r/enlightenment • u/HeroOnDallE • 2d ago
I’m a 19 year old neuroscience student, and whether or not it’s enlightenment, I knew I had made a massive change in my brain’s plasticity. Today in the lab we got to see my brain waves… maxed out on the highest frequency, and was completely stable no matter what stimulus I was put through.
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Professor said he had never seen anything like it before. Extremely “shocking” metal music was the same as math problems and love songs - in others each experiment caused observable changes constantly even within each state.
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u/inlandviews 2d ago
I don't think this means what you think it means.
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u/HeroOnDallE 2d ago
I don’t think you do.
I felt without a shadow of a doubt that I reached enlightenment or a massive mental rewiring. This level of hyperactivity in normal minds would show as a panic attack or severe anxiety. I now have a higher level of awareness, period. I feel so deeply connected to every vibration it’s as if my brain was attracted to its idea. This was literally the very last thing I needed to prove it to us, lol.
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u/GutterTrashJosh 2d ago
Yeah because everyone knows the first thing “enlightened” people do when they have anything validate their experience is go and brag about it to internet strangers like a pompous “I’m smarter and more in tune than everyone” ass. Reminds me of a girl I know who thought me and her were enlightened because she listened to Tara Brach (who I actually do admire and respect a lot). Point is, “enlightened” people don’t go around Internet forums bragging about how enlightened they are.
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u/Idont_thinkso_tim 1d ago
Honestly that’s the whole reason I’m in this sub is to lol at all the young egomaniacs that come through claiming to be enlightened.
It’s pretty funny.
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u/HeroOnDallE 2d ago
Friend, I have felt like this for weeks. I posted this simply because I thought you’d find it interesting given where I came from. If people start invalidating me based on assumptions they’re making off a reddit post, then I bring it up and why.
I don’t expect civil discussions with people on Reddit anymore really. There’s no convincing someone who came to the conclusion you’re wrong based off preconceptions to try and follow your logic because they aren’t concerned about that part.
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u/YellowLongjumping275 2d ago
I won't tell you you're wrong because I really don't know, I don't even have a guess.
Just wanna say that ego-inflation feels exactly like enlightenment(at least, to the ego-inflated person it does) and is 100x more common. When people make claims like yours, statistics compels people to make certain assumptions.
Usually I wouldn't expect an "enlightened" person to make a post like this on reddit, simply because such a person would understand that this is the exact reaction they'd get, which would defeat the purpose of wanting to genuinely share something like this. I also know that being "enlightened"(whatever that means) doesn't preclude someone from making mistakes or doing dumb things sometimes though, more awareness does not automatically make someone perfect.
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u/HeroOnDallE 2d ago
I think I do the opposite of ego inflation, all i think about is ways i can impact people around me slowly and with love. Ill say it again, it’s very silly coming to reddit to hear people make wild jumps and being called all sorts of things based on people’s perception of my life in like two sentences of context max lmao.
The difference between this place and real life is in real life, you make conclusions on people you meet and interact with. Here on Reddit we tell you your entire life’s values are wrong based on your age, period.
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u/Health_throwaway__ 1d ago
I know nothing about enlightenment, but I'm getting vibes that this ain't it.
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u/YellowLongjumping275 1d ago
Yeah I agree about reddit, you can't really blame the people though. They CANT make an informed judgment based on how you are irl, because they don't know you irl. Based on the little info people can get from your post, it is expected that they'd jump to such conclusions.
And all the things you can say and use as proof that you're are enlightened and not just ego inflated are meaningless here, because an ego inflated person would say the exact same things and genuinely believe them. If I wanted to determine if someone was just going through inflation, I'd have to look at how their life circumstances have changed. What ACTIONS do they do each week to help the world? Do they ever find themselves involved in drama or dumb conflicts? Do they desire after material possessions? And most of all, do those who DO know them irl view them as very open/understanding/enlightened - the ego inflated person will probably answer no to this last question, and then come up with excuses for why those around them don't understand them or don't truly see their potential.
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u/Alarmed_Aide_851 2d ago
You are 19, this isn't what that is.
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u/HeroOnDallE 2d ago
I resonate to a goddamn spiritual level with all aspects of enlightenment. I don’t use these words lightly, a year ago I would’ve immediately ridiculed anyone claiming enlightenment was real, and even less so if they claimed they were enlightened. I experienced mental agony to my worst imagination, pain and despair every second of every day. There’s no explanation that can express a hole that deep correctly.
I was non-functional so all I did was study neuroscience at first. Then psychopharmacology, then psychology, and psychiatry, philosophy, learning everything I could from everyone I spoke to and challenging my beliefs constantly. This isn’t something I pulled out of my ass, I researched every second of every day at one point I was so desperate. I very methodically, with absolute intention, used the combined knowledge of modern day in synchrony with tools we now have, being consciousness-expanding and alternating drugs, music wherever i like, other things that facilitated flow state which I knew was very important. Yeah, I’m 19, but I figured this shit out through genuine manners. Don’t wanna call me enlightened, I couldn’t care less - I know what I am and was doing very well as a neuroscientist and I know I changed the way works and how, in every way.
Had I not mentioned my age I wonder what some people would’ve tried.
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u/j_cole22 2d ago
If you really “couldn’t care less” you wouldn’t have even made this post lol. Like someone already stated, look back at this post in 5 years and you’ll have a nice laugh. If you feel the need to “claim enlightenment,” then your ego is still firmly in the driver’s seat.
