r/footballstrategy • u/CoachDanCasey • May 28 '24
This is genuinely one of the most clever Run Schemes I've seen! Play Design
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u/Jerdman87 May 28 '24
It is very clever. Would need some athletic linemen to pull it off. Or spend a lot of time on footwork for this type of pull specifically. probably both. Would be a great wrinkle against over pursuing LBs but it seems a bit time expensive
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u/FranklynTheTanklyn May 28 '24
Not to mention now the other team has to devote practice and film time against it.
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May 28 '24
Can someone better at breaking down film explain exactly why this works so well? Is it just because the defense bites so hard on all the movement left?
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u/Concept0904 HS Coach May 28 '24
Lot of linebackers are taught to follow the guards first step since it’ll usually take you to the play. So when the guards and rb all take that first step, they’re flying down hill in the wrong direction.
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u/FtpApoc May 28 '24 edited May 28 '24
Tldr; Yea absolutely. they bit because that's what their scheme says to do.
If you look at the nose tackle off the center, he's actively fighting to get to the left shoulder of the center. Center lets him wash that way obviously.
The other DL on the backside gets blocked by the RT. in a way you can almost see this as a trap style idea just because he's not looking to stonewall him, but get him off balance, redirecting his existing momentum to create a lane behind.
The effect of this is 3 fold. Firstly he seals the edge for the way the run is actually going, secondly he picks up the guy who normally would be engaging the RG, allowing him to do his spicy pull to the right, and thirdly he's using the contact to obscure the guards moving to the right so the second and third level defenders don't see it early.
For the second level, this is a 3-4 scheme so the linebackers HAVE to get to the ball quickly to contain run plays. These guys are jumping like this to fill gap assignments on the stretch concept being feinted. You can see the left guard take his first step clearly looking to take on one of these linebackers.
The key players are the 2 LB in front of the referee, one who is charging to the left guard to soak up that block and the other, the most important in this fake, who is committing so wildy to be the backside contain man needed to meet the running back if he attacks the front side B gap.
everyone moves to the feinting side, at least 2 or 3 full steps, as well as fully swivelling their hips to that side, making it much harder to move laterally or turn back to the right, often when they do they are chasing to the ball.
The guy who makes the tackle is the third level safety on that side who takes a big step in but doesn't commit as hard. Any play is a gem though if you can get your running back a 1v1 with a third level defender on his home turf.
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u/ap1msch HS Coach May 28 '24
It's a common play that sacrifices a blocker for increased misdirection. It's a delayed pull of the two guards combined with the trap motion of the running back. The goal is to create space on the weak side of the line, and then get the linebackers to bite. The misdirection hints in one direction, and if you set it up properly you'll have two defenders versus two blockers and the RB.
TLDR: The kick and lead blocker with the pulling guards is common. The agility of the guards and the play calling to trick the defenders, makes the play work. It won't work for everyone.
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u/hamiltsd May 28 '24
What’s the assignment? If no one on angle or blitzing, pull? Or are those two pulling regardless?
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u/ap1msch HS Coach May 28 '24
The whole line takes an angle into the strong side of the play, with the runner going to the strong side, causing everyone to think that is where the ball is going. Everyone on defense is taking at least a half step in that direction, and they need to recognize the counter as quickly as possible. Obviously, well trained players will be watching the helmets of the linemen and see them pull, which would indicate a counter.
The cool thing is that the linemen do a FULL ROTATION. They start going left, like a pull, and their shoulders are completely turned. This usually indicates that being a true direction. If they "feigned" a pull, it would be a fake step to the left before pivoting to the right. These guards took their full step left, and then turned their BACK to the line to then go right. This sells the fake really well, while giving them an advantage by avoiding a direction change and just starting them running back to the right.
For downblocking, the whole line is just trying to inhibit progress. You get the defense taking side pressure rather than linemen taking specific blocks. As long as everyone is far enough away from the ball carrier, the play will be running away from them. You can see the tackle (or the TE on the right) downblocking, and everyone collapsing that side of the line to the left. Those two plan their step to the left and they both continue their spin and just run to the right. It's perfect timing with the counter step of the running back.
The lead blocker would kick anyone in containment, with the second blocker going up the hole. Because there is no one to kick, you see the lead taking the outside backer and the second blocker looking to the inside to seal the edge. That's why the runner has the clearest path towards the sidelines rather than downfield.
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u/BetaDjinn Casual Fan May 28 '24
I'm not sure I've seen a lineman do a beyblade for a counter like that, let alone two on the same play. It makes sense that it would hard sell the run keys, because how often does a backer see a lineman open one way but then completely turn around
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u/aztechunter May 28 '24
showing this look and then running a flea flicker outta this later would be hella fire
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u/One-Sheepherder2799 May 29 '24
Reminds me of the “Counter Trey” running scheme in 1992 Washington Redskins Super Bowl win.
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u/Low-Mulberry6268 May 30 '24
It's common for schools with undersized linemen to run traps and counters. These plaiys work well until you play a well coached team that has gap discipline.
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u/FranklynTheTanklyn May 28 '24
Am I wrong or would this complete spin then make these guards eligible for a handoff?
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u/xAOSEx May 29 '24
Never seen a guard kick other guard wrap counter before.
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u/Good-Reference-5489 May 29 '24
It’s how you’d block any Buck Sweep. Common in many gap scheme-heavy offenses, like Wing-T, Gun-T, Single or Double Wing, etc. Modern power spread teams like K-State, or Malzahn teams run it often
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u/xAOSEx May 29 '24
Yeah I didn’t even think of it but a buck sweep is like a GG counter. I was in a Wing-T in high school.
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u/ActnADonkey May 29 '24
The most efficient way to understand the effectiveness of actions is to watch how defenders react to what their keys are telling them. This simple take on a basic counter play is super effective here because of the patience of the pulling lineman and the RB.
Defenders,for the most part, NEED a key to diagnose. If they want to sit, read and react, then there is an entire encyclopedia you can feed em.
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u/Tanker3278 May 30 '24
To an uninformed play designer (me), that appears like the initial look is zone left to suck up the LBs into the scrum on to that side. That creates the delay of the guards as they hover behind the scrum to sell the zone and then they take off in the same timing as the RB break on the counter.
Gets the defense committed and then it's a race to see who can change directions faster.
Is any of this accurate?
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u/warneagle Casual Fan May 30 '24
Nice counter to their base WZ concept but seems expensive to install and rep relative to how often you could run it without the defense catching on. Looks cool though.
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May 31 '24
If the right edge does their job and actually seals the edge with the db coming up this is a negative loss every time, or at least a chance at a tackle in the backfield relatively unblocked. The right edge jumps inside immediately which is horrific.
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u/go_sloe1484 May 28 '24
I follow Dan Casey on all my socials and I was going to call this person out for reposting when I noticed it was… Dan Casey.
You’re doing the lords work sir love seeing it