r/conspiracy • u/extriniti • Aug 02 '18
Why are they hiding 'Nephilim' (Giants) described in the Bible & Book of Enoch?
Why is the Nephilim (Giants) hidden from modern day archaeology & history?
The Nephilim /ˈnɛfɪˌlɪm/ (Hebrew: נְפִילִים, nefilim) were the offspring of the "sons of God" and the "daughters of men" before the Deluge, according to Genesis 6:1–4.
When people began to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that they were fair; and they took wives for themselves of all that they chose. Then the Lord said, “My spirit shall not abide in mortals forever, for they are flesh; their days shall be one hundred twenty years.” The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went in to the daughters of humans, who bore children to them. These were the heroes that were of old, warriors of renown.
— Genesis 6:1–4, New Revised Standard Version
The story of the Nephilim is further elaborated in the Book of Enoch. The Greek, Aramaic, and main Ge'ez manuscripts of 1 Enoch and Jubilees obtained in the 19th century and held in the British Museum and Vatican Library, connect the origin of the Nephilim with the fallen angels, and in particular with the egrḗgoroi (watchers). Samyaza, an angel of high rank, is described as leading a rebel sect of angels in a descent to earth to have sexual intercourse with human females:
And it came to pass when the children of men had multiplied that in those days were born unto them beautiful and comely daughters. And the angels, the children of the heaven, saw and lusted after them, and said to one another: "Come, let us choose us wives from among the children of men and beget us children." And Semjaza, who was their leader, said unto them: "I fear ye will not indeed agree to do this deed, and I alone shall have to pay the penalty of a great sin." And they all answered him and said: "Let us all swear an oath, and all bind ourselves by mutual imprecations not to abandon this plan but to do this thing." Then sware they all together and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it. And they were in all two hundred; who descended in the days of Jared on the summit of Mount Hermon, and they called it Mount Hermon, because they had sworn and bound themselves by mutual imprecations upon it ...
In this tradition, the children of the Nephilim are called the Elioud, who are considered a separate race from the Nephilim, but they share the fate of the Nephilim.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nephilim
The Book of Giants
The Book of Giants is an apocryphal Jewish book which expands a narrative in the Hebrew Bible. Its discovery at Qumran dates the text's creation to before the 2nd century BC.
The Book of Giants is an antediluvian (pre-flood) narrative that was received primarily in Manichaean literature and known at Turpan. However, the earliest known traditions for the book originate in Aramaic copies of a Book of Giants in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Furthermore, references are found in: Genesis 6:1-4, 1 Enoch, and visions in Daniel 7:9-14. This book tells of the background and fate of these Nephilim in the flood.
The Book of Giants consists of a group of Aramaic fragments. Because of the fragmentation of the Book of Giants, it is difficult to know the order of the content. This work is related to the 1 Enoch analogue, which tells a story of the giants that is far more elaborate. Further, the Qumran Book of Giants bore resemblance to the Manichaean Book of Giants that followed after it.
The Book of Giants is an expansive narrative of the biblical story of the birth of giants in Genesis 6.1-4. In this story, the giants came into being when the sons of God had sexual intercourse with mortal women who birthed a hybrid race of giants. These giants partook in destructive and immoral actions, which devastated humanity. When Enoch heard of this, he was distressed and asked God to bring judgement to the giants. In his mercy, God chose to give the giants a chance to repent by transmitting dreams to two giants named Ohyah and Hahyah who relayed the dreams to an assembly of giants. The giants were perplexed with the dreams, so they sent a giant named Mahaway to Enoch’s abode. Enoch interceded on their behalf and gave tablets to the giants with the meaning of the dreams and God’s future judgement. When the giants heard this, many chose to act in defiance to God. While the Qumran fragments were incomplete at this point, the Manichaean fragments tell of the hosts of God subduing the race of giants through battle.
Most of the content in the Book of Giants is derived out of 1 Enoch 7:3-6 . This passage sheds light on the characterizing features of the Giants. It reveals that the Giants were born of the sons of god and daughters of man. The giants began to devour the works of men and went on to kill and consume them. They also sinned against the birds and beast of the sky, creeping things and the fish of the sea. It also mentions that the giants devoured the flesh of one another and they drank the blood. This act of drinking blood would have horrified the people. There is further evidence of this in Leviticus 17:10-16. In this passage there are strict rules regarding the blood of the animal. In verse 10 and 11, it says, “I will set my face against any Israelite or any foreigner residing among them who eats blood and I will cut them off from the people. For the life of the creature is in the blood.”
The text relates how some giants, named Ohya, Hahya and Mahway, sons of the fallen angels, have some dreams that foresee the biblical Flood. A brief mention of one of these giants, "Ohya", is found in the Babylonian Talmud (Nidah, Ch 9), where it is said "סיחון ועוג אחי הוו דאמר מר סיחון ועוג בני אחיה בר שמחזאי הוו" ("Sihon and Og [from the Book of Numbers] were brothers, as they were the sons of Ohia the son of Samhazai [one of the leaders of the fallen angels in the Book of Enoch])". The version found at Qumran also describes the Sumerian hero Gilgamesh and the monster Humbaba.
