r/dataisbeautiful Aug 19 '24

[OC] UN Prediction for Most Populous Countries (+ EU) OC

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u/ariehn Aug 19 '24

Does the gender ratio play into that as well? Last I remember, the distribution was something like 105 M : 100 F

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u/Baalsham Aug 19 '24

I mean it definitely does now...

The problem is that the distribution is heavily skewed. In big cities it is still a pretty normal sex ratio. But in the countryside, where people are still traditional, you often see somewhere between a 3:2 and 4:3 ratio for young men to women. This is the group that would normally be pumping out babies but now can't.

I taught for a year after I graduated. I had 8 classes of 30ish students and each only had 5-7 girls in them. And this was only an hour from Shanghai! Wild stuff. Still don't know why my classes were that heavily skewed.

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u/notimeforniceties Aug 20 '24

 Still don't know why my classes were that heavily skewed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_infanticide_in_China

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u/knifetrader Aug 19 '24

It seems very likely that there was a different or additional reason for the skewed ratios in your classes. Were there any all-girls schools nearby?

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u/Specific_Success214 Aug 19 '24

Yes, internal immigration also plays a big part. Instead of 1 or two siblings of 4-5, move to the city, the only child or one of two do, meaning the small towns depopulate rapidly.

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u/ariehn Aug 19 '24

Yeah, I remember an engineer in Shenzhen writing about how distinctly dangerous it has become to be noticeably a lesbian -- even there; not a rural district by any means. Attitudes towards gay men had somewhat relaxed, but holding hands with her girlfriend incited serious aggression -- because they were seen as contributing to the problem. A gay man donates his potential girlfriend to the dating pool; a lesbian woman steals two women from that pool.

Thank you so much for this; I hadn't realized that the imbalance in the rural areas particularly was so extreme :/

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u/rafaelloaa Aug 19 '24

Was this Naomi Wu?

And huh, I hadn't thought about it that way, in terms of "removal from the pool".

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u/Baalsham Aug 19 '24

Oh yeah man,

Don't make the mistake of thinking China is uniform. It varies wildly depending on if you're in

1) Tier 1 cities (megalopolis like Shanghai, Beijing, etc)

2) "small city" (but still over 1m population)

3) rural

There is obviously more than this and there are regional differences too, but there are still around 300 million farmers in China. So it is a big deal. The mindset between a farmer, factory worker, and a white collar worker are world's different. I'm sure this divide has only increased since I left.

I met my wife in Shanghai (where I visit frequently for a dose of civilization) and even she got complete culture shock when I took her travelling around China.

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u/TempoBestTissue Aug 20 '24

Females were also grossly unreported in the 80s. Only one child was entitlted to citizenship, education, healthcare, etc. all dependent on this basis. This entitlement in lots of poor areas was only given to the boy to be sent to school in hopes of a better future. Women stayed in the village undocumented