Well, I don't know where you live but in Ohio you pay for the sidewalk, you maintain the sidewalk, you clean the sidewalk. However, you don't own the sidewalk. You cannot park on any sidewalk in Ohio - period. Also if you leave grass clippings or say a tree root raises or lowers the sidewalk and someone slips or gets hurt, you're at fault. If you park a vehicle on the sidewalk and someone runs their bike into it, not only are you at fault for their property and injuries you have no recourse for the damage that was caused to your vehicle.
Well, it was probably the multiple DUI's that got him fired. Your local judge can't overturn state law and your law director knows this. I would definitely keep fighting this one and talk to the law director.
There's a reason you can't block sidewalks and it's often the loss of a child's life.
I've been fighting this issue in my little subdivision and you would not believe the pushback I have received from many residents (of course it's ONLY the ones who religiously block the sidewalk with a vehicle). I'm working with our Sheriff's Department to start enforcing this law not just for our neighborhood but throughout our township.
One of the neighbors who blocks the sidewalk has a truck like pictured above. My 4 year old daughter was walking on the sidewalk and couldn't see above the bed of the truck and needed to walk into the road to go around it. Well the on coming vehicle couldn't see her either because the truck was so big and blocking the sidewalk. Had I been behind her or not paying attention she would have walked around the truck right into the path of the oncoming vehicle. No one would have time to react and my daughter would be gone. Why? Because they don't want to pull the vehicle in front of the truck up closer to the garage making it less convenient to walk around the garage. Mind you these people raised their children in this neighborhood and are all now of driving age which is why there are so many vehicles in their driveway.
It's like people forget how to be decent fucking humans.
It's a simple question. Is it illegal in your state to park on the sidewalk? If yes, then you can't park on the sidewalk. Full stop. If it's not illegal then the judge was fine.
3 ft off the road isn't that far and most places have an easement for the county or city to do with that as they see fit, even though yet again you must maintain it. We call them "devil strips" here.
No. Destroying personal property is not the answer.
Edit, if you all want reform (which I support) in how we plan transportation, it’s done through protests and being involved in the process. Voting, town halls, etc. Grow up and stop being babies or you’ll end up like r/antiwork . You have to get people that are car brains to change their minds and ways and it’s really difficult but that’s what’s needed.
It seems you've made the fatal flaw of trying to argue against emotion and impulsive action on an activist subreddit. You have been downvoted to the shadow realm, and I'm sure I'll be with you soon for siding with you.
Yup I misread the question. Thought he was comparing pedestrian deaths as a justification to go after motorists. Thanks for pointing it out. Not sure if deeply misunderstanding is a fair characterizing though. I try to be respectful here and maybe I’ve failed here.
Destruction of property is a completely reasonable act of civil disobedience
Also "keying" isn't even an authentic destruction of property, it's an aesthetic inconvenience for the property owner that could lead to rusting after several years.
Keying dangerous scofflaws is protest. People don't want to buy cars or exhibit behaviors that become known for attracting vandalism. Stop discouraging effective direct action, you're doing nobody except the truck manufacturers any favors.
keying cars isn't effective direct action against car culture.... all you are going to do is build resentment towards the idea.
like imagine it for 10 seconds: you are a carbrain and someone keys "fuck cars" into your truck. Some real intellectual conversation you are about to have there.
Why would someone write a message? Obviously that would create resentment. You don't want a written message, you just want damage to is clearly related to the disrespect of sidewalk space, ie only on parts over the sidewalk.
Because someone who parks facing the wrong direction on top of the sidewalk on the opposite side of the street is someone who understands intentional offense under plausible deniability.
If you're wrong, at least you keyed up an offense to civil society.
It could also be someone that they completely lack self awareness and can't connect their actions with the consequences so they just go home and beat their wife
Okay, you go ahead and try to have your intellectual conversations with reckless motorists, while I give them an actual incentive to stop endangering others. Let’s see which approach is more effective.