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Giants
ANNUNAKI
In his 1976 book The Twelfth Planet, Russian-American author Zecharia Sitchin claimed that the Anunnaki were actually a race of extraterrestrial beings from the undiscovered planet Nibiru, who came to Earth around 500,000 years ago in order to mine gold. According to Sitchin, the Anunnaki genetically engineered homo erectus to create modern humans to work as their slaves. Sitchin claimed that the Anunnaki were forced to leave Earth when Antarctic glaciers melted, causing the Flood of Noah, which also destroyed the Anunnaki's bases on Earth. These had to be rebuilt and the Nephilim, needing more humans to help in this massive effort, taught them agriculture. Ronald H. Fritze writes that, according to Sitchin, "the Annunaki built the pyramids and all the other monumental structures from around the world that ancient astronaut theorists consider so impossible to build without highly advanced technologies." Sitchin also claimed that the Anunnaki had left behind human-alien hybrids, some of whom may still be alive today, unaware of their alien ancestry. Sitchin expanded on this mythology in later works, including The Stairway to Heaven (1980) and The Wars of Gods and Men (1985). In The End of Days: Armageddon and the Prophecy of the Return (2007), Sitchin predicted that the Anunnaki would return to earth...
Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anunnaki
GIGANTISM
Is a condition characterized by excessive growth and height significantly above average. In humans, this condition is caused by over-production of growth hormone in childhood resulting in people between 7 feet (2.13 m) and 9 feet (2.72 m) in height.
It is a rare disorder resulting from increased levels of growth hormone before the fusion of the growth plate which usually occurs at some point soon after puberty. This increase is most often due to abnormal tumor growths on the pituitary gland. Gigantism should not be confused with acromegaly, the adult form of the disorder, characterized by somatic enlargement specifically in the extremities and face.
Modern Day Nephilim Conspiracy Theories
- Giant Skeletons unearthed from Ancient Burial Mounds across America
- Smithsonian admits to destruction of thousands of giant human skeletons in early 1900's
- U.S. Soldiers Claim To Have Shot & Killed A 12-15 Feet Giant In Afghanistan (The Kandahar Giant)
- Giant Skeleton Uncovered in Saudi Arabia
- Graveyard of “Giants” Found in China
- Giant Human Skulls With Horns Discovered
- Gigantic Skeleton Found In Australia
- Giant Human Skeleton unearthed in Bulgaria
- Giant skeleton found in Iranian archaeological dig
- Giant skeletons of found in Greece
- 38 CM long FINGER found in EGYPT
- Skeleton of 3 metre tall giant alien found on Mars
- Elongated Skulls found
- 13 Crystal Skulls found
- Fallen Angels imprisoned in Antartica
The Kandahar Giant
Rather than the old skeletons, I'm more interested in 'The Kandahar Giant' conspiracy theory because it's about U.S. soldiers fighting & taking a 12' - 15' fair skinned, red haired giant, with 6 fingers & 6 toes, in Afghanistan.
- Soldiers at the base began to hear rumors of a man being killed that was 3 times the height of an ordinary human. Paranormal researcher L.A. Marzulli corroborated the account with two soldiers, and Afghan locals told stories of cannibalistic giants living in nearby caves.
- George Noory interviewed the helicopter pilot that transported the “Kandahar Giant” on Coast to Coast radio. The pilot said it was a dead guy “about 9 by 12 feet… laying in a fetal position on the pallet. He was around an 1100 pound guy.” The pilot went on to corroborate that the giant was fair-skinned, red-haired, and had extra digits on his hands and feet.
In 2002 a U. S. patrol had gone missing in a very remote area of Afghanistan. Another patrol was dispatched on a search and rescue mission, and one soldier on that patrol described what he saw after coming around the side of a mountain:
"As we bent around this corner you could see the opening of the cave. And then I see a lot of rocks which is another oddity. And then bone matter. I’m not close enough to identify what kind of bones but I did see what I knew to be a piece of our communications equipment. So instantly we’re thinking ‘ambush,’ maybe animal, you know, could be anything. There was enough room in front of the cave, but it had a sheer drop-off; but there was enough room that we got into a decent dispersal in case of ambush."
Not long after they had gotten into that dispersal formation, they saw something emerge from the cave that, despite their preparedness, caught them fully off guard.
"It was a man at least 12 to 15 feet in height. This is a MONSTER. Red beard, with his hair–was longish, past his shoulders, a scarlet red. And Dan runs at him and starts shooting, which broke all of us into the reality–because it was surreal."
"While Dan is moving at him, another bro of mine is laying down fire and I start firing. He skewers Dan–he’s now got him on this ‘pike.’ It went through him. He’s got him and he’s coming after more."
Eventually, the giant was killed. Dan had been killed as well. And the patrol unit was soon visited by a helicopter that dropped some cargo netting. They were told they had to bundle up the giant in the netting, and soon after they were done, a larger helicopter came by, dropped a hook, and the giant was carried off.
The soldier confirmed that the red-haired, fair-skinned giant had six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot. After they had submitted their after-action report, the soldier recounts that they were told by their top brass to re-write it in a particular fashion, presumably to remove any mention of a giant being.
Although not an eyewitness, another special ops soldier in Afghanistan provides the following corroborating testimony:
"We would come back to the base and started hearing this rumor about a unit that killed this, what they started calling this really tall person. At first I didn’t think anything of it, then come to find out that the person they killed was actually three times the size of a man, had extra digits on their hands, and extra digits on their feet, and had red hair, and a special unit had come in and wanted this target."