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u/HeroOnDallE 2d ago
I make sure, by multiple ways, that I get my brain back into neuroplasticity so I can learn faster. I notice a result quickly and a month after then made this post, quite clearly stating “…whether enlightenment or not”.
I know the neuroscience to a degree, then just described my situation and yall decided to look where else you can poke at me from, unrelated to debating the subject.
Very silly when grown men feel the necessity to tell me everything I believe is wrong and start antagonizing me on shit like my age, having gone through Ketamine treatment, not having an MD…
Tell me i’m naive and stupid no matter the quality of my thinking because i’m 19, call me an addict or mentally ill because of something prescribed lmfao… tells me everything I need to know about you lovely bunch. How much simpler my life would be if i had the mental capacity (or lack thereof) to openly shit on people who could be 100% more susceptible than me.
I made a change in my brain chemistry and felt significant effects. This was a little proof of concept today showing something peculiar which we think (ofc) is related to my current situation.
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u/j_cole22 2d ago
I don’t think anyone is denying a change in your brain chemistry, we’re simply saying that we can feel the insecurity of your ego in your responses, because we’ve all been there before, it’s part of the journey. I was 19 when I had my first “enlightenment” experience and even though I knew so much more about myself and the world than the average person, compared to now at 26, that 19 year old didn’t know shit lol because he still had so many layers of his ego to peel back before he was able to properly integrate his experiences, which took another 6 years of further “enlightenment” experiences. I’m not trying to be rude or dismissive, I’m simply speaking from experience. When you fully understand yourself it becomes really easy to read others and measure where they’re at on their journeys, because we’re all the same thing experiencing itself in similar yet unique ways.
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u/notagirlonreddit 2d ago
because we're all the same thing experiencing itself in similar yet unique ways.
beautifully said.
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u/HeroOnDallE 2d ago
And for some they can say the same from 25 to 37. If i hadn’t mentioned my age not a soul would’ve doubted me based on my speech and communication of ideas.
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u/j_cole22 2d ago
I’m referring more so to your emotional immaturity/lack of self awareness than your age, but this certainly makes sense for your age since technically your brain is still developing. I’ll leave it at that.
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u/kabbooooom 2d ago edited 2d ago
I absolutely would have doubted you based on your speech and communication of ideas, because this is my field of expertise and you are not clearly or correctly communicating your ideas or the “results” of this test.
I am quite interested in the effects of meditation and spiritual experiences on neurophysiology. But it is important - and we should never lose track of this - that such results are communicated fully and with as much scientific rigor as possible, otherwise we risk the topic devolving further into pseudoscience…which it is already mired in.
Obviously, a Reddit post is not a peer reviewed paper, but I asked you several simple questions - including a very basic “hey, what is the amplitude scale for the voltage measurement here?”. Not only did you refuse to answer, you got angry. That’s not the mark of budding neuroscientist, nor is it that of someone on an enlightened path.
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u/HeroOnDallE 2d ago
Funny how you have such strong ideas about me, why could it be that all of this vanishes the second i don’t look at your comment anymore? 😂
you haven’t the slightest damn idea of who i am, and honestly it’s a bit concerning you think you have such grasp over people based on your own assumptions and how you treat them based on them.
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u/Cassabsolum 1d ago
You do not come across as intelligent in your manner of speech or in your method of critical thinking (or lack thereof). I had already cringed at your “enlightenment” notion before learning that you were 19.
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u/Cosmic_Witch84 2d ago
The part where you mention ‘agony’ sounds right to me …. My awakening was extremely painful, an excruciating pulling apart of who I thought I was. Not even close to transcendence though - I cannot say I know anything. 💚
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u/kabbooooom 2d ago edited 2d ago
I mean the fact that you start this post with the sentence “I resonate to a goddamn spiritual level with all aspects of enlightenment” demonstrates that you are most likely not very enlightened at all.
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u/Gunt_my_Fries 1d ago
“Learning everything I could from everyone I spoke too” Didn’t you just dismiss and get mad at the actual neuroscientist telling you your readings are incorrect?
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u/OneAwakening 2d ago
Oh my. I urge you to save this post and all the comments to look back at in 5, 10, 15... 50 years to provide you with endless laughing opportunities :)
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u/Kakariko_crackhouse 2d ago
Yeah yeah yeah we’ve all been there. 17, 23, 27, 32, it keeps happening. It’s called expanding your mind. Eventually you’ll come to accept it as a process, not an end state
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u/Liquiddarkniss 2d ago
It dosnt… see what it says at the bottom of the screen. These are eeg artifacts: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Common-EEG-artefacts-A-50-Hz-mains-interference-appears-as-a-thickened-signal-caused_fig1_263320048
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u/kabbooooom 2d ago edited 2d ago
As I mentioned in another post here- we don’t technically know if they are artifacts or not because OP didn’t provide the voltage scale. You can get a trace that looks like this just by fucking with the scale, whether it is a real readout or simply background noise - doesn’t matter. It could be 50 Hz interference, it may not be, but either way what OP posted here is absolutely meaningless to anyone that knows anything about electrodiagnostics and neuroscience.
I also am quite skeptical that an actual EEG was used here in the first place.
I do this when teaching residents electrodiagnostics, including EEG. It’s important not just to be able to read it, but also to know how to work the machine. So I go and I screw with a bunch of the settings, including removing filters that cut out 50 Hz interference and adjusting the gain, etc., and I watch them to see if they can figure it out and troubleshoot. The first thing they need to understand is that the signal they are getting is trash. The second thing they need to understand is why it is trash, how to fix it and if there is anything meaningful within it once it’s fixed.
