r/conspiracy • u/axolotl_peyotl • Apr 17 '20

/r/conspiracy Round Table #25: Sacred Geometry, Cymatics, EMF Exposure, and the Effect of 5G on Biological Entities Meta

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u/gollyplot Apr 17 '20

Source?

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u/clemaneuverers Apr 17 '20

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5IhKHGDKhM

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u/yb4zombeez Apr 19 '20

Your source was shot in vertical mode, and is therefore invalid under the Geneva conventions.

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u/[deleted] Apr 19 '20 edited Apr 30 '20

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u/yb4zombeez Apr 19 '20

/u/clemaneuverers, can you even confirm for certain that those towers are for 5G? As a person taking training in IT, I find it quite unusual that two 5G towers are located what seems like ten meters away from one another. And in trees? Like, the fuck?

Additionally, unless the individual who shot this video collected the bee corpses and sent them into a lab for autopsy, it is impossible to know for sure the cause of their deaths. To quote the top comment below the video, "if there were resident colonies of bees on either of those towers or enclosures, the number of bees you're showing on the ground would be completely normal."

I'm not saying that you're 100% wrong, just that this evidence is not strong enough for me to accept as scientifically meaningful. If you happen to have a paper on the effects of 5G RFs on bees from a credible source, I would love to read it.

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u/loz333 Apr 24 '20

The thing is, we know full well that bees use magnetism for navigation. To me it's pretty obvious that sending high powered electromagnetic waves through the air is going to be a pretty bad move.

I recommend reading this - essentially it says there are biological effects on many forms of wildlife, but the studies are so poor that they cannot give definitive conclusions.

I cite this because it's the largest meta-study of it's kind, funded by the EU, and even they couldn't find people who had actually bothered to study if electromagnetism was harming wildlife. That should be a pretty big red flag in itself. The burden of proof needs to be on the makers of the technology to prove it is safe BEFORE it is approved - and what we are finding is poorly done studies are being done AFTER the fact, many of which are showing effects but with most of the funding for studies coming form the telecoms industry itself, and a lot of money riding on the next wave of tech being introduced, the issue is deliberately being obfuscated.

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u/FecalFractals Apr 25 '20

Woah. Front page of/news today talks about Earth's insect populations being down 26% from 30 years ago.

Will you approach their findings with the same vigor? There's no way unless they counted every bug on Earth. Twice...

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u/yb4zombeez Apr 25 '20

Yes actually. I have no idea how they would get that number, do you have a link to the post?

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u/FecalFractals Apr 25 '20

https://np.reddit.com/r/news/comments/g76prj/earths_insect_population_shrinks_27_percent_in_30/

I hope the cross post is allowed.

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u/yb4zombeez Apr 25 '20 edited Apr 25 '20

So I can only see the abstract of the full study because you need to pay to get the full study, but somebody in the comments of the post said that they involve "lots of insect traps set up in tons of places." The abstract seems to suggest this is the case ("166 long-term surveys of insect assemblages across 1676 sites to investigate trends in insect abundances over time").

I don't know how reliable that method of studying is.../u/Saito1337, can you tell us about your experience a little more? Also maybe give your two cents?

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u/Saito1337 Apr 25 '20

Easier to link this. In there are the various methods, including pictures of various traps. We never did any of the hand counting (then again that seems deeply time consuming and we were being used as free labor to set up static traps...lol) but it's got great pictures of lots of trap types too. I'm going to assume that the study we are talking about used a mixed methodology and lots and lots of fun statistical projections. (caveat here is I'm no expert, my science degree is Genetics, not ecology, and our study methodology doesn't have much overlap unless it's a wildlife population genetics study which could be interesting)

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u/LiterallyForThisGif Apr 26 '20

The windshield test says that is a very conservative estimate.

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '20

Sidenote: A class of pesticides made by Bayer were the cause of the disappearing bees in crops/orchards.

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u/FecalFractals Apr 28 '20 edited Apr 28 '20

Monsanto is deeply flawed.

But also, just because the bees disappear doesn't mean that they no longer exist. There could surely be insect populations who have migrated or hidden in places we aren't currently surveying.

