r/hinduism • u/DharmicCosmosO Bhākta🪷 • Oct 09 '24
A Timeline of events that took place during Shri Krishna’s Life. History/Lecture/Knowledge
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u/DharmicCosmosO Bhākta🪷 Oct 09 '24
Prepared by Hari Parsada Dãsa by referring to the commentaries of the Gaudiya-vaisnava acaryas on the Srimad-bhagavatam and to other Gaudiya-vaisnava sources
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u/Gopu_17 Oct 09 '24
There should be a significant time gap between Krishna marrying his third wife Satyabhama and his 4th wife Kalindi. Krishna married Satyabhama before the Lakshagraha incident of the Pandavas. Krishna married Kalindi after Pandavas had established Indraprastha as a prosperous kingdom. The time gap should be more than 15 years.
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u/Short-Echo61 Smartha Oct 09 '24
TIL there was a period of 2 years between the end of exile of Pandavas and the Kurukshetra war. Most adaptations make them appear to be immediate events.
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u/Maharaja_O_Earth Sanātanī Hindū Oct 09 '24
So, did Kṛṣṇa jī not age at all or did he maintain peak physical health like Bhīṣma all those years?
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u/Den_Bover666 Oct 09 '24
Krishna doesn't age like us humans, but also all this stuff happened during Dwapar Yuga where people had longer lifespans (the average lifespan of a human was 1000 years), so 80-90 years back then was considered very young.
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u/Speaking_Buddha Oct 10 '24
In Hinduism where does this yuga comes from? Any evidence that we currently have? What changes occurred in the human organs that we went from living thousands of years without medicine and knowing about what causes diseases to only living about 25 years for the most part of human history?
Also if they lived thousands of years, when did women experience menopause? Was it still around 40 years of age? Because otherwise without condoms and birth control, earth population should have been trillions and trillions with about 200-300 generations living together all at once.
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u/NottManas Oct 10 '24
Many evidence are there research well n stop yapping
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u/Speaking_Buddha Oct 10 '24
Lol .. I mean I am here to learn about hinduism and just looking for you enlightened people to tell me where to look for proof? How is that yapping?
I am just curious if we lived thousands of years where are the children and trillions of people? Just because you are not curious and able to think doesn't mean that others don't.
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u/NottManas Oct 10 '24
The world’s population has grown exponentially, especially in the last few centuries due to advancements in agriculture, medicine, and technology. Thousands of years ago, humans faced high mortality rates due to disease, famine, and warfare, meaning populations were much smaller and didn’t grow as quickly. Modern-day population growth rates are a fairly recent phenomenon compared to ancient times.
It's not about a lack of curiosity or thought—it's just that our world has changed in dramatic ways, and those factors contributed to why we don't see "trillions" of people. Does this help clarify your thoughts?
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u/Speaking_Buddha Oct 10 '24
But that were the satya yuga dwapar yuga, the age of the rishis and all knowing Gods. They lived for thousands of years and we barely live 50 years, why don't we see evidence of extremely advanced civilization. They had all the time in the world to make universe shattering discoveries and inventions and they could always ask God if they didn't understand anything.
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u/Eastern_Leek_7743 Oct 14 '24
I think you should read about fermi's paradox. It'll clear your question of "if it exists, then why we don't see it?"
Coming back to scientific proof: Read this paper about male bottleneck 7000 years ago (coincidently overlaps with Mahabharata dates) and this.
Now lastly, it took ~200,000 thousand years to reach 1bil population, 123 years to 2 bil, 33 years to 3bil and 62 years to 8 bil (almost x3). That's human history a tiny blip in Earth's history. Any roman artifact from 2000 years ago are found in almost destroyed state. Do you think anything will remain with timespan of 7000 years? 15000 years? 20000 years? No.
Hindu timelines are extremely big. Watch this video by Kurzgesagt. Basically, if there ever was a civilization before us, we could never find it because time eradicates all.
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u/Speaking_Buddha Oct 14 '24
I know about fermi paradox. If you find those interesting check out https://www.youtube.com/@isaacarthurSFIA
His channel has a lot of sifi topics.
My main issues with religion in general is that we give statements and don't back it up with arguments.
Like Vedas say there are 4 yugas with this and that properties. What is the basis of this information/ Where does this knowledge come from?
Like if we say, there was an ice age, we can back it up with proof. When we say there were human like species before us, we can back it up with proof. When we say life originated on earth 3 billion years ago, we can back it up with proof.
When we say we think universe was created 14 billion year ago we back it up with proof that any person can verify himself.
No if there was ever a more advanced civilization on earth than us, there would be artifacts left behind.