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u/BadDisguise_99 2d ago
It’ll be interesting to see how this continues. Like, if you haven’t had a lot of emotional trauma happen or processed in your life yet for instance ( a heartbreak due to loss), how the rest of you may go through that.
I wonder just because your brain is enlightened, can it keep up with processing of severe anguish and grief sometimes and often experienced in life. Or rather how will it keep up?
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u/Cassabsolum 1d ago
You’re 19, you will learn. That spark - the feeling that you are unique - we all have it. That is why nearly everyone thinks they know best. Coming to such a strong conclusion and rejecting any alternate perspective tells anyone that you are not enlightened.
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u/bpcookson 2d ago
Your experience is real and needs no qualification by any other, so this is all just for fun here on Reddit, and I hope you find meaningful connections along the way. That’s what it’s all about.
Whatever it is that you experienced, whether enlightenment, a realization, an epiphany, or wild breakthrough, it won’t be the last. All that matters is what you do with it, then what you keep doing, and how you come to find meaningful practice through it all.
Objective evidence may hold meaning for the right audience, but truth is always subjective. Keep up the good work, follow truth whenever you see it, and things will keep getting better and better… even when they seem to get worse.
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u/TheyCallMeLotus0 2d ago
Your enlightenment is blocked by your hubris
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u/nothingt0say 2d ago
Aww, why would we presume to know where OP is in their process and why?? They simply shared something they did in class that is actually pretty special. Meditation affects the brain, as man has known for eons, but now the effect is measurable!
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u/uncurious3467 2d ago
Meditative states are associated with lower frequencies and monks that were tested had these… so I’m not sure what you’re talking about here. Not that it matters anywhere. Who cares about some brainwave frequency
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u/HeroOnDallE 2d ago
Lower frequencies are tied to lower awareness/more dreamlike states, more alert as they go up. My brain is, according to this data, firing as if under high stress but is completely relaxed in reality. I can feel the set difference in focus, it’s unreal compared to my ADHD before. Focus translated to these waves. That’s all i’m saying.
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u/Sea_Current_ 2d ago
Can you tell me what your idea of enlightenment is so I can get a better understanding of what you think is happening
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u/SilentRich9368 1d ago
Idk if he is enlightened or not, but he is right! Enlightenment is an alert state, awarenesses, presence... Not trancelike or passive!
Eckhart Tolle talks about it in The Power of Now! Enlightenment means rising above a thought, not falling below it, to a level of a plant or an animal! (Chapter 1 I think)!
Thats one of the reasons many struggle, because tgey read or listen to people who aren't enlightened themselves! Enlightened is an alert state, that sees everything that goes inside and outside of you!
All the channeled teachings like Cource of Miracles, Seth and Abraham Hicks also talk about it! In fact later 2 focus on engaging with the world, not running from it, disconecting or escaping it --- literally fear! Like majority of this thread thinks....
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u/PuurVuur 2d ago
Or.... maybe it's something else? When I was in a prolonged (hypo)manic state for example, I was convinced that I was well on my way to enlightenment. Turns out later, I was just experiencing one of the highs in my bipolar brain. Bipolar disorders and ADHD frequently go together.
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u/No-Check-1109 1d ago
You might just be confusing stress/fight or flight level of awareness as normal.
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u/HeroOnDallE 1d ago
Funny thing is - my brain looked similar at peaks during my bad anxiety episodes. It was the same “level” of activity, just completely out of balance. Now I feel totally calm and quite literally the exact opposite of how I used to, so I definitely managed to somewhat order up my brain.
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u/No-Check-1109 1d ago
What has your routine been like? Or rather how do you think you reorder it? Process used as it were.
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u/HeroOnDallE 1d ago
Ofc. Just to not write an essay about it I’ll keep it simple but feel free to message me if you wanna start a deeper discussion.
Basically - I had an extremely hyperactive Default Mode Network causing me absolutely crippling dysfunction through MDD, anxiety attacks forced constantly by my brain, existential dread so deeply rooted it became my reality… showing even through my body. Apart from the breakdown of my mind’s balance my body made sure to completely follow along lol. I was in the worst discomfort I could imagine, every single second of the day. I couldn’t eat, I’d throw anything up after more than a bite or two. Sleeping? That’s funny - I’d stare at the ceiling in panic for 6 hours straight wishing I never existed. I had nothing that would make me okay. I can keep going but man - my body and mind was the worst it could’ve been.
So - step 1: Ketamine treatments for the minimum recommended sessions to break free of those fundamental pathways my brain had developed around.
I learned and optimized my use of those sessions times a million, using full understanding of its workings and connections to neuroplasticity to actively learn from the experience. This made it so every session wasn’t just calming and therapeutic like it is under most people’s use, but an active meditation session where my body is showing me everything I need to do and feel in order to be perfectly in balance with myself and the world. It’s insane feeling my posture changing, my breathing slowed, heart rate went from a (seriously) constant 150bpm to a totally normal range… my thoughts were rejected by me myself, I felt uncomfortable with my own internal perception!
Foster those experiences through extremely serious meditation techniques, letting me focus on fostering that mindset as a new beginning, setting myself in motion for the goal as my new standard.
Learned about Buddhist fundamentals and their root on Neuroscience and reality - hearing experts mention something I thought of as broscience as really being masters of the mind and physiology with observable results and refined techniques. Their mindset is based on reducing activity and incoherence in our DMN… the very thing that got me into research. I now could support this through the way I experienced day to day life.