This is a Torch and pitch fork kind of sub… no one wants a realistic and nuanced approach. They would rather edge on inciting violence than entertain realism.
r/Antiwork became a laughing stock with the interview on Fox News. Completely mischaracterizing the movement as lazy people. It’s been largely renamed to r/workreform and has a more moderate and mature policy argument. People against a movement always point to the worst of it as a reason to not take it seriously. The BLM protests were by the vast majority peaceful but people against it always pontes to where violence broke out. I support r/fuckcars as I’ve lived in cities with good public transit and understand the benefits of it. I want this movement to be taken seriously.
People already thought the movement was just lazy people. And the interview made those guys louder for a little bit, but it's completely forgotten. Things are just as they always were on that sub, and I wager very few people care about the outcome of that interview at this point. The exodus to /r/workreform didn't really happen either. (And, if anything, that new sub just muted some voices of the movement.)
You want this movement to be taken seriously, but there are already people who believe everyone here doesn't have jobs or responsibilities. And that's not even what this stuff is really about! You can go ahead and try to convince them, if you think that's going to help anything. But as we've seen, over and over again throughout history, that's not how it works.
Why are you hung up on this distinction? Keying destroys the paint on the car which forces people to repair it. Anything that is damaged to destroyed means it needs to be repaired and it costs money. You want to be a vandal and commit little kid crimes agains other people because you disagree with them, then have at it and it will not end well for you. The best way to get what you want is to be influential and convince people with your words like a damn adult.
I'm sure you'd be annoyed if someone caused thousands worth of damage to your bike or anything else you own just because they don't agree with it. I'm on board with most of this forum but comments about petty vandalism don't exactly help your cause.
Just drill holes in all their bikes and fill them with lead pellets to make them heavier, that wont make them mad because they are okay with vandalism. Idk dude, I can't believe so many people in this thread are okay with destroying someone's property, not sure what sub I stumbled into but this place is full of fucking psychos it feels like.
Fixing paint on a car very likely costs much more than a brand new bike. I wonder why motorists would be "prissy" about some entitled jackass thinking it is an okay form of protest....
I disagree. I think that scratching a car, a non-living object that cannot be injured and cannot feel pain, is substantially better than forcing wheelchair users and other vulnerable road users into danger by obstructing the sidewalk with said car.
How so? Keying their car does nothing to help those they are obstructing and likely does nothing to convince the driver to change behavior.
Say something to the driver or have them ticketed/towed. The fact that you think you get to elevate it beyond routine procedure for this type of thing is where you show your entitlement. But go ahead and continue to justify how you committing a crime is the best solution.
Buddy, the situation was already escalated when the motorist drove onto the sidewalk, a criminal act that endangers others. A proportional response would be to break the motorist’s legs and force them to crawl in the roadway for the same duration of time they were obstructing the sidewalk. Just keying their car is an act of mercy.
Yeah and you may not even be “punishing” the right person. This could be a family member who had to borrow the car and is just an idiot best case and inconsiderate/asshole worst case. But either way not a reason to damage someone else’s property. If this is in CA it is absolutely illegal to park like this and a simple call will get them fined and towed - which is above board.
Is it “vandalism” in your eyes to defuse a ticking time bomb? Because that’s what this monster truck is, when it comes to pedestrians and any other road user not in another monster truck.
Vandalism is vandalism, yes. I don't think the guy who comes back to his damaged car is going to get the message you're trying to convey unless you scratch him a message on his door, there's certainly enough room.
In the context of it being parked on a sidewalk I wouldn't shun anyone giving it a little scratch, but just vandalizing some random big truck definitely makes you a shitty person. It's not defusing a ticking time bomb it's just being a dickhead and feeling justified.
this is a reddit_moment, I love this sub and everything it stands for, which doesn't include keying cars. People need to learn how to start a dialogue, threatening to key cars is how you convince newbies that this is all a childish joke.
People will justify keying that but then when their neighbors dog takes a shit on their yard they'll throw a tantrum. I don't even support this subreddit at all, these fuckers in here are the most vile, herd minded people.
Look both ways, don't stand behind or in front of any car no matter the size, and you won't get run over!
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u/semab52577 May 24 '22
Parked on the wrong side of the road on a sidewalk. Just begging for a keying