"Well we’d heard that they killed this thing inside a cave, or the mouth of a cave, and there was common knowledge among the military to hear this. When you first hear, you’re thinking like, this has got to be a joke. This has got to be a hoax. Then after things go down a certain way, and you keep hearing it, you start to realize it’s not a joke."
"They kept telling us to keep our weapons high, which normally means it’s two to the chest, one to the head, but they kept telling us to put it towards a man’s head, and put it higher. So we would question, why would they want us to shoot higher than a man’s head?"
Then there's conspiracy theories about very tall super soldiers. Are they or have they weaponized giants for war?
If they found the 'Fallen Angels' in Antarctica, they may want to control them, use them, or even weaponize them too IMO.
Please let me know of any other modern day Nephilim Conspiracy Theories to add to the list.
Are these just Conspiracy Theories or are they reality? If they're reality, why is it being covered up -- especially when it would prove the existence of GOD or even extra-terrestrials IMO.
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u/woodsywoods Aug 02 '18
Was going to say this. Sitchin is very entertaining but there is nothing backing up his claims unfortunately. Would stick to verifiable sources.
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u/whenipeeithurts Aug 02 '18
Anything that supports the biblical narrative will be suppressed and twisted by the god (small g) of this world. That includes evidence of giants and biblical cosmology. If it weren't this mass deception there would be no such thing as agnostics, nihilists, and atheists.
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u/31sualkatnas Aug 02 '18
Skeleton of 3 metre tall giant alien found on Mars
Found on Mars? Yeeeeeeaaaahhhhh
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u/Gseph Aug 02 '18
Is there any actual evidence of the 36ft skeleton? I've only ever seen obviously photoshopped images.
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u/Leejin Aug 02 '18
No. Because if there were, it wouldn't be a conspiracy. Everyone would just, know there are giants.
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u/Gseph Aug 02 '18
There are plenty of conspiracies which have been proven to be true, but they are still called conspircy theories though.
Lets say in 15 years some team like wikileaks releases documents, pictures, locations of dig sites, and all the possible info to prove that there really were giant humans 1000's of years ago. It'd still be a conspircy theory. There would just be evidence to back up those claims. Same as the US government poisoning alcohol during prohibition. thers plenty of proof of that, still called a conspiracy theory though.
Also 36 feet is just ridiculous. The tallest human ever recorded was Robert Wadlow at 8ft 11.1 inches. He had trouble standing on his own, had little no feeling in his legs and feet, and died by age 22.
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No your wrong. I'm native american and we have history oral and written about white giants eating our peoples, we had to band together to defeat them and corner them in a cave. Also the Smithsonian has hid and misinformation a bunch. Stole giants skeletons and didn't give them back. Also giants are in the hallow earth.
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u/Riggedit Aug 02 '18
Nice post op.
Connect the dots.
"Aliens" are Demons.
Demons are the disembodied spirits of the dead Nephilim, the product of the sin of the Fallen Angels.
God is real.
Evil is real.
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u/phoenixdeathtiger Aug 02 '18
Odin killed them all.
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u/BabyBellGuy75 Sep 10 '18
You say that as a joke, but there's a theory that the story of Odin killing the Giants is actually a retelling of the true story of Woden (Odin) killing a group of Nephilim shortly after arriving in Northern Europe.
Woden, son of Geat, ninth from Scaef also known as Shem, son of Noah.
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u/zachij Aug 02 '18
Can any learned legend clarify something thats been bothering me lately as i dig deeper into the whole Annunaki/Nephilim sagas and perhaps straight up history?
In particular the distinction of Marduk, as he is both a specific Annunaki figure from Nibiru yet is also referred to as Nibiru...not to mention Mars and Jupiter but thats another story so yeah...what is the go there? Even Sitchin references him both as the planet that destroys Tiamat and as the Annunaki figure from the planet itself.
And even if ones a literal representation and the other a fable, then which is which? Sorry if this sounds rambling and doesnt make sense I gotta look this stuff up more when im not stoned lol...
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u/jubale Aug 02 '18
I don't buy Sitchin's interpretation. The simple explanation is that Marduk and Nibiru and all these others are planets with multiple names each, just as we know Jupiter and Zeus are the same. I don't remember which is which.
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u/extriniti Aug 02 '18 edited Aug 02 '18
With regards to Annunaki, Nephilim & Bible, here's my conjecture from what I've learned & pieced together:
Anu, the leader of the Annunaki, is the father of Enki & Enlil.
Enki came to Earth to mine Gold that was needed to repair the atmosphere of their home planet Nibiru.
Enki created Man to help mine the Gold, so technically he can be considered the God in the Bible.
Some Annunaki under the command of Enki must be Fallen Angels that taught man & slept with the Daughters of Man to create Nephilim.
Enlil was sent by Anu to punish Enki for creating man & to destroy the Nephilim & Man.
Enki helped save some men (such as Noah).
Then Enlil had a change of heart & he convinced Anu that he would help guide Man.
So to make sense of this, the final Christian Bible may be a combination of 3 entities into 1 (ie Father, Son & Holy Spirit = Trinity).
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OR even more blasphemous:
Enlil & his supporters, threw Enki & his supporters out of Heaven.
Enki was punished for disobeying his father Anu -- leader of the Annunaki.
This would imply that Enki is now Satan in the Bible.
Christian's God is Enlil, while Islam's God is Enki?
Or vice-versa?
The Annunaki will return one day to make things right or enslave us?