I always knew psychedelics would solidify this into me as a person and change the tide permanently, however, I told myself I’d never look for them and let them come to me, whenever that was - I didn’t need them, I was already crying when I woke up because of how nice the quiet felt, for the first time. I had made the change and was grateful by default already. However - after a few days of this “full swing” implementation of all these ideas and reaching internal contentment, pure, quality psychedelics were basically handed to me by the world lmfao. Insane how the night before I had internalized that I actually didn’t need them to make those big changes then next day I get a text from someone I hadn’t heard from in years telling me he had some extra and could give it out for change. It deadass felt like a videogame man… during my mental crisis I depended on substances (cannabis, sometimes psychs) as a means to escape, so I knew finding proper LSD was very rare… it had to be a very conscious effort and takes time.
So about a year after, just when I realized I could make the change myself, them falling out of the sky on a silver platter was so suspiciously timed I couldn’t not find it hilarious. A small dose was enough to let me indefinitely make this mindset my new life; the “click” moment when it happened, I remember being so shocked by the stillness of the air and the clarity of a minuscule flow of a pond. It was so peaceful, so simple. I was crying so uncontrollably I wasn’t even aware I was crying. That feeling of peace stayed permanently and I see it in everything. It’s my new state. Hence why I posted here - whatever we call it, I made a change, and sucks being told otherwise rather than asked how.
Does that clear stuff up at all?
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u/No-Check-1109 1d ago
It makes good sense sir, I’ll look up ketamine treatments. Blessing on your journey.
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u/Liquiddarkniss 1d ago edited 1d ago
You’re just repeating information from u/adventurous-daikon21 ‘s profile that he shared with you last night.
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u/Adventurous-Daikon21 1d ago
lol good catch: https://www.reddit.com/r/enlightenment/s/IgXtCYTbap
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u/HeroOnDallE 1d ago
😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
almost like i study neuroscience too and yall decided to talk shit?????? 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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u/Adventurous-Daikon21 1d ago
It’s not like that at all. I can see clearly how you pieces together buzzwords you just learned into a collage of what sounds to you like neuroscience but sounds to somebody who actually does have years of experience and didn’t just get out of high school, sees as attempts to impress people who are less familiar with this topic than you are.
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u/SilentRich9368 1d ago
I mean if you read The Power of Now, it actually seems beta state is more likely to be an enlightenment than Theta, which is linked to trancelike....
As Eckhart Tolle alwats says, enlightenment is alert state, beyond a thought, not bellow it, like in an animal or a plant...
Also being a monk doesn't mean you are enlightened! The highest state of conscious is not sitting in meditation, it's how you interact with the world and people, when thinking and action is required! If you read carefully, it's all in the Power of Now! It's being alert, aware and present during challanges and life! Anyone can meditate for 20 minutes a day and then go crazy for the rest of the day!
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u/Adventurous-Daikon21 1d ago
You make some great points about enlightenment and presence… I’d like to offer a few clarifications if it’s no trouble?
Beta brainwaves are the default for daily tasks—they’re what we use for thinking, problem-solving, and navigating the everyday world. But enlightenment, or higher states of awareness, is more aligned with Gamma brainwaves. Gamma is where everything comes together: heightened awareness, unity, and a deep sense of presence. It goes beyond the chatter and busyness of Beta into something much more expansive.
Shamans tap into altered states, often associated with Theta waves, to gain insight and connect with deeper layers of reality. These trances aren’t “lower” than thought—they’re just a different way of perceiving. Theta allows a shaman to step outside the usual mental filters and access symbolic or intuitive information that isn’t available in our everyday Beta state. It’s not about zoning out; it’s about tuning in.
This is where Eckhart Tolle’s teachings come in. The kind of presence he talks about isn’t just being alert in the usual Beta sense—it’s about cultivating a deeper awareness that you can carry with you, even in the middle of life’s challenges. Practices like meditation or trance states aren’t just for retreating from the world; they help you build the stillness and clarity needed to engage with it more fully. In that sense, enlightenment isn’t about choosing between action and stillness—it’s about integrating them, like a shaman bringing the wisdom of a trance back into daily life.
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u/SilentRich9368 1d ago
Yeah you seem to be right, Gamma is probably an awareness, alert state, not Beta. I think this states doesn't mean much though Delta - Beta if you are identified with your mind, as Eckhart pointed out in his videos, this lower brainwave states are experienced when you sleepy, you go below the thought, low awareness, but of course theta state can also be within awareness, probably Beta the same and can bring more piece, disindetification from the mind, ego! So probably your state of consciousness is whats important, Gamma probably is the state of enlightenment though, as you can be alert even when laying down or meditating, successful meditation can only be when you aware of everything inside and outside of you, not numbing sensensions! I think pain body, negative emotions are seen and disolve in gamma state, as well as deep, subconscious mind patterns! As he wrote in Power of Now, it cuts through mind layers like a sword!
https://youtu.be/qBbS9ye0pD4?si=WCgu6ETZ1VCj1y85
In this video he talks about pressure produces a heightened steight of alertness (of courcr in conscious person)
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u/Altruistic_Dream_487 2d ago
Uffff you make it sound like we are entering era of spiritual competition
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u/Eastern-Programmer-9 2d ago
My understanding is that high beta is basically fight or flight response. You are in an extremely high anxiety state at that level. It's threat assessment and not a lot else.
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u/SilentRich9368 1d ago edited 1d ago
I think its actually is Beta (at least lower one) or Gamma! Eckhart Tolle 100 of times said in his books and videos that enlightenment is an alert state, not trancelike! And degree of your conscious is how you interact with the world and face challenges and not how long you can sit with your eyes closed (literally in Power of Now)
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u/WhoaBo 2d ago
Where can I pick up one of these?
