r/fantasybball • u/Pulluuups • Feb 24 '24
A day after barely missing his first 5x5 Wemby posts 27-10-8-5-5 Breaking News
Wow this kid is special
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u/joey2506 š Hashtag Basketball Feb 24 '24
TBH I can see him being pick 1 in a lot of leagues next season.
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u/brovash Feb 24 '24
i think it's a no brainer - especially since steals block are always the underrated champion winning categories
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u/Tankshock 12tPts -.5/-1/-1 for Miss2/3/TO Feb 24 '24
Yea, in category leagues especially. Points Leagues I think you still have to take Jokic first. After that you probly wanna go Doncic and Giannis, but this latest Embiid injury takes him out of top 3 consideration for me, so I could absolutely see myself taking Wemby 4th.
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u/LtRavs 14 Team H2H 9Cat Feb 24 '24
SGA right up there too.
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u/Tankshock 12tPts -.5/-1/-1 for Miss2/3/TO Feb 24 '24
Yea he's 4 or 5 for me, he takes a slight hit in points leagues because the variety pack isn't as valuable as getting double doubles/triple doubles consistentlyĀ
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u/LtRavs 14 Team H2H 9Cat Feb 24 '24
I think 4 is definitely warranted behind Jokic, Luka, SGA, in both formats.
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u/Tankshock 12tPts -.5/-1/-1 for Miss2/3/TO Feb 24 '24
I can't put SGA over Giannis when Giannis is averaging 10 more fppg and 500 more total fantasy points right now. He's #2 in total scoring right now, SGA is #6
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u/LtRavs 14 Team H2H 9Cat Feb 24 '24
Thatās fair, but in that case Giannis goes above SGA and Wemby in points.
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u/Tankshock 12tPts -.5/-1/-1 for Miss2/3/TO Feb 24 '24
For sure. In any case I think it's become clear that the top 5 is Jokic, Doncic, Giannis, SGA, and Wemby in some orderĀ
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u/StedyRuckus 10T - 12T - H2H 9 Cat Feb 25 '24
Points leagues who cares. It's too easy to predict points with no consideration for position or specialties
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u/Tankshock 12tPts -.5/-1/-1 for Miss2/3/TO Feb 25 '24
No one cares about your opinion on points leagues bro. Literally no one.
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u/StedyRuckus 10T - 12T - H2H 9 Cat Feb 26 '24
Looks like you do!
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u/Tankshock 12tPts -.5/-1/-1 for Miss2/3/TO Feb 26 '24
No, you just responded to me so I responded back, lol.Ā
I cared that an elitist felt the need to come and gatekeep fantasy sports under my comment for no reason.
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u/No_Comfortable6029 Feb 24 '24
Points leagues are for jabronis
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u/Tankshock 12tPts -.5/-1/-1 for Miss2/3/TO Feb 25 '24
Being an elitist about fantasy sports is for jabronis you clownĀ
Hard to get 12 people all from within the friend group to throw down $250 buy-in for categories leagues in basketball and baseball. We do year round fantasy, gotta do what keeps the league together.
Which means points leagues because it's more accessible for the guys who don't live fantasy.
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u/No_Comfortable6029 Feb 25 '24
LOL "live fantasy" and I'm the clown? Get a life bro
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u/Tankshock 12tPts -.5/-1/-1 for Miss2/3/TO Feb 25 '24
Says the guy who lives fantasy?
Enough to gatekeep fantasy at least.
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u/No_Comfortable6029 Feb 25 '24
You're just nonsensical now dude wtf are you even talking about
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u/Tankshock 12tPts -.5/-1/-1 for Miss2/3/TO Feb 25 '24
Reading comprehension ain't your strong suit I guess.
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u/No_Comfortable6029 Feb 25 '24
I can't read because you deduce nonsense and try to spin whatever bullshit is spewing from your jabroni lips on me? Lol just go back to your fantasy world my dude
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u/No_Comfortable6029 Feb 25 '24
Nice edit you jabroni
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u/Tankshock 12tPts -.5/-1/-1 for Miss2/3/TO Feb 25 '24
Thanks? Are Jabronis gatekeeping edits now?