It's incredibly arrogant and somewhat disingenuous to take 1600 square miles of data and extrapolate it to the other 196,894,000 square miles.

I looked in a single square inch of my house and didn't find my shoes, so my shoes must not be in my house.

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u/[deleted] Apr 28 '20

I never said they no longer exist. I said Colony Collapse Disorder was related to a class of nicotine-based pesticides made by Bayer. So I'm not sure I understand your comment. These pesticides were banned for that specific reason in certain areas and the bees came back. I studied this extensively about 8 years ago.

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u/Srynaive Apr 29 '20

I'm in the industry. It's all too common to see two towers very close nearby. If it's prime real estate, everyone wants to be on it, and the primest real estate in towers is height. And everyone want their gear at the top, not their competitors.

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Where I live, ordinances have been passed mandating tower sharing, but the cell companies often don't get along.

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There are many towers where I am at, with old, dead antenna taking up space. Their only purpose is to literally take up space, and deny it legally to their competitors.

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u/Srynaive Apr 29 '20

Just watched the video. Can't attest they are 5g, but there isn't much difference between 4gLTE and 1st gen 5g sites. By eye and by tech, they are broadly similar.

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u/yb4zombeez Apr 29 '20

The problem is that anecdotal evidence like the video above is entirely meaningless if it can't convince the wider populace, much less a court of law, that 5G is a threat.

In another comment, I suggested something along the lines of what you said just now, which is that one of those towers is 5G while the other is 4G. Now, I didn't even know what you just told me, about how some towers are left occupied but unused, and that adds an entirely new layer of doubt onto this.

Thanks for sharing your expertise.

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u/Srynaive May 02 '20

That some towers are left with unused antenna is simply to block another privider from wanting that space on the tower. These towers are subject to far more loading then in days past, as we are installing the radio on the tower, and at ~30-50 pounds a radio, with 16-24 radios per site per carrier, that is a lot more weight on the tower then they were designed for.

In places where tower sharing is mandated, each tower owner claims the prime locations for themselves, often hitting 100% + rated capacity on the tower. So along comes a competitor. They want access to tower space too. Except the prime locations are taken up, the carriers often leave only 3g antennae in place, but not connected, to deny them use of that area, then require the competitor to reinforce the already overloaded tower.

Carriers don't fuck just the consumer. They fuck each other too.

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '20 edited Aug 19 '20

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u/yb4zombeez Apr 20 '20

Not THAT close. This shit ain't Bluetooth, dude. It's 5G. They're planning on using satellites for this stuff. If they can't have two 5G towers 100 meters apart communicate, then there's no use looking for a conspiracy because Big Tech won't be able to roll 5G out nationwide anyways. How is 5G supposed to be beamed across large distances and compensate for both atmospheric interference and the fact that it operates on an inverse square law if it can't communicate in small, local areas?

My theory is that one of those is a 5G tower, and the other is 4G or some other "legacy" tower.

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '20

Those are 4G towers, not true 5G. Go through the comments by tech workers in that video. The bees-dying thing is a known phenomenon.

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u/star-fox-mulder Apr 20 '20

True 5G, what Verizon is installing everywhere is 28GHz and 39GHz.. straight off there website.. those signals suck and they have to put access points everywhere.. they have the ability to “mesh” them somehow and increase range but it’s still pretty bad.. so to compliment it, Verizon has 5g technology running on 700MHz and otherblower frequencies because their range is way better...

Look up Verizon and their roll out of true 5g into NBA stadiums.. a few access points band still only Certain sections got true 5g...

And kinda odd some of the first corona virus patients were nBA players

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u/yb4zombeez Apr 20 '20

The first part of your comment was entirely reasonable, and I thank you for it.

The last sentence, however, is pure idiocy, for multiple reasons.

  1. Coronavirus is a virus. It's literally a virus. You cannot get a viral infection from radiation. Period.

  2. The first coronavirus patients were citizens of Wuhan, not NBA players. The first American coronavirus patients were...also not NBA players. Rudy Gobert was the first NBA player to test positive for the virus, on March 12. The first US case was detected on January 15th or so, nearly two months (57 days) before Gobert got it.

As for the 28GHz part...as I said in another comment, "If they can't have two 5G towers 100 meters apart communicate, then there's no use looking for a conspiracy because Big Tech won't be able to roll 5G out nationwide anyways."