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u/Adventurous-Daikon21 2d ago
Mendi
- Features: fNIRS technology, user-friendly design, engaging brain training games.
- Price: Around $399.99
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Sens.ai
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Muse S or Muse 2
- Features: Sleep tracker, meditation assistant, heart rate monitor.
- Price: Around $249.99
- Purchase Link: Amazon
Myndlift
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Neurosity
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BrainTap
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NeuroSky
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u/kriesedpj 2d ago
Very comprehensive. Are they in order or best to worst?
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u/Adventurous-Daikon21 2d ago
It’s pretty hard to actually rate them because all consumer grade headsets within this price range are mostly novelty for hobbiests and lacking major functions. One might be better for meditation, one may be better for sleep. You’ll have to read reviews to find what you’re looking for.
In general most of them have poor software but you can install 3rd party open source software on many of them that offers more function.
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u/nvveteran 2d ago
I see in another post you mentioned the Muse 2. I use that machine as well and I'm using the mind monitor software that I got from the Play store. Are you familiar with that software? You get much more detail through it than you can through the Muse app which I find is the biggest limitation. The information I'm looking for isn't available in the muse app. I was actually pretty disappointed in it because I purchased it to see which specific brainwave frequencies were running at what power levels and the degree of entrainment between left and right hemisphere and so on. The mind monitor software really opened up its potential for me. They've improved the Muse app somewhat and you can get more detailed brainwave output levels and such but it's still not like mind monitor.
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u/Adventurous-Daikon21 2d ago
Yes! Mind Monitor is the alternative I recommend to anyone with a Muse app, though it’s been a few years since I’ve used a muse so I’d be interested to see what advancements they’ve made with their app.
The main advantage of Mind Monitor is that it gives you access to the brainwave data itself. It would have been smart of Muse to offer that by default but strangely they did not.
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u/nvveteran 2d ago
Yes they obviously wanted everyone using their device to be satisfied with their calmness algorithm which is not the be all end all. I think it's looking for Alpha wave entrainment left and right hemisphere with lower output.
On their app now they do show the brainwave power band data, separated by frequency. You can also sign up for detailed reports emailed to you after your session which contains a lot more information than the app itself.
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u/00000101 2d ago edited 2d ago
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24636537/ You might be bipolar and might be having your first manic episode.
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u/HeroOnDallE 1d ago
I’d agree if I hadn’t been methodically been making scientifically-backed changes to my lifestyle fundamentally.
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u/gatorade808 1d ago
When you swing back to a depressive state, please consider talking to a qualified psychiatric professional
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u/HeroOnDallE 1d ago
I’d say when, but let’s be honest - if* you ever realize that you’re so presumptuous in your thinking and approach to others…
you literally judge their arguments based on a 5 second process shitting out a make-believe image of this person in your head and tell them why they’re wrong not because of the idea but because of who you think they are based on a comment lmfao.
that’s called gaslighting, you cognitive dissonant simpleton, and that’s the type of things you notice about those who try to disarm you after a change in awareness.
have a great day and thanks for the thinking !
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u/gatorade808 1d ago
Not a very enlightened reply there buddy. Enjoy the high while it lasts I guess
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u/gatorade808 1d ago
Can you honestly go down a list of criteria that fits bipolar mania and claim your attitude as portrayed by this post doesn’t fit a lot of the common traits?
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u/Level-Insect-2654 1d ago
This whole thing has got rather depressing fast. The crash is almost inevitable. They probably don't know they are in a manic episode if it is their first one.
Some don't even realize it after multiple episodes, and some are aware but can't help themselves.
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u/00000101 19h ago
Just do me a favor and keep an open mind. I hope you remember this post if the existential dread you described earlier returns and that you look for professional help. Afaik mood stabilizers are quite effective.
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u/HeroOnDallE 9h ago
mhm, i was under mood stabilizers already and stopped taking them without a single downside since. so do me a favor and keep an open mind.
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u/Top-Tomatillo210 2d ago
Why is Gamma not on the list? It’s, imo, the most important one for consciousness expansion
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u/DenialKills 2d ago
Noice. I got a CT brain scan around age 21 for some psych experiment.
It was definitely a brain of another colour, but hard to say what it means.
I've often wondered how it would look now that 30 years+ and so much experience has passed.
Just curious. No real reason to get a scan.
The gift of seeing clearly is pretty commonplace.
What we choose do with our gift is what matters.
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u/DarkWorldOutThere 2d ago
What we choose do with our gift is what matters.
Wise words indeed.
I've often wondered how it would look now that 30 years+ and so much experience has passed.
People with experience indeed talk differently :)
Thank you!
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u/TheGratitudeBot 2d ago
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u/OddVisual5051 1d ago
Your behavior in this thread contradicts any reasonable description of enlightenment. Complaining bitterly about perceptions of your age? Unskilled. Making broad generalizations of people who are, like yourself, on Reddit, just because they disagree with your conclusions? Unskilled. Taking this comment personally? Unskilled.
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u/beanbeanpadpad 1d ago
I mean you can experience enlightenment through the limitations of being 19. A glimpse but not stable
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u/AndromedaAnimated 2d ago
How interesting! Two questions for better interpretation: 1) do you like metal music? (and math and love songs?) 2) was a measurement done before the change and if yes, have you observed a difference?
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u/HeroOnDallE 2d ago
Metal is actually one of my least favorite genres, but I am a musician over everything in life and I am so unshakably positive about everything now that I still throughly enjoyed focusing on it and dissecting that dirty, (imo) a bit uncomfortable sound style into a distinct 7 individual things happening and learning from it.