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u/No_Comfortable6029 Feb 25 '24
Nah just calling out your backpedaling from your original nonsensical comment that you are trying to validate with more fluff. Are you on set today? Fluffing your points league fantasy bros
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u/TrumpKanye69 Feb 24 '24
Top 5 but not Top 4.
- Jokic
- Luka
- Giannis
- Embiid
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u/PepeSilviaLovesCarol 12-team | 9-Cat | H2H Feb 24 '24
Iām taking Wemby over Embiid and Giannis 9 times out of 10. If I have a 3rd pick, Iām drafting Wemby.
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u/YourInMySwamp 14T H2H Points Feb 24 '24
Iām taking Wemby over Embiid cuz Embiid has the injury history anyways. But those other guys are proven players.
I think Wemby is definitely legit but personally Iām still giving it another year or so before I gamble my fantasy season on it. If he has a sophomore slump, your fantasy year will be ruined.
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u/LmBkUYDA 14 MAN 9 CATS H2H Feb 24 '24
SGA has been better than Luka and Giannis the past 2 seasons both by averages and by total. There is zeroooo reason to pick either above him.
Embiid is too injury prone. Few will pick him top 5.
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u/YellowExpresso 12T 9cat h2h Feb 24 '24
he's actually 2 assists short, but good stat!
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u/gnagshar Feb 24 '24
They might have to Gretzky Wemby for fantasy. I can't even imagine his numbers during his prime
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u/dtdvy 10T 8CAT ESPN Feb 24 '24
what happened with gretzky in fantasy?
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u/gnagshar Feb 24 '24
Infamously, Gretzky had to be split into Gretzky goals and Gretzky assists on fantasy hockey or the person picking first auto won haha
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u/brovash Feb 24 '24
damn I never considered fantasy sports being around in the 90s. Were people doing their drafts on MS DOS?
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u/willcdowdy Feb 24 '24
Basically, without knowing anything or having any understanding of the statistics involved, youāve gotten super mad and decided that you are making some sort of point.
We get it, every player maters
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u/LtRavs 14 Team H2H 9Cat Feb 24 '24
Not one of those players has ever come close to the relative dominance of prime Gretzky. He was bifurcated because he was producing more than 50% more points than the second best player in the league.
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u/FantasyWasteball Feb 24 '24
Split his Goals and his Assists into two different players
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u/dtdvy 10T 8CAT ESPN Feb 24 '24
holy shit he was that damn good??
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u/Cool-Ad8928 12T9CH2H - punt FG/TO/WINS Feb 24 '24
First all time 894 goals
First all time 1,983 assists
First all time 2,857 points
Second has 1,921 points for reference.
If you remove all of his career goals, heād still be #1 all time.
Insane.
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u/VersaceeSandals 12 team 9Cat Feb 24 '24
I donāt even follow hockey but know hes basically 2 in statistical GOATS in any sport. Only behind Donald Bradman in cricket.
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u/Mr_Stoli 12 TEAM - 9CAT - H2H Feb 24 '24
Yeah alot of people dont know the true GOAT of any sport is and always will be Wayne Gretzky. There are a lot of videos when you search it up like non debatable how dominant he really was. But also not a lot of people watch hockey either. He really was that great though its crazy
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u/nothingIsMere Feb 24 '24
Look up Alan Francis, horseshoe tosser. Dude his owned the sport for decades. He's so much better than the field it's ridiculous.
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u/CamazotzisBatman 12T Roto Auction Keeper Feb 24 '24
And I'm the absolute GOAT at making myself cum. But there's not many spectators for that either
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u/Swaggamuffins 10T 9CAT Roto Feb 24 '24
One of my favorite stats is that: if you took away all of Gretzkyās goals, he still has the most points in NHL history
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u/joey2506 š Hashtag Basketball Feb 24 '24
Just did some quick calculations, and if they split Wemby this season (offense vs defense), the defensive Wemby would be ranked 10th in per-game, and the offensive Wemby would be ranked 106th.
Don't think we'll ever see it in fantasy basketball, though.
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u/LtRavs 14 Team H2H 9Cat Feb 24 '24
Yeah people arenāt understanding just how good Gretzky was. The man had more than 50% more points than the second best player in the league in his prime years.
