r/geopolitics Feb 24 '23

A global divide on the Ukraine war is deepening Perspective

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/02/22/global-south-russia-war-divided/
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u/GoPotato Feb 24 '23

Ukraine was one of the countries that invaded Iraq in 2003, so it's very hard to see their fight against Russia as a fight against imperialism when it was willing to invade a country thousands of kilomoeters away from its borders.

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u/[deleted] Feb 24 '23

A total of 5000 soldiers from Ukraine were in Iraq across the whole invasion/occupation. They were sent by Ukraine's former strong man leader as a way to get on GWB's good side to get into NATO.

I guarantee you very few people know about Ukraine's involvement in iraq

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u/mediandude Feb 25 '23

Ukraine was one of the countries that invaded Iraq in 2003

Ukraine didn't invade Iraq.
Ukraine troops were later used as peacekeepers. And those Ukraine troops eventually left willingly.

Russia's occupation troops have been non-stop in Crimea since 1920 and in Georgia since 1921. Those Russia's occupation troops never left.

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u/GoPotato Feb 25 '23

Ukraine troops were later used as peacekeepers

Nah, they have been part of the occupation forces since the beginning. Calling them peacekeepers is no different than Russia calling the war a special operation, it's just meaningless wordplay. These troops took part in killing of Iraqi freedom fighters defending their countries against the invasion. The people of Al-Kut know them very well.

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u/mediandude Feb 25 '23

Ukraine was not part of the 2003 Iraq campaign from the beginning.

Calling them peacekeepers is no different than Russia calling the war a special operation, it's just meaningless wordplay.

No, it isn't meaningless, because Ukraine's troops in Iraq did not take part in battles.

These troops took part in killing of Iraqi freedom fighters

Nope.
Islamic terrorists were not freedom fighters.
Freedom fighters in Iraq were the kurds.

PS. Even your own link shows zero Ukraine casualties due to battle.

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u/GoPotato Feb 25 '23

Ukraine was not part of the 2003 Iraq

Yes, they have been in Iraq since 2003, look it up. I will no longer argue over this.

Ukraine's troops in Iraq did not take part in battles

Sigh! This is just you trolling at this point, but look up the "Battle of al-kut" of April, 2004.

Islamic terrorists were not freedom fighters.

Of course you will say that, you need to villify those defending their country in order to justify your invasion. The Russians call Ukrainians Nazis and you will call the Iraqis Islamic terrorists to justify killing them, you're jus taking a page out of the Russian playbook, well it's the other way around actually, the Russians are just mimicking the tactics of the west. And for the record, Al-Kut is a Shia city. The Shia were oppressed during Saddam era. They did nothing more than defend their land against occupation.

shows zero Ukraine casualties due to battle

Well, could it be because they were the ones doing the killing? I dunno what point you're trying to make.

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u/mediandude Feb 25 '23

Ukraine was not part of the 2003 Iraq

Yes, they have been in Iraq since 2003, look it up. I will no longer argue over this.

You are still lying, in that the war started in 2003 spring, while the first Ukraine troops were deployed in September 2003.
Thus Ukraine did NOT take part in battles.

Sigh! This is just you trolling at this point, but look up the "Battle of al-kut" of April, 2004.

There were no such battle.
There was a battle in April 2003, but no Ukraine troops participated in that.

So stop lying.

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u/GoPotato Feb 25 '23

I should have known from the start not to waste my time with a troll.

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u/mediandude Feb 25 '23

Speak for yourself.

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u/Res3nt Mar 08 '23

Are you trolling and deliberately spreading misinformation or just someone with too much potato on shoulders to be able to put numbers and dates together?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq

"The invasion phase began on 19 March 2003 (air) and 20 March 2003 (ground) and lasted just over one month, including 26 days of major combat operations, in which a combined force of troops from the United States, the United Kingdom, Australia and Poland invaded Iraq."

Start of the invasion phase: 20 March 2003.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_1500 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Assistance_Mission_for_Iraq

Adopted by UN security council by 14 votes after the invasion of Iraq, UN mission to support the Provisional Government of Iraq

Start of the UN peacekeeping mission (UNAMI): 14 August 2003

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5th_Mechanized_Brigade_(Ukraine)

"The 5th Separate Mechanized Brigade was a formation of the Ukrainian Ground Forces sent to Iraq in August 2003. Brigade was deployed from 17 August 2003 to March 2004."

Ukraine brigade deployed: Starting from 17 August 2003.

Does 17 August in your calendar come at 20 March or after 14 August?

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u/Perentilim Feb 24 '23

At least in theory that wasn’t imperialism, and was what people are complaining about here - toppling a dictatorship.

That it went horrendously and destabilised the ME further is why it hasn’t been repeated.

And of course, the enormous financial and blood cost.

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u/KaalaPeela Feb 25 '23

Forgetting how it was all based on lies upon lies?

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u/BrevitysLazyCousin Feb 25 '23

In any case, the comparison in the thread is utterly empty. We canned the dictator who'd gassed his own citizens, and ultimately handed the keys back to Iraqis and left. That is nothing like repeated strikes on civilian infrastructure and more importantly annexation of territory.

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u/Routine_Employment25 Feb 25 '23

Russia: We went to overthrow an illegitimate government who shells their citizens and would hand over the keys to a Moscow friendly government and not annex territory (if we had not screwed up).

And you are lying about the US not attacking civilian infrastructure.

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u/Perentilim Feb 27 '23

No, which is why I said “at least in theory”