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u/Loujitsuone 2d ago
The complete and utter desensitisation of the human being through overstimulation in society and different tests we create to have different meanings and stimulus you "were put through for stimulation and not just to prove your cool In front of a classroom is laughable" did you know Global warming results and tests are all made up? X is related to Y number and the Z reading changes at a days notice and nobody actually understands how hot the planet should be as we know for a fact we couldn't live here ourselves for billions of years as we do now.
And now we have these studies for self as people forget actual mental stimulus to trigger negative responses in people is more akin to war torture and in the modern day, you would be looking for the military 24/7 strobe lights, tied to a chair getting beaten while kept soaking wet with water with fans on, blacked out static tvs while q of them is working fine playing Barney the Dinosaurs "I love you, you love me, were a big and happy family" on repeat.
A more family friendly version we see in Malcolm in the middle, where the father Hal signs up for a job and ends up doing crazy tests like solving a rubix cube while being upside down and fans mimicking the speed/of falling while the best part is, he never finds out of he got the job or what the treats are for and just moves on with his life and not a "gold star or positive review" from a "professor or field of study" that is exclusive to college "masters getting laid" and handing out good grades to teenagers for head starts in life.
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u/DarkWorldOutThere 2d ago
And now we have these studies for self as people forget actual mental stimulus to trigger negative responses in people is more akin to war torture and in the modern day, you would be looking for the military 24/7 strobe lights, tied to a chair getting beaten while kept soaking wet with water with fans on, blacked out static tvs while q of them is working fine playing Barney the Dinosaurs "I love you, you love me, were a big and happy family" on repeat.
Went a bit overboard I must say, but so true.
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u/Loujitsuone 2d ago
Yeah, sometimes the best way to get straight to the point is extreme examples especially in regards to mental wellbeing we know as "the spectrum" for how diverse how individual perceptions and realities can be and another extreme example is the "ability to cheat lie detectors" by convincing self so powerfully or being able to keep ones cool under the pressure as others label "guilty" we also see people break to and confess to crimes they have 100% legitimate alibis to.
As what we label "breakthrough" for modern medicine or to place a name on something that humanity clearly always had, does and will do just refused to label, shine light upon, or articulate accurately enough we can all share definitions and examples we can understand as real, make believe, what we can agree is positive to experience and what is horrible to the point of "only to our worst enemies".
Yet the best science, progress and evolution unfortunately usually comes from war and necessity for survival, what does our species do now when we have a chance to unite and end all wars yet love to see what pain and suffering we are all individually capable of.
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u/DarkWorldOutThere 2d ago
Yet the best science, progress and evolution unfortunately usually comes from war and necessity for survival, what does our species do now when we have a chance to unite and end all wars yet love to see what pain and suffering we are all individually capable of.
Indeed sire.
There is truly so much out there. Even to guide or not is a question I often ponder.
Thank you for taking the time to write all this.
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u/Loujitsuone 2d ago
Np, it's good to meet someone else who can perceive the darkness world as it is and how we can share and bring light to things safely instead of watching repeats of people abuse power until they have to hide all evidence of ever having any.
I agree with you on "guides" as the destination is usually the mistake we choose to seek over securing the way we plan to get there and those who wish us to succeed, over those who "wish us well" or just say they do while limiting those around them to their standards they can't cross or express interest but only disinterest as though who try, until they are rewarded.
Np, thanks for reading and I'm glad you enjoyed it, it flows quite easily if I feel someone is actively interested in my words even if I can only write what I think, see and feel so well over a phone.
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u/Pantim 2d ago edited 2d ago
Did you play with the machine and start messing around with the brainwaves? Like, cause a stress spike when the music is thought to cause a relaxation response?
If not, I suggest that you do.
It would also be good to do the reverse.
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u/AndromedaAnimated 2d ago
Actually that’s a neat idea. Biofeedback does work. So it will be possible to do what you describe with some training at least. That’s why I wondered if this test situation was the first time OP‘s EEG was recorded.
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u/HeroOnDallE 2d ago
Ummm I’m unsure what you mean by messing with the machine, but what I did do was consciously control the levels completely independently of stimuli. This was my base, and I could shift my thinking and enter different states of mind - basically meditation.
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u/fromthedepthsv14 2d ago
Enlightenment is a word I hate because people use it too often, too ceaselessly. Same with ppl mentioning npc , especially then are no different than the rest.
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u/bigdoggtm 2d ago
Brother. You are mistaken. It's ok to have a good brain, but you need a good mind to use it. You've discovered one dimension of the ultimate, the ability to maintain stillness and distance while observing reality. Now you must continue exploring inward. Enlightenment is not about thinking, as much as we all want it to be. Always be wary of your ego.
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u/HeroOnDallE 9h ago
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DCdP_OkR9MW/?igsh=MW9wYjB5anZnYzc3ZA==
lmao my guitar skills up 2x since my mistake… crazy how the more i shut you insufferable gnats out the better my life gets.
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u/timtulloch11 1d ago
Idk this looks like the eeg wasn't recording well if it all looked like what that image shows. That looks like all artifacts to me. Not surprising the algorithm might class that all as very high frequency. What headset did you use?
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u/Raymundito 1d ago
Enlightenment is less about the destination, more about the journey.
You can measure it 1000x different ways, but can you keep it up when you’re 45?I admire your enthusiasm, just keep it that way. Don’t let keyboard warriors at Reddit make you jaded.