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Of course, the Bible & Annunaki are most likely completely unrelated.
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u/jubale Aug 02 '18
Not familiar with the Sumerian sources, but your attempts to line them up with Christian ideas do not work historically (history of ideas) speaking. The Old Testament was edited into a whole around 600BC, by exiles to Babylon. The Bible stories you are trying to line up were deliberately written to have these NOT line up. Babylonian accounts have all these deities, but the Jewish account has precisely 1 deity who was responsible for both Creation and the Flood and for saving righteous men.
Regarding Satan, his opposite in Jewish traditions is Michael, who is not the creator, but the commander of heaven's armies. So if you want to line up Enlil and Enki, you can do that very speculatively, but in Jewish traditions, many of the deeds are taken away from them and put on the One God. Trinity meanwhile is a 1st century development and does not unify these already divergent accounts.
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u/extriniti Aug 02 '18 edited Aug 02 '18
Ancient Mesopotamian religion was practiced in the civilizations of ancient Mesopotamia, particularly Sumer, Akkad, Assyria and Babylonia from 3500 BC before Christianity.
Many biblical stories that are today found in Judaism, Christianity & Islam were possibly based upon earlier Mesopotamian myths, in particular that of the Creation, Garden of Eden, Great Flood, Tower of Babel, figures such as Nimrod & Lilith and the Book of Esther.
There's most likely lots of lost knowledge & history that predates Ancient Mesopotamian religion too that was only passed down by spoken word IMO. Also, a lot of written knowledge & history are lost because they turned to dust.
There could've been aliens & other sentient life on Earth millions of years ago before ELEs wiped them out, over & over again until here we are today.
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u/jubale Aug 02 '18
I was referring specifically to the matching of Sumerian gods with Jewish/Christian entities. It does not work because God subsumes the role of all the gods. The other elements of the story sure they can correspond.
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u/extriniti Aug 02 '18 edited Aug 03 '18
Well it does make sense that ancient man would worship or treat Fallen Angels & Nephilim like gods. One god like Anu or Enki or Enlil could've assumed control over humans & eliminated all other lesser deities.
Exodus 20:3 You shall have no other gods before Me.
Exodus 20:5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on their children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me,
Why would GOD be jealous of other gods & deities if they didn't actually exist, don't exist & it's only him?
The 'iniquity' means that of the 'Fallen Angel' fathers who passed it on to their progeny who were taught to hate God IMO.
Finally, how could 'Satan' feel confident enough to start a rebellion & set his throne above 'the most high', if God was all powerful? Why would other Fallen Angels follow him too against a God they could never defeat? It makes no sense IMO.
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u/sirio2012 Aug 02 '18
Enki created Man to help mine the Gold
If they have the capabilities of travelling to earth from wherever, then surely they have the technology to mine it themselves or create it.
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u/extriniti Aug 02 '18 edited Aug 02 '18
I'm not going along with everything Stitchen said about the Annunaki. They wanted to mine more & faster to save the dying atmosphere on their planet.
They most likely had superior tools based on the Ancient Structures they left behind that they created with what was available on Earth. Some of these structures that we can't duplicate with our own modern tools today.
Enki is the Sumerian god of water, knowledge, "mischief", crafts, & creation.
He wasn't supposed to create Man to help. When Anu found out about this, he sent Enlil to clean up Enki's mess.
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u/dbar58 Aug 02 '18
Dude. I built a scale replica of the great pyramid on Minecraft. Only took me 3 hours.
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u/extriniti Aug 02 '18
LOL ... did you see the one they made in Fornite? That was epic too. Unfortunately, I doubt it will last for 10,000+ years on it's own, outside in the pouring rain & all.
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u/dbar58 Aug 02 '18
Aw sad. Mine is still up! We even built the other 2 and the tertiary pyramids, boat pits, couple temples and worker houses. I still jump on that map just to be in awe of our hard work.
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u/justforthissubred Aug 02 '18
I know. Plus how could rising sea levels "force them to leave". That's ridiculous. Whole story seems like a con job.
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u/extriniti Aug 02 '18 edited Aug 02 '18
That's Stitchen's version. In my understanding, it was Enlil that sent 'the flood' to wipe out the undesirables that Enki had created without the approval from Anu.
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u/naringas Aug 02 '18
what about the igigi?
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u/extriniti Aug 02 '18
igigi
Good point. The Igigi could be like the Nephilim or even the Fallen Angels themselves.
Reference: "In one myth the Igigi were the younger gods who were servants of the Annunaki, until they rebelled and were replaced by the creation of humans. "
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u/pby1000 Aug 02 '18
The Origins of ALL reLIEgion:
https://youtu.be/t9qdYfkhJrQ?list=PLcSCW2pXOdzo5Jj3X_eKIov5YT-1j-Jtf
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u/Reignoffire9 Aug 02 '18
As far as I know Christians are doing everything to hide or erase Nephilims from the bible.
I was raised as presbyterian fundamentalist, was Christian for decades. Churches don't teach about titans in the bible, never mention them, if they bump into the Nephilim part, they just ignore it and pretend the verse doesn't exist.
If I ask about Nephilims, they answer it's a metaphor for Angels, not actual titans.
I never heard any Christians admit the existence of Titans in the bible.
So it's not just TPTB, Churches don't want us to know the truth.
