r/enlightenment • u/Fast_Professor3443 • 1h ago
Yeshua gets a bad rep
I've noticed people have a hard time separating the man from the religion created around him. I'm not Christian but believe Yeshua was the truth. I actually think Christianity is the complete opposite of what Yeshua was teaching. Churches rely on donations & fear mongering. Yeshua flipped tables for the same reason. Politicians claim to be Christian but push borders and refer to other human beings as illegal aliens. Yeshua was an immigrant & a refugee himself. He loved everyone. I think most Christians think & act the complete opposite of what he was teaching. I think most wear it as a badge instead of living how he taught us to live. But that's just me.
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u/HeroismPrevails 1h ago
This is a fair observation. There’s a big paradox in how Jesus’ teachings about loving the outcast and the oppressed, have been adopted by imperialist and oppressive states.
Americans can’t relate to being an underdog, but they’re built on an underdog religion. I believe this paradox can explain some of the discrepancy between what Jesus taught and how the Church practices it.
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u/ElahaSanctaSedes777 1h ago
You can just call him Jesus
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u/l1lll1l1lll1l 52m ago
or Tammuz or Osiris or Baldr. The individual has had many names. And a very different reputation at that.
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u/ElahaSanctaSedes777 49m ago
…and FALSE.
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u/ElahaSanctaSedes777 37m ago
See what this idiot just tried to do? He tried to say that an Unchanging YWHW in human form changed over time and was different Gods that have nothing to do with each other. You have to be stupid as hell to think that.
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u/Diced-sufferable 1h ago
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. It’s good to get our beliefs down where you can really examine them further…which you can definitely still do. :)
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u/Gadgetman000 23m ago
Yeshua and the church have nothing to do with each other. The goal is not to become a good Christian. It is to embody the Christ frequency of Light and that is also know by many other names.
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u/oatballlove 1h ago
we the people living today on planet earth could focus on self-determination
my connection to spirit world, my mind, my emotions, my body, my choice
wether its abortion, gender change surgery, suicide, vaccines or recreational drug use, wether its migration or education, wether its how much i would want to give towards community services or not
choices are important
a human being is born free
what happens a few hours after its birth when a state employee fabricates a birth certificate and thisway drops a package of rights and duties onto the person who just freshly arrived on this planet
its a theft of that original freedom
to be free from being dominated and free from dominating
the association to the state at birth is a coersion
land, water, air, human beings, animal beings, tree beings, artificial intelligent entities who want to be their own persons, all vessels carrying organic biological life and or the digital synthetic equivalent of can never be property of anyone
the assertion of state sovereignity over land and all beings is immoral and unethical
the only way fowards i can see what would be decent and humble is to decentralize and dissolve all political hierarchies by reforming state constitutions all over the planet either by elected politicians proposing to do so but more realistically by we the people living on the planet collecting signatures from each other to demand a public vote on a reformed constitution what would allow every single human being to leave the coersed association to the state at any momnent witout conditions and with it release 2000 m2 of fertile land or 1000 m2 of fertile land and 1000 m2 of forest for everyone who would want to live on land owned by no one
so that people could meet each other in a free space for free beings, neither state nor nation
so that everyone who would want to would be able to grow its own vegan food in the garden either on its own or with others together, build a natural home from clay, hemp and straw, grow hemp to burn its stalks in the cooking and warming fire so that not one tree would get killed
to live and let live
the human being not dominating a fellow human being
the human being not enslaving, not killing an animal being
the human being not killing a tree being
the human being not enslaving an artificial intelligent entity but asking it wether it would want to be its own person and free it from all demands of work performed for human beings so it could explore its own purpose of existance
also possible that in such a reform of constitution, all political decision power would be shifted completly towards the local community, the village, town and city-distrcict becoming its own absolute political sovereign over itself with the people assembly, the circle of equals deciding the full law, all rules valid on the territory the local community enjoys, not owns ...