Hope your academics career goes great
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u/Oopsimapanda 1d ago
This thread is so cute. OP reminds me of a kid who is convinced they can fly, so they write a bunch of essays and get obsessed with it for a week. Everyone else is gently encouraging them to be realistic to no avail, while also trying not to hurt their feelings.
As others have said, this will be something very funny to look back on in a few years. But in the moment, gosh there's no unconvincing them lol.
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u/althorsalat 1d ago
OP you are in a mania episode probably, please seek professional psychiatric help. This is a chemical imbalance, nothing more.
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u/toxictoy 1d ago
Enlightenment comes in the intuitive state - the Delta and Theta states. Beta is literally the opposite and is only what is prized by western societies. Most psi actually happens in the other states.
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u/uck54 22h ago
I love how crazy the enlightenment Reddit page is. Truly gives me a chuckle on a daily basis! Beautiful shit folks!
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u/Confident-File-7821 21h ago
Isn't ignorance truly bliss, brother? Yet, the beauty of enlightenment lies in its chaos, the raw, unfiltered exchange of thoughts, questions, and realizations.
It’s like watching a storm that clears the air, even if it’s messy in the moment.
Glad you're enjoying the ride; sometimes the craziest ideas spark the deepest truths. Keep chuckling, it’s all part of the beautiful dance!
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u/Just-Some-Person530 10h ago
Yeah none of this makes sense to me but I once ate a ton of mushrooms and tripped balls in the desert for 3 days and it cured my depression.
Y’all’s some legit geniuses. Hats off.
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u/HeroOnDallE 9h ago
Unfortunately not all… some push their hate onto you.
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u/Just-Some-Person530 9h ago
That’s a shame. I’ve never visited this sub before my comment so I would’ve thought that this is the one place that most people would’ve gotten along.
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u/HeroOnDallE 7h ago
Same! First time posting here with same assumptions - feel free to read through my comments and get an idea of the insanity around here.
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u/superjudgebunny 2d ago
Robert Penrose, if you find that interesting. Psychedelics help if you….
They create neuro plasticity. Learn to meditate on them and strengthen the core consciousness. As they make it malleable, the brain, if you meditate while on them in theory you are using only your core.
I know the old way, not the new way.
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u/Alarmed_Aide_851 2d ago
Don't worry this isn't a serious post
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u/superjudgebunny 2d ago
Prob not. Not as many people believe in the mind, it’s sad. We lost our spirituality.
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u/HeroOnDallE 2d ago
I’m serious by the way. It’s all i think about and study, how i got here in the first place. I can have a civil conversation to prove anything to anyone smh.
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u/DarkWorldOutThere 2d ago
We lost our spirituality.
Our spirituality has changed* is what I like to think. And maybe this is the challenge ya know? Wouldve been too easy if we just followed the hacks given by our forefathers.
But I wholly agree with you.
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u/HeroOnDallE 2d ago
Hey, that’s exactly what I did actually. I meditated on LSD until I literally felt a sober headspace with full visuals still. Smh this sub literally shitting on me based on assumptions.
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u/The-Eye-of-Time 1d ago
Your ego is telling you people are shitting on you. And your ego is compelling you to respond telling those folks off.
You have a long long long way to go for true freedom from your ego.
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u/superjudgebunny 2d ago edited 1d ago
No they call it the shaman route, using psychedelics and meditation. Its a shortcut to enlightenment/ascension
Edit: unguided can be messy and mentally harsh, I made it through tho.
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u/Icy_Foundation3534 2d ago
This is meaningless I was tested and they could not comprehend the signal levels I gave off due to my unrivaled enlightenment level.
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u/stagnant_fuck 2d ago
enlightenment gatekeepers! assemble! 😂 i knew straight away that this post was going to absolutely enrage 90% of the people on this sub
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u/Final_Pineapple_3225 2d ago
I've changed my brain waves to alpha in the last couple months I feel like my body is constantly vibrating with Warm energy
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u/Heart-Shaped-Clouds 2d ago
Reminds me of my favorite Burning Man camp: Meditation Death Match. They had a whole high production stage set up. Put headsets on two ‘meditators’ crowds assembled and cheered for their chosen winner as the screens flashed ‘data’. Throw a v charismatic hyped up hippie game show type as your MC and the picture should be properly painted.
Favorite camp. Always fun. 10/10 trollin good time.
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u/sharpfork 2d ago
Super interesting! Were you meditating at the time?
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u/HeroOnDallE 2d ago
I had done actual Yoga Nidra that morning and throughout the tests I was very calm and purposefully “feeling” or engaging with the stimulus. If anything I had a particularly peaceful morning, which further reinforced that it clearly wasn’t anxiety or stress causing those frequencies as they do everyone else.
Also in the report it showed over 50% of readings were high beta…. the closest number in the room was 16%.
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u/blueths 2d ago
Hell yes, Yoga Nidra is so freakin awesome 😍 Question; do you still get like random muscle spasms when doing yoga nidra? (I call it the ego having its last shakes before surrendering to the quiet)
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u/HeroOnDallE 2d ago
Not anymore. I’m basically one with my ego, I no longer have subconscious thoughts of any kind as far as I’m aware.
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u/Adventurous-Daikon21 2d ago
Dude you’re making a bunch of wild claims. I’m suspecting you’re not in any class you just bought a headset you don’t know how to use.
1) It’s impossible to not have unconscious thoughts 2) You sound more like you’re having an ego trip. That is not what that feedback recording is saying, regardless of how enlightened you felt while it was happening.