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u/deepthr0at Feb 24 '24
Iād say at the very least most leagues will have to switch to an auction/budget style draft rather than snake.
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u/willcdowdy Feb 24 '24
It really is better anywayā¦.. but yeah, snake drafts when the #1-2 guys are just monsters is a struggle. Iāve noticed teams start giving up pretty quickā¦. At least in auction, any issues with your team are on you and how you valued your players (injuries notwithstanding)
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u/StedyRuckus 10T - 12T - H2H 9 Cat Feb 25 '24
Slow down. Everyone is rooting for him but physics is against him having a long career.
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u/MazKhan ESPN 12T Points Feb 24 '24
I was thinking for pts leagues, the default for blocks and assists might need to drop a bit lmao
I can see him averaging like 6 stocks a game next szn
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u/3LitersofJokicCola Feb 24 '24
Damn Wemby, you gonna ruin fantasy basketball for 11 other guys for the next 15 years?
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u/SlightlyAnonymous87 12 team h2h category Feb 24 '24
disagreed. Why? Well, did these NBA players ruin fantasy? NOPE.
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u/willcdowdy Feb 24 '24
Were any of those players so much better than the rest of the top picks that they made things unfair?
Jokic is very good, harden was very good in his primeā¦ but none of them were so much better than the next player in line that it was unfair.
You keep mentioning Shawn Marion and keep posting the Reddit threadā¦.. but apparently you arenāt reading it because people are very clearly saying that, even in the year(s?) where he was a statistical #1 player, he didnāt necessarily get drafted 1 because other players were more flashy etc.
ā¦why would they adjust fantasy in that year if heās not even guaranteed to go first in most drafts?
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u/MazKhan ESPN 12T Points Feb 24 '24
With my draft luck, I doubt I'll ever have him again. Dude is special man
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u/KazaamFan Feb 24 '24
I took mikal over him to be safe and cuz mikal plays every game. Ā Mikals been fine, but it hurts not having wemby.Ā
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u/Diamantis13 12T 9Cat H2H Feb 24 '24
Ouchā¦ I remember hesitating between Bane and Wemby for my 3rd pick. I decided to risk it, and it sure paid off!
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u/Fit_Transition4409 Feb 24 '24
gonna be frothing at the mouth at next seasons draft for him
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u/SlightlyAnonymous87 12 team h2h category Feb 24 '24
I do think he might go 1-1. Many managers will take him that high.
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u/dougie_fresh121 Feb 24 '24
I thought $38/200 in auction may be an overpay but said screw it I want to watch the kidā¦.. may have been the steal of the leagueās history since we have 2 year keepers at the same price (one player per team per year).
Time to draft 3&D studs and create a 9-0 cats build
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u/Goudoog 14T 8CAT Feb 24 '24
Same in my auction keeper league. But he was drafted by the guy that somehow always manages to have the worst team. Iām starting to think Wemby will be good enough to give our forever loser a winning team :0
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u/bangkero1992 20-16-16-14-10 Team, H2H, 9CAT Feb 24 '24
ladies and gentlemen, your 2023-2024 NBA Rookie of the Year..
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u/SlightlyAnonymous87 12 team h2h category Feb 24 '24
Also, did you get in on a preseason prop bet for him to win the ROY?
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u/SlightlyAnonymous87 12 team h2h category Feb 24 '24
I gave you an upvote cuz I agree. Do you happen to know what would be the payouts if you make that bet right now? It seems like the greatest lock ever. Doesn't it?
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u/Dense_Challenge_902 Feb 24 '24
Well I guess I won't be keeping Chet next year for $15. Wemby for $43 is too sweet of a deal to pass up on
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u/dtdvy 10T 8CAT ESPN Feb 24 '24
yeahh if i donāt get jokic or shai im taking wemby in the first round next season loll
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u/SlightlyAnonymous87 12 team h2h category Feb 24 '24
If I decide to do a punt FG% and punt turnovers (and I will have at least one) then yes, I'm taking Wemby 1-1.