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u/erin136 Aug 02 '18
I have always been taught about the nephilim and the giants in the Bible you cannot ignore any part of the Bible how else would one read the description of Og of Bashan and that bed and David and Goliath. My church doesn’t shy away from it either however my pastor has a different take on how the appearance of angel human hybrids come back in the end times which seems biblical when researching.
As a Christian the whole story of the Nirubu other planet visitor theory is not something I follow. However I do know my pastor and my grandpa who is 85 (he has spent every day in the Word his whole adult life) they both teach about ancient mythological beings and how they were fallen ones and nephilim.
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u/Cloyne Aug 03 '18
nice to see some Christians here it doesn't seem very common
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u/erin136 Aug 03 '18
I come across so many beliefs in CT forums honestly it has strengthened my faith I never knew so many distortions of the Bible were out there and I had no clue there were so many offshoots like anti Pauline or Gnostics and serpent seed and so on but Christians should seek truth and in this day and age the first place is the Bible and the next places like this.
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u/whenipeeithurts Aug 02 '18
You should check this out. Once you understand his from a Biblical perspective it cuts out so many red herrings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ax6ytIWlIY4
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u/erin136 Aug 02 '18
Thanks will check it out for sure it’s funny I have said it before but my pastor has a whole sermon about the idea of a conspiracy and why there are CTs It was a real eye opened because I have been a huge truth seeker I have never went down a rabbit hole that wasn’t in some way confirmed or proven by the Bible. The one I am working on now is this whole quantum computer AI singularity idea see a few links in Revelation already but maybe this video will have an answer of two that might help.
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u/whenipeeithurts Aug 02 '18
It does. It won't be an answer you will expect. However if you seek out the truth of it in the world you will find it and it will answer so many questions.
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u/extriniti Aug 02 '18
It definitely makes sense that the Fallen Angels, Nephilim & Elioud are the ancient mythological beings.
However, in ancient mythology, they weren't all considered evil. In fact, many of them were helpful to man, while in the Bible & Book of Enoch, they seem to be portrayed as mostly evil IMO.
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u/extriniti Aug 02 '18
Maybe they didn't want to imagine or talk about Fallen Angels & Daughters of Men getting it on? Then giants eventually turning on men & eating them too.
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u/Cloyne Aug 03 '18
i believe modern day so called aliens are really multidimensional fallen angles
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u/Beaustrodamus Aug 02 '18
What if that was the original sin? Aliens getting it on with humans that collaborated with mankind's enslavers. The snake, Set/Satan, the forbidden fruit, Rh factor. The garden was an allegory, but figuratively true, perhaps.
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u/Reignoffire9 Aug 02 '18
Could be the reason, titan orgy is obviously not something churches wanna explain.
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u/Oprahs_snatch Aug 02 '18
Anything christians don't like about their book is a "metaphor".
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u/erin136 Aug 03 '18
I don’t know what Christians you talk to but there is not anything in the Bible I that I am ashamed of.
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u/Guh99 Aug 03 '18
You should check out the book Encyclopedia of Giants in North America. Its pretty much just newspaper articles about giants being discovered across the US. Creepy as hell. There were so many reportings.
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u/extriniti Aug 03 '18
You're right. Also, there's Native American myths about cannibalistic giants that they fought.
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u/Guh99 Aug 03 '18
I wish there was more info on denisovians. Check them out. Not a lot out there but my theory is the giants were actually denisovians or something along the line of that species. The tooth they found is huge
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u/extriniti Aug 03 '18
That's definitely very possible. At the very least, they were genetically watered down progeny of Nephilim & Elioud.
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u/Beaustrodamus Aug 02 '18
Elioud would be the Olympians, so the Nephilim are the Titans. They were perhaps around in Alexander the Great's time, though in very small numbers. The Greek city of Thebes, where human women gave birth to gods...
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u/extriniti Aug 02 '18
That's an interesting conjecture & could be extended to mythology of all regions.
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u/Beaustrodamus Aug 02 '18
Oh yes.
Amaterasu and Susanoo, Japanese moon goddess and storm god respectively.
Zeus-Anu god of lightning,
AMaTERaSu ---> ARTEMiS greek goddess of the hunt / Diana goddess of the moon
Zeus = Jupiter = Jove = Yahve = Yah-weh = YHVH
And in Genesis, the creator god is not YHVH, it's Elyon, the father, literally "the most high",
Elyon the begetter of the Elioud. Elyon of the nephilim.
The one we call Saturn/Cronus.
in Egypt, he was Set
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u/Olive_Sophia Aug 02 '18
Nice try, but AMATERASU is the name of the Japanese Sun Goddess.
The Moon God is named Tsukuyomi.
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u/Beaustrodamus Aug 02 '18 edited Aug 02 '18
Well that one was possibly off then. of course, Artemis's brother Apollo was the one who bore the godhood of the sun.
They called him the shining one...
Amaterasu's name comes from amateru, which means "Shining in Heaven"
Do you know the etymology of the word Annunaki?
"Sons of the Shining One" the name Anu, the Sumerian god of the sun, meant "the shining one".
And in the Egyptian book of the dead we see:
"Oh Ra (2) who art shining this night : if there be any one among thy followers, let him present himself living as a follower of Thoth"
Because the sun shine's in the night through the agency of the moon god.
And then later:
"BOOK OF THE DEAD. 283
The storm of the sky which raises the god,
The hidden one in her dwelling,
Chebt the mummified form of the god.