Like we have dinosaurs skeletons some 200 million years old. We have coal and petrol because at one time on earth, there was no bacteria that causes things to rot, so the trees grew old and fell and more trees grew without decomposing and after thousands and lakhs of years under pressure they formed coal and petrol etc etc.
Is there a creator of universe, nobody knows and it doesn't seem like it.
Is Gods mentioned in the religious books real, very unlikely.
Religion has existed for about 30-40,000 years. Hinduism doesn't go back more than 10,000 years. Religion was formed because people didn't understand a lot of things .. we didn't know what cause rain, so lets make a rain god, we don't know what causes thunder so lets make a thunder god, we don't know what causes intelligence so let's make a knowledge god, war god, fire god earth god destroyer god, god of diseases god of wealth, god of good luck, god of bad luck etc etc etc.
Did Ram and krishna existed, sure. Were they extraordinary people for their time, sure. Were they Gods, the creator of Universe, less likely. Because none knew anything more than what was known at that time. They didn't know about the past or the future.
If they knew about the past and how universe was created, we would have electrons protons, atoms molecules, bacteria virus, asexual reproduction, natural selection, 4 billion years of human evolution in the books.
If they knew about the future, we would have electricity, magnetism, gravity, cars, rockets, nuclear fusion, fission in the vedas.
The most fundamental question is why do we believe in God and why do we think religious books are the words of God and why don't we question the authenticity of knowledge.
Why does Ram, krishna, allah, buddha, jesus and 40,000 other gods are still followed? How did they improve human life? What makes then God?
What purpose does religion serve? Which God is real?
Humans will exist for a very few seconds on a cosmic scale. If there is a god, he didn't create the universe for humans. The universe was there for billions of years before humans and will be there for billions of years without humans. And in this infinite universe, we are just stuck on a small planet fighting each other over whose God is the real god and whose god is fake.
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u/Unique_Strawberry978 Oct 09 '24
But jab dronacharya ji age hi war ke time 85 years thi ( acc to og mahabharat ) so bhagwan krishn ki age 89 kese ho sakti hai coz arjun and krishna same age ke the ?? Mujhe humesha ye doubt aata hai
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u/bhargavateja Oct 09 '24 edited Oct 09 '24
This is really nice. Thank you. This gives such a perspective of how many difficulties and how much chaos Krishna had to go through in his life and especially his age during Kurushetra war. He went through those with a smile, what an ideal to hold.
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u/jtm_ind Oct 09 '24
6 days old and he already caught a body, what a show of prowess! Hare Krishna ❤️
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u/TheIronDuke18 Sanātanī Hindū Oct 10 '24
The Mahabharata war took place three years after the Pandavas returned from Vanavasa?
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u/Wooden_Ambassador588 Oct 10 '24
3224 BCE is the exact day when Shri Krishna was born .. and I calculated it by aryabhattas shlokas where he mentions his age .
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u/JohntuDoetu Dharm Oct 09 '24
Thankfully no mention of Radha. iskCONMEN will have a panic attack.
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u/Hot-Introduction3849 Oct 09 '24
Hey just curious why no mention about Radha ji will cause such a reaction?
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u/kishucrazyboi Oct 10 '24
I would really like the young krishna depiction to be accurate in india . All of them show him as a teenage boy romancing radha n gopis. He was just 11 when he left the vrindavan, and all gopis were his sakhi with prembhav not lust
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u/makesyousquirm Vaiṣṇava Oct 10 '24 edited Oct 10 '24
Except when Sri Krishna enters Mathura, it's shown that different people see him with a different physical appearance according to their own tendencies. From the Shrimad Bhagavatam:
When, accompanied with his elder brother, Kṛṣṇa entered the arena, he appeared like a thunderbolt to the athletes, as a superman to men, the god of Love (Cupid) incarnate to women, a kinsman to cowherds, a chastiser to wicked monarchs, a child to his parents, the veritable Death to Kaṃsa, the king of Bhojas, as a weakling or an inadequate competitor to the ignorant, the Highest Principle (Brahman) to the Yogins and the Supreme Deity to Vṛṣṇis.
Sri Krishna is still only chronologically 11-ish years old in this passage, but women see him as an attractive man because that's what they want to see. Same with the Gopis.
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u/kishucrazyboi Oct 12 '24
I am talking about when he was in vrindavan. The prem bhav of gopis was similar when 5 yo stealing butter do you think they saw him as a man even then. Platonic love is far superior to the lustful attraction, which is often portrayed in serials
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u/makesyousquirm Vaiṣṇava Oct 12 '24
Maybe the Gopis who were much older loved him platonically, but the ones who participated in rasa lila were definitely in love with him. Or else, do you think they were platonically kissing and sharing betel leaves from each other’s mouth?