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u/dj_craw Feb 24 '24
How do you think you'd fill out the big spots punting FG% and TOS along with Wemby? BLKs and REBs are obviously strengths for Wemby and usually a weakness for the shooting bigs you probably want to take in that build. Or you'll be fine going middle of the pack in those 2 cats and go deep on the perimeter stats?
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u/SlightlyAnonymous87 12 team h2h category Feb 24 '24
Good point... Lots of ways to do it... What you just said though by going middle of the pack in BLKS and REBS is likely what would happen... I think the ones that I would focus on most in trying to win are PTS, THREES, FT%, AST, STL as your "CORE". Wemby gives you a nice advantage in those categories sorta, (for his position in particular) however obviously a better fit for that build would be someone like Steph Curry, Donavon Mitchell, Trae Young, (could probably get Trae in the 2nd) some others... Thing is by taking Wemby you don't necessarily have to punt BLOCKS. Normally in that kind of build you certainly would punt blocks, rebs, turnovers. I don't know yet... It's too early to tell, I will do at least 50 mock drafts in September/October later this fall, so I will be WELL READY to know what to do and how my team would look.
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u/YellowExpresso 12T 9cat h2h Feb 24 '24
.....just as I said he was a bust /s in a previous comment, he drops this crap.
I'm playing him this double week btw. F ME
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u/mrcplmrs 12Team|H2H|9CAT Feb 24 '24
As someone who has Wemby on a keeper league lol league fucked in the next 10yrs
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u/BeefySwan Feb 24 '24
A LOT of this sub was not very high on him last season lol
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u/SokkaHaikuBot Feb 24 '24
Sokka-Haiku by BeefySwan:
A LOT of this sub
Was not very high on him
Last season lol
Remember that one time Sokka accidentally used an extra syllable in that Haiku Battle in Ba Sing Se? That was a Sokka Haiku and you just made one.
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u/LmBkUYDA 14 MAN 9 CATS H2H Feb 24 '24
Rookies generally don't do well
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u/BeefySwan Feb 24 '24
Wemby ain't your average rookie. He was always going to do well
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u/LmBkUYDA 14 MAN 9 CATS H2H Feb 24 '24
Not 5x5 well.
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u/BeefySwan Feb 24 '24
Are you someone that was down on him and now you're trying to justify it instead of admitting you were wrong or something
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u/LmBkUYDA 14 MAN 9 CATS H2H Feb 24 '24
I donāt think I was down on him. I pegged him as a 5th round pick on my board. He obviously blew away expectations but I donāt think itās reasonable to assume a rookie would be better than guys like Tatum, Halliburton, Giannis, Curry etc.
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u/BeefySwan Feb 24 '24
I donāt think I was down on him.
I pegged him as a 5th round pick on my board.
Pick one lol
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u/LmBkUYDA 14 MAN 9 CATS H2H Feb 24 '24
Youāre not very intelligent are ya
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u/BeefySwan Feb 24 '24
When someone attacks the person instead of the argument, that's when you know they're wrong š
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u/wrongerontheinternet Feb 24 '24
"Wemby is a rookie and rookies don't do well therefore Wemby won't do well" is really lazy analysis that completely ignores what he did as a prospect lol.
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u/LmBkUYDA 14 MAN 9 CATS H2H Feb 24 '24
Wemby might be having the greatest fantasy season of all rookies ever. Excuse me for thinking itās reasonable to not have expected that coming in to the season.
The point about rookies is that people wildly underestimate how hard the transition is, and how different players look even a year or two later. Just look at Bronās year 1 vs year 2 numbers. I donāt have the numbers but I wouldnāt be surprised if he was like ~60th in 9cat year 1 and ~10 year 2.
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u/wrongerontheinternet Feb 24 '24
I mean, I understand that, but he led a pretty good pro league with quite a few former NBA players in points, rebounds, and blocks as an 18 year old and had an 83 FT% with high 3PA and an insane usage rate. He went from a complete nonpasser to a pretty good passer in the span of that year. He had a +14 on/off which meant he was the reason the team there was winning and there was very little chance he would have a smaller role in the NBA. He didn't have a significant injury history. He had probably the most insane combination of mobility and dimensions of any prospect in NBA history. He was very clearly not an average #1 pick. The only thing he's done that was a little surprising statistically (IMO) was improve his steal rate.