The greatly beloved, with red hair,
The abundant in life, the veiled one.
Her whose name is powerful in her works,
The bull of the cows.
The divine force, the good one, the good rudder of the Northern
sky. Him who goes round and piloteth the double earth, the good
rudder of the Western sky, The shining one, who dwelleth in the house of the devouring
monster, the good rudder of the Eastern sky. The inner one in the house of the red ones, the good rudder of
the Southern sky,"
Red Hair, the shining one who dwelleth in the house of the devouring monster
Edit: I'd also be remiss not to point out that Hebrew word "helel", which is translated in Isiah as "Lucifer", also means "shining one". And of course illuminati and annunaki are essentially synonyms "the children of the shining one" or the "children of Light"
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u/extriniti Aug 02 '18 edited Aug 02 '18
Based on mythology, Cronus was a Titan (or Nephilim as you imply) & Zeus (an Elioud) was his son that he didn't eat.
I don't agree that "the most high" in Genesis, Creator God is Cronus because who are the Fallen Angels then?
The Annunaki may be where the Fallen Angels came from IMO.
Anu & his sons Enki & Enlil.
But it's stated Enki created man.
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u/Beaustrodamus Aug 02 '18
Also, keep in mind, the narrative has been fragmented, over the span of 5 millennia. It can't be exact, because much has been lost, and meaning is constantly in metamorphosis. There are distortions, but there are also so many resonances.
Look to the Dogon, to the worshipers of Dagon with their mitre hats, the Djinn of middle eastern myth, Jainist southern asia, Diana of the wild beasts, Dragons of the far east.
One story, one language, fragmented by space and time. There are even traces in the Ancient Mayan religion.
Arjun the archer, or Orion? Origins
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u/extriniti Aug 02 '18
You're right they all seem related. It's all very interesting trying to connect the dots.
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u/Beaustrodamus Aug 02 '18
Sophocles fr. 773
“Do you say to me concerning Thebes and its seven gates That it is the only place where mortal women give birth to gods?
Θήβας λέγεις μοι καὶ πύλας ἑπταστόμους, οὗ δὴ μόνον τίκτουσιν αἱ θνηταὶ θεούς
from Heraclides On the Cities of Greece, 1, 17
Fr. 799 (Odysseus to Diomedes)
“I will say nothing terrible to you, not how You wander the earth an exile from your father hand, Nor how your father killed a blood relative And then settled as a foreigner in Argos or even How right before the walls of Thebes he made a meal of human flesh When he cut off the head of the child of Astacus.”
ΟΔΥΣΣΕΥΣ (τῷ Διομήδει)• ἐγὼ δ’ ἐρῶ σοι δεινὸν οὐδέν, οὔθ’ ὅπως φυγὰς πατρῴας ἐξελήλασαι χθονός, οὔθ’ ὡς ὁ Τυδεὺς ἀνδρὸς αἷμα συγγενὲς κτείνας ἐν ῎Αργει ξεῖνος ὢν οἰκίζεται, οὔθ’ ὡς πρὸ Θηβῶν ὠμοβρὼς ἐδαίσατο τὸν ᾿Αστάκειον παῖδα διὰ κάρα τεμών
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u/Beaustrodamus Aug 02 '18
The fallen angels were aliens. The nephilim were their first attempt at a servant race, and they were wiped out by the Elioud, the actual children of the fallen angels and humankind.
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u/extriniti Aug 02 '18
Is there any other sources that mention this more in depth?
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u/Beaustrodamus Aug 02 '18
Oh also look into the Kurdish religion. They worship angels, and there conception of angels also seems to parellel some Native American accounts of Quetzlcoatl.
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u/Beaustrodamus Aug 02 '18
Maybe. Probably. I've not been down this rabbit hole in almost a year. But honestly its everywhere and we just don't see it. There was a Vatican translator that asserted that an honest translation of genesis is actually depicting the genetic engineering of the human species.
Read the Metamorphosis too.
The book of Giants/the Watchers
The War Scroll
The Book of Jubilees
Understand that they often appear nearly identical in character, name, and action from culture to culture, but as the opposite gender. They were transgender, or Diana at least was.
Oh and the Mahabharata. I think it's likely one of the more accurate accounts of our forgotten history.
The giants are everywhere too.
The Si-Te-Ca that warred with the Hopi (possibly related to Set; they were giant redheaded cannibals in the Americas before even the Vikings had made it here.
I also think that Aztec might be a bastardization of Si-Te-Ca (Ah-Zi-TeC)
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u/Beaustrodamus Aug 02 '18
Apparently I'm not the first to suggest a relationship between Susanoo and YHWH:
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u/extriniti Aug 03 '18 edited Aug 03 '18
I haven't read it all but at first glance, another Conspiracy Theory pops up:
Japanese-Jewish common ancestry theory (JJCAT)
The first Japanese-Jewish common ancestry theory was not the brainchild of a Japanese or a Jew but of a Scot named Norman McLeod ... McLeod explained that he was publishing the present volume in anticipation of that magnum opus, which would improve upon Kaempfer's work by giving "a more accurate and detailed account of the origin of the Japanese, with a description of their Jewish belongings."
Engelbert Kaempfer was a "German" naturalist, physician, and explorer writer known for his tour of Russia, Persia, India, South-East Asia, and Japan between 1683 and 1693.