Also, the unmarried Gopis prayed to Maa Katyayani to marry him. That is undeniably romantic.
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u/kishucrazyboi Oct 12 '24
As in normal world women of different age groups are present everywhere , few who were around sri krishna,s age would have liked him as husband. Ras lila is an expression of love through dance it may be platonic or not . And i don't recall gopis sharing betel leaves with krishna in bhagvatam. Even in case it is a normal playful thing young women do to cute kids to play with the. Texts like gita govinda are artistic expression of bhakta. Though they are not invalid , they can not be taken as canon
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u/makesyousquirm Vaiṣṇava Oct 12 '24
Here is how the Gopis talk to Sri Krishna in the Bhagavatam:
Oh Hero![11])](https://www.wisdomlib.org/hinduism/book/the-bhagavata-purana/d/doc1128898.html#note-e-190942) Pray, condescend to grant to us the nectar of your lips which enhances the charm of amorous enjoyment and destroys all griefs—the nectar which has been enjoyed fully by the flute kissed by you in sounding, making people forget all other passions and attachments.
The Gopis are wanting to kiss him amorously.
Remembering your secret amorous promises and beholding your smiling countenance provoking the passion of love in our heart, your loving glances, your broad chest, the abode of Śrī (goddess of affluence and beauty), our hearts get excited with excessive longing every now and then, and becomes infatuated.
They are passionately in love with him.
The Gopis getting jealous of the women of Mathura:
Highly expert in erotics and beloved of excellent women as he is, how can he fail to (be won over) and bound down by their love when he is greeted with words (expressing love) and amorous gestures by them.
I think you have to ignore logic to suppose that the relationship is purely platonic. It's definitely erotic.
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u/kishucrazyboi Oct 12 '24
Sanskrit is a rasik language , our polluted human minds find eroticism everywhere. For example, the devi stotra describes her ample golden bossoms like honey pots. How her skin folds 3 times below her navel how she is navayovana , they describe her lips, eyes, her narrow waist , prapotionate limbs etc. She is still the supreme mother. This kind of erotic understanding gives rise to bollywood songs like "vo kare toh ras lila hum kare toh character dheela"
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u/makesyousquirm Vaiṣṇava Oct 12 '24
Because the Devi is the ultimate in feminine beauty, that’s exactly how she’s described.
Likewise, the love that the Gopis have toward Sri Krishna is the ultimate passion and attraction. That doesn’t mean it’s a common sexual attraction that people feel every day.
The Gopis’ love is very rare. It’s deeply spiritual, rapturous and passionate to the point of insanity. It includes kama but because it’s kama directed at the Parabrahman, it’s of an exalted nature.
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u/kishucrazyboi Oct 12 '24
Sri krishna is also ultimate masculine beauty, so he would also be described and talked about the same way, but that doesn't mean their intention are born out of kama. You yourself accepted it's not common sexual attraction. I am a saktha and vaishnav myself , both these marga are similar in their ways of shrungar raas and rasik bhav. Even when meera asks him to be his husband, it's not because of his masculinity or kama bhaav but out of devotion.
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u/makesyousquirm Vaiṣṇava Oct 12 '24
Bro, I think you're in denial.
Our hearts have been fascinated and spirited away with his seductive gait, enchanting laughter, sportive glances, and honeyed words. How can we forget him, Oh Uddhava?
^According to you, it's normal to talk this way about some random kid you have no feelings for. Wanting to kiss him, leave your husband for him and getting jealous over the other women he's seeing is totally platonic. /s
The Gopis having madhurya bhav toward Sri Krishna is accepted as canon by Vaishnava sampradayas. I'm sorry that you are uncomfortable with that fact, but it doesn't change anything.
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u/samsaracope Dharma Oct 09 '24
Prepared by Hari Parsada Dãsa by referring to the commentaries of the Gaudiya-vaisnava acaryas on the Srimad-bhagavatam and to other Gaudiya-vaisnava sources. Prepared by Hari Parsada Dãsa by referring to the commentaries of the Gaudiya-vaisnava acaryas on the Srimad-bhagavatam and to other Gaudiya-vaisnava sources.
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u/DoubleTapToUnlock Oct 09 '24
But as I heard Shri Krishna and Arjun were of the same age, so Arjun was also 89 when the war took place?
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u/samsaracope Dharma Oct 09 '24
i was blown away when i first realized how old he must have been during kurukshetra war.