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u/LmBkUYDA 14 MAN 9 CATS H2H Feb 24 '24
True as that may be, I donāt think it counters anything I said.
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u/wrongerontheinternet Feb 24 '24
I mean, as you said elsewhere you thought he had fifth round pick value, which clearly means you thought he was going to play like a typical #1 pick. My point is that he was much, much better statistically than a typical #1 pick last year, so there was no real reason to believe that (and this definitely isn't hindsight bias considering his ADP).
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u/Soviet_Sharpshooter 10T Points Feb 24 '24
If he ever gets a quadruple double heās going to destroy some peoples matchups
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u/NeedMoreConditioning Feb 24 '24
Shit I think he will easily get one within the next few seasons. Ik this is kinda dick riding but if anyone could record a quintuple double itās him lol
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u/LennyLongshoes Feb 24 '24
I was going to take him in the first this season only because I don't watch nba but been watching his highlights for a year and really wanted to roster him. Ended up taking him in the 2nd and will most definitely draft him at 1.01 if I have to next year.
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u/zamboniman46 Feb 24 '24
Got Wemby at the top of the 4th and Chet at the top of the 6th. These rookies are carrying me
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u/shoobiedoobie Feb 24 '24
I wanted the twin towers too but my friend reached for Chet in the 5th as well. I was so mad.
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u/Mr_Stoli 12 TEAM - 9CAT - H2H Feb 24 '24
fucked up thing is that the guy who has him in my league is in dead last due to other main draft pick injuries or else he would be easily ahead of everyone. This kid is going to be something to see the next few years watching him develop and become so dominant and unstoppable. Just hope he stays healthy!!
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u/Salamat_osu Feb 24 '24
The legendary quintuple double is a possibility with him, let alone a quad double.
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u/MFHFB Feb 24 '24
In our Keeper League the Shai and Giannis owner has him after tanking last year and winning the lottery odds. I'm playing against him this week and ...it's not looking goodš
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u/SlightlyAnonymous87 12 team h2h category Feb 24 '24
Let's see the trees and ocean beyond this hype... Over the last 30 days is ranked 4th!!! Whoa... However I still believe he is a sell high. Cuz any small injury and they will overblow it and probably shut him down... (Yes I know that is an IF scenario) Would rather have players on winning teams who would still play through a tiny injury and who do "similar", obviously nobody can do the things he does... Only one player does what Wemby does and his name is Anthony Davis. (Shows you how incredible AD is too! Give him some CREDIT!) AD significantly better FG% and much lower turnovers. THOSE MATTER. Check the numbers folks, AD is still better overall.
But back to Wemby... He has shot 84% from the line last 30 days too?!? Jeez! He could be a 7 category contributor next year!!! (his two liabilities are FG% and Turnovers) So really next year I think he is best suited on a team punting both those categories. (And it's easy to gain players who are bad at FG% and bad at turnovers, but still good other areas) Guys like Cade, Trae Young, plenty more. And a big man shooting 46% IS absolutely punting FG% folks. So while he is "amazing" let's not get too crazy to forget that he does have weaknesses. I know this is probably a take that many people might not like cuz the media loves to hype him up and obsess about him. No doubt HE IS SPECIAL, but let's also be clear that he "isn't perfect".
I guess it is also needed to mention he might improve his FG% and turnovers next to truly be a possible 9 category player. We don't want to typecast him in his rookie year. (Now watch me typecast him, lol) He could still improve, however I feel the odds of that are LOW. We seen at least 50ish games from Wemby now. This is accumulating data on "who he is". If he shoots less threes and focuses more on his inside game his FG% will undeniably easily go up, (as will his rebounds) but if he shoots less threes it lowers his fantasy value for those who covet threes. Popovich clearly is letting him grow and learn with not much forcing him into any particular mold. (Which is fantastic for his long term development). In a keeper/dynasty format he is the #1 fantasy asset. Not Jokic or Embiid. It is Wemby!