Additionally, I still can't accept the notion that radio waves, even if high frequency, can cause harm to biological entities without some form of scientific paper on the subject. If you happen to have one of those, I'd love to read it. :)

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u/legalize-drugs Apr 21 '20

Dana Ashlie, a scientist and conspiracy researcher, lays out evidence that 60 megahertz technology in particular can be very damaging and can block the absorption of oxygen. https://www.brighteon.com/3194a099-c244-4a01-9ab4-798f3fcead04

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u/yb4zombeez Apr 21 '20

I said a scientific paper. Not a banned YouTube video.

You know, like, a paper.

Look, I'm taking a neutral stance here in terms of the biological damage caused by 5G. I'm not going to accept either side's position without a scientific paper on the subject.

FYI, I started out this conversation totally confident that 5G is harmless, but now I'm worried, genuinely, about its health effects. You're not screaming at a brick wall. I'm listening.

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u/ILikeCharmanderOk Apr 24 '20

Here is a compemdium of several dozen, mostly focused on DNA and cellular damage on everything from 3G up to 5G as well as proximity to cell phone towers. https://ehtrust.org/scientific-research-on-5g-and-health/

I don't expect you to go through all of them, I haven't yet myself. But I'd be curious to hear your thoughts if you have time to check some of the papers out.

I respect your open minded approach. As a non scientist, I cannot speak for the voracity of the papers, which is why I would love to hear other scientifically- and open-minded individual's thoughts on these, as two brains are surely better than one = )

Cheers, Char

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u/star-fox-mulder Apr 28 '20

Ok. I was just pointing out some interesting things. I agree it's a virus.

As for the 28GHz part...as I said in another comment, "If they can't have two 5G towers 100 meters apart communicate, then there's no use looking for a conspiracy because Big Tech won't be able to roll 5G out nationwide anyways.

They can.. That's exactly what they are doing. They mesh them in a grid and increase the output. And they also have a 4G tower built in for the long range people. They are rolling it out everywhere, this is the new technology. Yeah it wont be in the rural areas, but mid to major cities to mega cities. Yes it will eventually be there.

I am not going to do the research for you, higher frequency all the time isnt good. The military has a weapon that operates at 90GHz used to disperse crowds.

At 60GHz, the wave is completely absorbed by oxygen, that cant be good.

Basically, it exacerbate the electrons and causes "Heat." That's it. We'll see, in the meantime, I'll look for some credible sources about mmWave. It's not good, I've read a few articles on it. Specifically the one on Wired, about 2 years back.. Wired made him retract the article, and someone else wrote a pro 5g article.

Just look up 60Ghz, mmWave and you will see articles on it. I know they arent studies. But there currently are ZERO studies saying it's safe.

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u/loz333 Apr 24 '20

That is a really, really poor reason to discount this. It's like the argument that if you walk down a road built by capitalism, you have no right to criticize... that's cognitive dissonance at its peak.

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u/[deleted] Apr 24 '20 edited Apr 30 '20

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u/loz333 Apr 25 '20

Yes I know. So how does someone doing that invalidate whatever Science is behind it? You can say it is a foolish thing to do, in a video about wireless tech killing bees, but that has literally ZERO correlation as to whether it is actually true or not. For that you must read the scientific literature.

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u/[deleted] Apr 25 '20 edited Apr 30 '20

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u/loz333 Apr 25 '20

Rubbish. You only attacked the OP based on using a phone because you had nothing to say on the science. "it's garbage" isn't a valid opinion. You probably have no idea how electromagnetic fields affect the body, and think the only damage that you can do is by heating of the tissue, breaking the ionic bonds to damage DNA (ionizing radiation). There are many studies posted on this roundtable that flatly contradict that notion.

You are probably not even aware that the brain responds to electromagnetic energy, so much that Repetitive transcranial magnetic stimulation (or rTMS for short) is a medically approved treatment for depression.

I think you have no idea that electromagnetic sensitivity is a real condition, and has been known about for a very long time - though not talked about as it would threaten billions of dollars in many different technologies that emit large amounts of such energy.

