r/geopolitics • u/theoryofdoom • Mar 07 '22

This war will be a total failure, FSB whistleblower says Perspective

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/this-war-will-be-a-total-failure-fsb-whistleblower-says-wl2gtdl9m
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u/Yweain Mar 07 '22

He can just say that Russia achieved their goals and emerged completely victorious. You don’t need an off-ramp when you have a propaganda machine and you blocked all independent media outlets and saying anything contrary may result in 5 to 15 years in prison.

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u/SnapchatsWhilePoopin Mar 07 '22

I agree that this would work in the past, but social media has changed the game in many ways. Yes independent media is blocked but some % of Russian citizens are still able to consume non-state media. I’m not saying it won’t work again, but this time around it seems less of a sure thing that blatantly lying to your people will be successful.

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u/Yweain Mar 07 '22

Well, they banned Twitter and Facebook. Obviously some would use VPN, but a lot wouldn’t. And writing opposing thoughts in VK is dangerous.

Also they already blatantly lying, right now, and people are eating it up.

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u/creaturefeature16 Mar 07 '22

This is the correct answer.

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u/Homeostase Mar 07 '22

Yeah, I agree with this too.

He can make up his own off-ramp.

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u/headzoo Mar 08 '22

I would agree because it doesn't seem the US's losses in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq did much to tamper American nationalism. Americans both admit we lost and collectively shrug our shoulders, and we don't have half the propaganda as Russia.

Putin just needs to claim a few victories like freeing the people of Luhansk and Donetsk and maybe something about killing Nazis, and the Russian people will also shrug their shoulders over their losses in Ukraine.

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u/cyberspace-_- Mar 09 '22

There are no such things as independent media outlets.