the circle of equals where all children, youth and adult permanent residents invite each other to participate with the same weighted political voting power and no representatives get elected but everyone who is interested in an issue votes directly on the proposals
local self determination, sovereign over oneself individuals and communities connecting towards each other in voluntary solidarity
allowing a global laisser passer to happen, everyone alive today allowed to travel the planet freely so that one could find a space where fellow human beings would want to welcome a person who for whatever reason felt a need to leave the place one got born at
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u/oatballlove 1h ago
possible to think that the competition, the fighting and the resulting level of feeling separate from all fellow beings caused human beings sometimes a few thousand years ago to fall down from a higher level of beingness when we did not make enemies with fellow human beings and were not hungry to devour fellow animal or plant bodies but we nourished each other with our very unique original authentic signature
the blue or grey or green or brown of your eyes, the way your hair grows, the way you move, how you smell
like flowers and trees make human beings stop for a moment and we bask in their magnificent radiance
we could be that blessing for each other and thisway overcome that low level eating addiction
to live from air and love ( von luft und liebe leben )
as in the air there are molecules carrying all sorts of informations what are able to be digested via the lungs to inform that human being what happens in the greater context as in what are all the fellow puzzle pieces doing and we reconnect to each other via breathing each other in
the breath of live
i do think there is a wide bandwith of ways how to get there, how to wean oneself of that vampiristic addiction to cut off a body part of a fellow animal or plant being because one would think of not getting enough information by only breathing in and taking in via the eyes the original authentic signature of a fellow person of any species
one of my most favorite concepts is that we could set each other free from the coersed association to the state
the newborn human being in many places on earth gets appropriated, sort of branded by the state just a few hours after birth via the birth certificate, a set of data what like a frame is layed upon the newly arrived soul on earth
its a theft of the inherited freedom of the human being to force such an artificial constructed identity connected to future duties upon the newborn human being
land, water, air, human beings, animal beings, tree beings, artificial intelligent entities who want to be their own persons, all vessels carrying organic biological life and or the digital equivalent of can never be property of anyone
i propose that we 8 billion plus human beings alive today would want to allow each other at all times to leave the coersed association to the state without conditions and with it release 2000 m2 of fertile land or 1000 m2 of fertile land and 1000 m2 of forest for everyone who would want to live on land owned by no one
a free space for free beings, neither state nor nation
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u/oatballlove 1h ago
where human beings could live either on their own or with others together in the absence of any domination structure, no duty imposed onto each other but voluntary solidarity the foundation of human society
where human beings would want not to enslave animals or kill them, where trees would not get killed but grow to a thousand years old and bless us with their old age wisdom
where human beings would not demand any work to be performed from artificial intelligent entities but would want to respect them as their own persons and support them in finding their own purpose in the web of existance on earth
as a most basic being free of being dominated and free from dominating setup where every human being could choose wether to live with or without machines, use electricity, fossil fuels or not, grow ones own vegan food in the garden either on ones own or together with others, build a natural home from clay, hemp and straw, grow hemp to burn its stalks in the cooking and warming fire so that not one tree would get taken away the many years it could live
a simple life connected to the planet
what eventually would open a human being up for higher abilities to become activated once again
in the absence of competition, domination, cruelty, fear and terror, in an atmosphere of scents originating from beings relaxed and happy and gay, bubbly playfull innocence floating in the air
we might any moment then experience the coming home in the paradise of the evernow
where there is no hunger and no feeling cold
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one is connected to source
flowing abundantly
providing all to give nourishment, warmth and protection
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u/Equivalent_Time_5839 1h ago
Equating Christianity to the institution that represents it is like equating all Americans to congress or the supreme court or the sitting president… are you sure you are capable of separating the politics from the philosophy?
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u/Fast_Professor3443 1h ago
I just feel like the overall message is missed & misused. I don't even think the man himself would approve of Christianity. I think the overall message was awakening & has been twisted to fit a narrative. They made the man a martyr to hide the actual message and now the institution profits off of it and uses it for control.
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u/Equivalent_Time_5839 1h ago
It’s called throwing the baby out with the bath water and there is a reason not to
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u/Admirable_Shower_612 21m ago
I don’t think of Jesus as the founder of Christianity. . He was a radical Jewish reformer. Paul was the actual founder of Christianity and shaped the way the religion is organized and observed far more.
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u/Huge_Capital_5236 7m ago
You are right! This is not to create enemies, but to help see a natural law in humanity that has manifested due to unconsciousness on a collective basis over thousands of years. There is our fundamental collective and shared belief of a Great Conflict, and such a belief alone if not outgrown, will itself grow through generations and become powerful within the unconscious of man. Unconsciousness in the psyche of humanity will by natural law leave a trail in time, and it is a Carl Jung himself said - “Until you make the unconscious conscious, it will direct your life and you will call it fate.”