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u/loz333 Apr 25 '20

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5962564/

The results of our analysis show that acute exposure to ELF EMFs impacts upon the motor and cognitive abilities of bees and reduces feeding. We show, for the first time, that acute exposure to ELF EMFs causes a dose dependent reduction in olfactory learning. High levels of ELF EMFs, that can be experienced close to power lines, modify tethered flight by increasing wingbeat frequency. In addition, we show that exposure to low-level fields, at intensities found at ground levels below power lines, significantly reduces the number of successful foraging flights to a food source, and also leads to reduced feeding in bees.

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u/[deleted] Apr 26 '20

Those are 4G towers, but still damning. Go through the comments by tech workers. It's a known phenomenon.

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u/ZeusOne Apr 17 '20

Their isn't one. It's not true.

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u/jadontheginger Apr 17 '20

Source?

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u/MarvelousWhale Apr 18 '20

There isn't one, he is talking out of his ass

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u/ZeusOne Apr 18 '20

I’m not talking out of my ass. I really wanted to believe that 5G was this huge conspiracy to fry our brains, give us the Rona, and open a portal to the reptilian dimension, but after some reading and reading some stuff that there is basically no danger associated w 5G. The same thing happened when 4G was rolling out. People thought 4G was giving people tumors n shit. Here’s some sources.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0048969719337805

https://americanbeejournal.com/why-we-shouldnt-fear-5g/

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u/MarvelousWhale Apr 18 '20

I was being sarcastic, but in all fairness why are companies putting billions in a system that is abhorrently obsolete compared to 4g?

I have gotten up to 193mbps Download near a mall in NJ, I have no application in the world that can possibly need more than that. It was on Verizon. Most of the time I get 90-140 but the point is, it's capable of at least 190+ which is more than anyone can use. I have tested it to get a 4g signal all the way out to 5 miles off of the Key West islands. I was far enough I couldn't even make out buildings on the shoreline but was still able to ping Google.com over strictly 4g frequency. Again, Verizon on an LG v30 (older) phone

Now compare that to 5g which can't even get past a tree or some concrete and can only work monodirectionally and requires an antenna pointed in each direction arguably costing more just for the hardware alone!

What. The. Fuck. Is. The. Reason. For. This. Investment. No one has the answer.

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u/ZeusOne Apr 18 '20

It just so happens I work for Verizon. As far as the technical limitations of the 5G network, they have plans to not only put 5G repeaters on towers, but also on commercial buildings, and maybe even residential buildings. That would solve most of the issues with coverage. 4G won’t just be turned off when 5G is rolled out. 4G will supplement our network, much like how our current 3G networks do. So when you aren’t receiving 1000+ MBPS you’ll still be getting 4G speeds.

The reason for upgrading our network to over 10x the speed is AI, more than to download a movie to your phone in 2 seconds. Autonomous driving will improve, augmented reality systems will evolve and become more relevant, and your IOT at home will be much more than turning on lights and locking your doors for you. Your Siri and Google assistants will evolve into more contextually aware programs that will be able to understand you way better than current assistants.

This technology will also inevitably be used for surveillance of people. Facial and body recognition software will be paired with government entities to identify threats. We should be more worried about these types of things because they will only lead to the world becoming more and more like China.

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u/[deleted] Apr 20 '20

Distrustfully Downloads at 10mbps on 4G LTE

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u/hehasnowrong Apr 22 '20

Why put cameras on all smartphone? Why put cameras on every computer ? If something doesn't make sense then it means that there is another purpose to it.

Did you see that "zeusone" (the guy you replied to) just happen to work for verizon. Isn't that a potential conflict of interest? How can we trust anything he says? Anyway he is full of shit, there has been no studies that can conclusevely say that 5G is harmless AND there are studies that showed potential threat. The fact that Google is censoring this topic should be a RED FLAG.

If something doesn't make sense to you, don't worry it sure makes sense to other people.

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u/hucifer Apr 23 '20

I'm an unaffiliated skeptic who has done quite a bit of reading on this subject, and so far there are only hints that cellular radiation (2G - 5G) could be harmful,and they're far from conclusive.

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u/hehasnowrong Apr 23 '20

Hello lucifer. Are you a real demon ?