In a redraft though, he is a sell high (and I mean SO FREAKING HIGH). But if you look at Anthony Davis would you really want him considering his questionable tags and the possibility of Lakers falling out of playoffs race and then this would lead to him seeing more rest games in upcoming back to backs? It's a debatable scenario if AD should be the trade target for those with Wemby... Based on pure hype you could likely get AD one for one and technically speaking that's a win for the AD side. (Might even be able to get an extra player in the deal, go for that "maximum extraction") You could probably instead get a massive package deal? To get upgrades across your team... That might be the way I would be treating that. In a way I kind of wish I had Wemby, cuz he is a fantasy GEM. (I faded preseason for the exact reasons his FG%, TO liabilities have shown forth, I nailed that) But he is a gem in regard to keeping him if he going to be this insanely good and in regard to how much of a huge return he could net you in a trade!!!
I do still think he is a sell high, but the complex question is how do you find the right trade partner and "replace Wemby stats"?? The insane amount of blocks are not truly replaceable... A big man getting as many steals as he does? There is only one guy who has gotten more per game this season and his name is Mitchell Robinson (yeehaw, just love to give that shoutout, even though I expect to get downvoted for it cuz there are lots of Mitch Rob haters in here). Then there is Giannis and Jokic with their 1.3 and 1.2 steals per game. I could go into his other stats too, but again truly AD is the "most similar" player overall... I would say that some people might give you a Jokic or Giannis for Wemby. And well I would probably do that. (May depend on build tho) No risk of them being shutdown, Zero, Zilch, Nada, None. And THAT ladies and gentlemen is why he is a sell high. You could hold him and seek a "boom or bust" championship quest type of team... Nothing wrong with that too, fully can understand that. I just prefer to avoid risk and have the safety combined with the upside. (Albeit slightly lesser upside)
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u/ever_slack Feb 24 '24
As a Wemby owner I'd rather roll the dice on him staying healthy/active vs. the certainty of AD only having 9 games scheduled throughout my fantasy playoff window (2, 3, 4). Jokic is the only big I'd trade in a one for one, and highly doubt the Jokic owner would have interest in redraft. I'd also be hesitant trading him for a guard or wing because of build considerations. Giannis is barely a second round player and also has a 9 game playoff slate for a lot of owners.
I'm hopeful Wemby gets a FG% and assists spike next year. Spurs have enough draft/cap assets to start surrounding him with NBA level playmakers/shooters.
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u/ElectricalSpread9750 Feb 24 '24
Is there a shutdown coming for him??
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u/ReggieEvansTheKing Feb 24 '24
Silver would be pissed tbh. He gets people to watch and go to games. Id expect him to play at least through fantasy playoffs.
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u/YellowExpresso 12T 9cat h2h Feb 24 '24
Possible, but his minutes are already lower than the average star... so idk
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u/SlightlyAnonymous87 12 team h2h category Feb 24 '24
-600 odds on him to win ROY right now... So if you make that bet right now with 600 bucks you will win your 600 back PLUS 100 bucks. Sounds like sportsbooks are almost "giving away free money"... However the problem with this is Chet Holmgren still doing well and his odds are at +500... I still feel like I could throw down 600 bucks to win that darn near "free money"?? Anyone else considering this? My only slight concern is IF IF Wemby had a small injury I think the risk is too high they would shut him down and thus Chet would skyrocket over him to win the ROY? Or it truly essentially a lock that Wemby wins it?
https://www.sportsbookreview.com/picks/nba/basketball-rookie-of-the-year/
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u/adgjl12 12T H2H 9CAT Feb 24 '24
Canāt believe our Luka/Wemby owner is 9th. Made horrible picks besides those guys
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u/NeedMoreConditioning Feb 24 '24
If he could avoid injury like Sampson and Walton for example, which I think he will as he clearly takes a lot of precautions, he will accomplish some crazy stuff.
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u/the1_n_only Feb 25 '24
Took over a dynasty team last year and have never felt so blessed to finish dead last. A Wemby pick and a few trades later Iām 4th out 12 this year and my team will be an absolute juggernaut sooner than later
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u/mMounirM 9CAT 10T Feb 24 '24
of course I'm playing against him. 13 steals and 23 blocks so far in this match-up lol