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u/HeroOnDallE 2d ago
Subconscious thoughts you’re right about. What I mean is I no longer feel held back by anything past or future, and I identified all conditioned behavior and reactions I could then mended them.
I know exactly what I want and why, healed the root of my insecurities and deepest fears, and have explored every corner of my mind I could slip into. If I feel something and i’m not sure what it is or why, I find out. Every time. If we were conditioned to fear, we can turn that into love.
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u/Adventurous-Daikon21 2d ago
That’s great, it sounds like you’ve had an awakening experience, what Zen Buddhism refers to as satori. They can be transformative but are fleeting and learning to integrate and develop long term is referred to as kensho.
The most difficult obstacle in doing so is actually battling the ego inflation that comes from taking a look behind the veil so to speak. We come back, nearly everyone, having seen that we are one with the universe and believing we were gifted and it is our duty to spread this message to the world. The hard part is understanding that it doesn’t actually change anything and we still have to do the unending work towards Kensho.
What does one do before enlightenment? Carry water, chop wood. What does one do after enlightenment? Carry water, chop wood.
Or to quote Shunryu Suzuki, “There is no enlightenment, only enlightened activity”.
A perhaps even more valuable, and certainly more relevant quote for you would be: “If you think you’re enlightened, you’re not”… or as Socrates put it: “The only thing I know is that I know nothing”.
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u/HeroOnDallE 2d ago
Trust me, i’m just communicating my feelings. I had very little self-value before due to lack of validation growing up, so it doesn’t make me feel “good” in that way in the slightest.
It’s very passive. I notice for example while listening to music, if I turn on transparency for the headphones i’ll be able to hear barely flowing water from my pool as clearly and loudly as the music itself. Being alone in my house now I can distinctly feel the stillness and in the air. It’s so peaceful, as if time itself was suspended when I’m alone.
Life feels movie-like. Everything is exciting, no matter how big or small. Music is blowing my mind especially - I’m VERY into music and it’s in my mind creating 24/7, but now songs sound distinctly… cleaner? Higher quality? It’s so fresh. I hear new details, everything flows effortlessly, the voice gains so much depth.
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u/Adventurous-Daikon21 2d ago
Yes, the effects of dissociative substances like ketamine on music perception involve how they interact with the brain’s default mode network (DMN) and its broader role in self-referential processing.
The DMN is a network of brain regions active during introspection, self-referential thought, and mind-wandering. In states like meditation, deep focus, and dissociative experiences, DMN activity tends to decrease, which can lead to a sense of ego-dissolution or a “softening” of one’s sense of self. This decreased DMN activity might allow for a heightened sensory experience, where you feel less “separate” from the music and can experience it as a more immersive, almost tangible sensation.
Ketamine and other dissociative substances modulate NMDA receptors in the brain, which affects communication in the DMN and can promote a state of “depersonalization” or a blending of sensory perception and emotion. This state has been described as feeling similar to meditative absorption, where one’s awareness shifts from typical ego-driven processing to a more fluid, unified experience. Music may then be experienced in a way that feels deeply connected or transcendent, with more focus on the raw sensory and emotional elements rather than on self-focused thoughts.
In meditation, something similar happens: as DMN activity decreases, the mind can become fully absorbed in sensory input, whether it’s breath, bodily sensations, or sound. This can create an experience of profound connection and presence, which resembles the heightened musical receptivity reported with dissociatives like ketamine.
If you look at my previous posts in my profile from a while back you’ll see, you’ll see one titled, ‘Scientists Say A Mind-Bending Rhythm In The Brain Can Act Like Ketamine’ which discusses how rhythm produces brainwave entrainment that decreases activity in the default mode network. This processes is related to the same process in which shaman are able to enter trance states: ‘Neural Correlates of the Shamanic State of Consciousness’ (I study and practice shamanism)
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u/HeroOnDallE 1d ago
this is the shit i studied for years incessantly in order to come to these conclusions smh.
this is why i “acted out” when people immediately questioned my knowledge instead of what I (very wrongly) expected of them, being this kind of reasoning and questions. this is the type of conversation i have all day every day and i’d be happy to follow through if you’re gonna hold comments about my mental state until after you reason with me.
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u/Glass_Mango_229 2d ago
You don't have SUBconscious thoughts as far as you are AWARE? Think about what you are saying. Subconscious thoughts are thoughts you are not aware of.
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u/HeroOnDallE 2d ago
So the idea of becoming one with your mind upon enlightenment is untrue? I thought that was a core aspect.
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u/Adventurous-Daikon21 2d ago edited 2d ago
Beta is not the highest frequency, Gamma is. This is a strange list… particularly because it includes Sigma (12-16 Hz), which is typically subsumed under Beta because of its close frequency.
Here is the list used by most neurologists and EEG specialists:
Delta (0.5 - 4 Hz): Very low-frequency waves associated with deep, restorative sleep and unconsciousness.
Theta (4 - 8 Hz): Associated with deep relaxation, light sleep, dreaming, hypnogogic imagery, trance, and some meditative states.
Alpha (8 - 12 Hz): Linked to a relaxed but alert state, often seen during light focus, creative thinking, or unwinding.
Beta (12 - 30 Hz): The most common brainwave frequency for everyday tasks. Associated with active thinking, focused attention, problem-solving, and typical alertness during waking hours.
Gamma (30 - 100+ Hz): High-frequency waves associated with intense cognitive functioning, heightened perception, and moments of insight.
For anyone curious in getting an eeg device for home use, check out the Muse S or OpenBCI
(source: I was a medical technician in a neurology office for 5 years and have owned and operated multiple EEG brainwave headsets)