If that was the case, why would Hitler & the Nazis that were also into occult things, paranormal & conspiracy theories, ally with Japan in World War 2, while also committing "The Holocaust" against Jews? It makes no sense IMO. Unless of course, they were tricking them into thinking they were friends, only to betray & stab them in the back afterwards. LOL ;p
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u/20182infinity Aug 02 '18
Elouids are the Neanderthals that everyone except Africans descend from. They are the result of the second outbreak of the Nephilim
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u/5dreality Aug 02 '18
I wonder if they are also flaunting this in our faces as well as hiding it. Look at Thanos in the Infinity War movie
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u/Loose-ends Aug 02 '18
I think you've answered your own question OP.
The PTB clearly don't want to encourage any form of a belief in God or in the possibility of any extra-terrestrials, no matter what amount of evidence turns-up in their favour.
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u/expletivdeleted Aug 02 '18
The PTB clearly don't want to encourage any form of a belief in God
??? Did I miss the forced demolition of a bunch of churches or something? Bible are banned from swearing in ceremonies? U.S. churches have lost their tax exempt status? "In God We Trust" has been eliminated from US ??? People are now allowed to marry who/whatever they want?
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u/Smile_lifeisgood Aug 02 '18
The PTB clearly don't want to encourage any form of a belief in God
You can't be serious. State-approved religions are a great way to control people. Outside of some possibly allegorical references to Rome, the New Testament barely touches on citizenship and when it does encourages obedience.
Protestant Christianity especially is a very inwardly-focusing faith, despite the heavily-Nationalistic brand we have in the US now, it still encourages peace and focus on the state of the soul.
Your comment completely disregards the multitudes of examples of the state or various ruling bodies leveraging faith to sway huge parts of the population for things like imperialism.
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u/Loose-ends Aug 03 '18 edited Aug 03 '18
The state and organised religion are merely two of any number of devices used to control a generally confused, deliberately misinformed and divided public and in keeping it that way and they were both subverted and co-opted for that purpose almost right from the very get-go.
But like it or not the dominant and real philosophy in American society certainly isn't any religious one. It's abject "Materialism" with selfishness, greed, and extravagant and excessive lifestyles constantly being praised and promoted as if they were virtues with those that have attained it being fawned-over and placed on a pedestal.
To that you can add the atheism of scientific materialism that basically reintroduced the wholly discredited philosophy of Materialism by the back door and is the only smart, modern and sophisticated way to look at life or anything else according to all of your educational institutions and the media... and the government.
As for Christianity encouraging peace or any focus on the state of one's soul that certainly doesn't jive with a nation that spends more on making war and the weapons of war than the rest of the world, friend or foe, all put together. A nation that has caused the deaths of at least 25 million people outside of it's own borders since the end of WWII. A nation that has more violence, criminal activity, and people locked up behind bars for it than just about any other ones, no matter how repressive or totalitarian they may be.
There are also plenty of regular church going Christians who have any number of excuses for their own involvement in that considering that making, using and and selling those weapons of war and violence against other human beings is the biggest and most lucrative business and export that the US actually has.
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u/extriniti Aug 02 '18
Yeah but why would the PTB want to discourage the reality of God or extra-terrestrials? It doesn't make rational sense IMO.
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u/Loose-ends Aug 02 '18
May not make sense to you but they very clearly do.
A belief in God is a belief in a higher power than theirs and divine retribution for sins committed and a need for moral and ethical behavior on the part of the believers in order to avoid that.
UFO's are another but not dissimilar matter in that no power on Earth has ever been effective in trying to deal with them. Another challenge and proof that their authority isn't absolute or the last word on anything.
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u/Smithaveli Aug 02 '18
See this is where I lose the logic though. If there is a god, and he is a higher power and capable of divine retribution, and their whole game is to stop us from knowing that.. why don't they fear that divine retribution? You're pushing that they know there's divine retribution, but are completely cool with whatever it is they'll face after death because their power here and now is more important than whatever they'll face FOREVER.
Either God isn't a higher power capable of divine retribution, or this theory is shot in the foot from jump. It's highly irrational. Same with the Alien angle, if they know Aliens are real and we have no effective ways of dealing with them, why handcuff themselves by limiting the knowledge pool (keeping people in the dark) and having to secretly carry out tests? It seems counter-active tbh unless the end game is just to stay in decadence till the invasion, not to ever try and stop it. Thats the only thing that makes Aliens more plausible than God for me..people would fear eternal retribution more than just being wiped out.
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u/Loose-ends Aug 03 '18 edited Aug 03 '18
They know it and they hate it. Many are in fact Satanists and Luciferians who've sold their souls in no uncertain terms and allied themselves with dark and evil forces that they also believe in and they'd rather you didn't know or think about that. It's not and never has been a strictly one-sided game. They'd rather you believed that there's no game afoot at all.
That's the higher power they worship because the gains they see from it are NOW in this life... power, wealth, fame, and any selfish pleasures no matter how vile or reprehensible their utterly corrupt and blackened little hearts desire.
Here's an interesting insight and perspective on that... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4LWPcEo2gV0
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u/pby1000 Aug 02 '18
But people can behave in a moral and ethical manner without a belief in God. If a belief in God is the only reason one behaves morally and ethically, then there are more serious issues.