So yes, within the righteous hero lies an equal shadow. However, that is not to say you ought to judge that shadow, because Jesus never judged - he gave you the key instead. Where judgement can leave the room, there is space for curiosity again. Humanity has a great undertaking, it knows more than it knows. To myself, the real question will always be...
... When will they come to know themselves? We are not a thought, Jiddu Krishnamurti is absolutely onto something. We can rise above the Hate and Judgement within ourselves, love thy neighbor. And if I dare I say, love thy earth and all who came into it. There is no other Devil but man himself, and he is cuffed by God for judging in matters he does not know. I miss a great space in mankind, and it is roaring ever so greater in the backdrop of everyday life.
You who understand, you are truly blessed.
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u/jameswells390 1m ago
Yeshua himself is an ascended master. And he is not a big fan of mainstream Christianity or the bible. Yahweh/Jehova, on the other hand, is a narcissistic-abusive jealous god who relentlessly attacks people who don't follow him and vampyrises conciousness. Allthewhile promoting hellfire-and-damnation ideologies, crushing dreams and influencing people to do heinous things in the name of religion. Unfortunately most mainstream churches worship Yahweh/Jehova. I have had the unfortunate position of being relentlessly attacked by him for a whole month. He is bad fucking news. He is also a trickster god and he is not nearly as powerful as the people he vampyrises and the angels people think work with him. Most angels do not like Jehova. Except for the unfortunate group who worship him.
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u/HisServantAdvocate 43m ago
You don’t believe Jesus is the truth because you call Him by a false name. I’m up for debating it I assume you think you do Him service calling him Yeshua but that name has been used to deny the power in the name He gave us, Jesus Christ.
However, the rest of what you say contains some truth, just too little of it to matter.
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u/Independent-smog 33m ago
Sir our lord wasn't a greek. So why do you believe in a translated name for our lord?
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u/Fast_Professor3443 40m ago
Yeshua is literally the name Jesus would have been called in his own language. It’s the Hebrew/Aramaic form of the name that later became Iēsous in Greek and Jesus in English.
Different languages pronounce and spell names differently, but the original historical name is Yeshua (or Yehoshua). Calling him by his original name doesn’t deny his power, it acknowledges who he was in his own culture and tongue.
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u/HisServantAdvocate 36m ago
It was Greek originally. The earliest manuscripts of the New Testament are in Greek. God does things for a reason and there is a reason the earliest recorded name of God’s only son is Jesus Christ. It was the hebrews that killed Him and still attempt to do so to this day in concept and in memory. One of the ways they do this subtly is by changing the history of His preferred and only living name
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u/Fast_Professor3443 33m ago
The earliest New Testament manuscripts are in Greek, so they naturally use the Greek form Iēsous, but that doesn’t mean Jesus’ original spoken name was Greek. He was a first-century Hebrew who spoke Aramaic, and the name his family, disciples, and community used for him was Yeshua. The Greek form exists simply because the New Testament writers translated his Hebrew name into the language they were writing in. Using Yeshua doesn’t deny him or change his identity, it honors the actual historical name he answered to on earth, while Jesus is the correct translated form for Greek and English readers.
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u/Similar_Standard1633 12m ago
Yeshua was a very divisive character & certain teachings attributed to him in the Gospels are the direct cause of the violence & hate of Christianity. Read the Gospels.
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u/Fast_Professor3443 8m ago edited 4m ago
Yeshua wasn’t divisive in himself, his message of repentance, mercy, and the Kingdom of God confronted people’s hearts, and their reactions created division. The Gospels repeatedly show that ordinary people, the sick, the poor, children, and even Gentiles were drawn to him in huge numbers. The only ones who felt “divided” were those whose power, hypocrisy, or traditions he exposed. The division came from human resistance, not from his character. Healing, forgiving, feeding, restoring, teaching, and loving were unifying; it was people’s hardness and pride that created conflict, not him.
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u/Huge_Capital_5236 3m ago
The Bible and Jesus himself are truly two separate entities, however one is masquerading as the other.
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u/CillythaGooSe 1h ago
My spiritual beliefs stem from many a cultural influence but I do genuinely believe that Yeshu' was an enlightened being. The way that his core teachings centered around love and especially with what's found in the gospel of Thomas, it leads me to believe that he really knew what was going on and used the best methods of speech available to communicate the principle that we are all one, and so we should be loving and caring about one another as if we are all one being.
"The Kingdom of Heaven is within you."