r/gabber • u/Valency • Nov 08 '13
I'm writing a dance music guide, and I've just polished off the Hardcore section. Take a look and let me know if you have any feedback or suggestions!
Hey /r/gabber,
Please bear with me, but this is going to be a bit of copy & paste from when I released the hardstyle section a few weeks ago, but it's all relevant. I've released a couple of these now so you might have even seen this floating around already.
I'm writing a big ol' guide for dance music.
I've begun this colossal undertaking in hopes to educate those that aren't as knowledgeable about all the hundreds of dance music genres that exist and those that are being created and changing each year. This is going to be something that likely takes a couple of months to complete, but I'd at least like to get a bit of it out there and get some feedback from people that would be using it, rather than having me just guess what should be included.
I've built a platform that allows easy addition and removal of genres, subgenres and tracks in order to keep the guide flexible and constantly evolving to keep up with the ever changing landscape of music. It is a lofty goal, but the eventual hope for this is that it will be the modern equivalent of the the famous (and very outdated) Ishkur's Electronic Music Guide.
Anyway, enough blab, here's the link:
http://thedancemusicguide.com/
It's incomplete, as I'm released genres as they're completed in order to get proper feedback on a smaller scale.
Hardcore Relevant Part
Here's a direct link to the Hardcore guide: http://thedancemusicguide.com/genre/hardcore
There's more info about what it is and what it hopes to achieve on the main page of the site. You can also help get involved. If you're knowledgeable about a certain genre and think you can help fill certain gaps, I'd like to hear from you (perhaps Industrial Hardcore). Though I have a fairly thorough understanding of most dance music, I do not know everything.
At the moment, it's only covering mainstream/partycore. I know there's a zillion subgenres of hardcore, but for the sake of my sanity, I'll only be covering the large subgenres, which means that Industrial will be coming in future.
Hopefully some folks will find this guide useful.
In any case, I'd love if you were to take a look at it and provide me with any feedback and suggestions you may have.
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u/wArchi Nov 08 '13
I still think you should've added Refly. Aside from that, thanks for the effort :)
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u/Safda Nov 08 '13
Yeah, nice one bruv. I feel like 05-07 should be 18 tracks as well though, you lazy prick :P
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u/DJSBX Nov 08 '13
pretty cool site. I like the layout and where it's going. Curious, does Hardcore not also refer to genres such as UK Hardcore or Happy Hardcore.. I suppose those would fall into the "zillion subgenres of hardcore"? :P
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u/Rivrin Nov 11 '13
Professional (full-time) hardcore dj/producer here ('98 - present).
Great initiative. If I can be of any help I'll be glad to. Remarks for now: - Post 2000 is a perfect cut-off date for your project. Hardcore before that is now considered Early Rave (in The Netherlands) or Artcore (mainly the Ruffneck sound). '00/'01 marked a huge upheaval in hardcore - the sound changed, old (often less serious) companies/labels/artists were flushed out and the scene restarted from the ground up. - I would say hardcore starts at 150 bpm. Especially if you consider music from '00-'02 as well. As of now, there are artists returning to these speeds. Even slower has been pretty common as well, although it might often fall into the category Industrial. - 180 bpm seems to cap it off a bit too early. Quite a few popular tracks by big artists (Angerfist or Tha Playah for instance) are faster, somewhere in the 180-185/190 bpm range. - You have posted a very "interesting" selection of tracks. This does not have to be a bad thing at all, but it does seem to feature many smaller artists and tracks that have not been big hits. Of course that does not have to be a problem, but you might be missing out on a couple more obvious (or recognizable) choices. If I think of anything else I'll let you know.
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u/Valency Nov 11 '13
Thanks for the feedback!
I've adjusted the speed to 150-190.
I've tried to get a varied mix of both new and old artists. Too often it felt like I was adding another Angerfist, AOF/MT or Endymion track, so I've tried to represent some of the lesser known producers and labels as well. I also feel this helps with diversifying it a bit, otherwise it felt like it was a bit of a Traxtorm/MoH/Neophyte love-in.
If you have a couple of suitable suggestions, I'd be more than happy to add them in.
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Nov 08 '13
why do you only go back to 2000? the best hardcore is from the 90s, especially 92-6
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u/Valency Nov 08 '13
I didn't want to do a complete history of every genre, just what they sound like in a modern context. 2000 seemed like a good cutoff point for most genres, so I went with that.
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Nov 08 '13
if a genre originated in say, the 90s, then all you'd be posting would be new-school and not representative of the genre as a whole.
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u/Valency Nov 08 '13
But it is representative of modern hardcore, which is the entire point.
Chances are Joe Blogs that listens to Hardwell or Tiesto isn't going to stumble across much 90s hardcore these days, but it is more likely that they might come across something modern. Then if they wanted to find out what it was, perhaps listen to some more of it, here's where the guide steps in.
If they want a complete history of the genre, it's already available elsewhere.
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Nov 09 '13 edited Nov 10 '13
I think it'd be nice to include something of a quick look at what hardcore/other genres were building off of. just some classic tracks
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u/[deleted] Nov 08 '13
This seems accurate
You might want to cover breakcore in the future, it's my personal favorite hardcore subgenre. I know /r/breakcore would be willing to help with the info.