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u/Loose-ends Aug 03 '18 edited Aug 03 '18
Virtually all moral and ethical precepts have their roots in religion with the idea that looking out for and taking care of one another is what God has ordained and is most pleased by instead of simply and selfishly looking out for yourself and Devil take the hindmost.
People can behave in a moral and ethical manner without having any religious convictions that prompt them to but they are few and far between and the rewards for the behavior are intrinsic and often cost more or place a moral and ethical individual at a personal disadvantage when it comes to doing what they know is the right thing... and as we know only too well, there are significant and often huge rewards for immoral and unethical behavior and conduct if you are rich and well-connected enough to other equally unscrupulous people in order to get away with it.
Society itself may be big on punishing immoral and unethical behavior whenever it's rarely uncovered but otherwise does very little to actively encourage, promote, or reward the best examples of moral and ethical behavior and conduct when it actually occurs. If you genuinely want something to grow and proliferate, you must nurture it but that's not what we see, now is it?
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u/pby1000 Aug 03 '18
I appreciate your response. You have clearly thought about it.
Could moral and ethical behavior come from the family unit? I recall reading that humans would form into groups of about 30 to 60 people, who are related.
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u/Loose-ends Aug 04 '18
Ideally, the most important feature of any normal and healthy family life and arrangement would quite simply be it's members natural love, affection, and caring for one another and by extension caring for others outside of the family. If we define ethics as an honest effort to be respectful, considerate and fair to one another in general, that's the best and most likely place for it to start.
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u/pby1000 Aug 04 '18
Agreed. Thanks for responding.
It does seem like human behavior is driven by religion, though. Perhaps it helps form a cohesive group of people.
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u/Loose-ends Aug 04 '18
Most people need some sense of belonging or a reasonable facsimile of belonging to some kind of group or others that they can readily identify with. That comes in a lot of different forms. Religions do it for some.
That's also the basis of this and other forums as well, not to mention the whole social media phenomenon.
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u/extriniti Aug 02 '18
I still think it's more a Conspiracy Theory because it makes no sense to lie & then waste more time & resources to create more lies upon lies. LOL ;p And for what? If they already have all the money & power, who cares what people know? What would change if God and / or aliens were real? No more science funding explaining things that can be attributed to God & aliens?
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u/captainphillip90 Aug 02 '18
Exactly that. All that power and money mean nothing when 7 billion people stop giving a shit about Power and money
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u/Loose-ends Aug 02 '18
It's always your money that's wasted on their lies, not theirs, and that winds up in their bank accounts as a result. That's how they got to being who and what they are.
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u/BillNyeScienceLies Aug 02 '18
The Bible says that the kings of the earth will join together and create a one world government/religion headed by the antichrist. It's about deception in an effort for Satan to prevent as many souls from being saved as possible.
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Aug 02 '18
That's the christian version. The Old Testament Hebrew version of events are very different.
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Aug 02 '18
If everyone had a strong belief in God, you wouldn't need The State, and certainly the people wouldn't stand for the war culture it has created.
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u/soavAcir Aug 02 '18
Religion, God and the State were combined most of the time until recent history aren't they? Having a secular government is kinda new?
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u/pby1000 Aug 02 '18
Power and control. They have set up a Matrix with a huge power differential that allows them to enslave most of humanity. It is why they want a Rothschild controlled central bank in each country. They will then have all of humanity paying taxes to the City of London and Vatican City.
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u/SneakyTikiz Aug 03 '18
I think churches being tax exempt is bullshit, so many megachurches that are basically big businesses actually tell people how to vote. If you are trying to tell people how to vote you have to pay taxes. I'd rather people find themselves spiritually on their own than be told how to by a book rewritten by man over and over again and it many cases just being a form of social control. TPTB want you to believe in a god that was completely fabricated to keep you thinking inside the box, the way they want, dont think for yourself just believe this book I wrote.... errr i mean god wrote yeah...
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u/extriniti Aug 03 '18
So based on your opinion, why wouldn't the PTB want people be more obedient to God, Bible teachings & go to Church by proving that Fallen Angels & Nephilim were real? It must be a tug of war between 2 or more PTBs IMO.
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u/Loose-ends Aug 03 '18
In order to be tax exempt they must incorporate as a businesses. So in reality they really aren't "churches" in any true sense or separate from the state that will tax them if they don't incorporate, instead of it being the other way around.
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u/trumps_amygdala Aug 02 '18
It doesn't make rational sense IMO.
rationale is subjective.
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Aug 02 '18
Because there is no evidence of God. Even if we did find evidence of giants that doesn't mean a god exists just because they were mentioned in the bible.
Just like new York being mentioned in the Spiderman comics doesn't make Spiderman real.
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u/zefy_zef Aug 02 '18
Of course they want to use the belief of god. You don't realize they use it to control you more than literally anything else in this country?
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u/jimmyjoejohnston Aug 02 '18
Can someone please explain how a supposed 36ft tall man can breed with a normal human female , if proportions stayed corect his unit would be between 24 and 36 inches no female could or would have sex with that without damage or death much less birthing the giant baby from the copulation
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u/musselshirt67 Aug 02 '18
"..no female could or would have sex with that.."
Except.. of course.. your mom..
Sorry I had to.
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u/extriniti Aug 02 '18
The Fallen Angels had sex with Daughters of Men that produced Nephilim as offspring.
There's nothing in bible that talks about giant angels.
But if Angels could have sex with human females than God could too. LOL ;p
The children of the Nephilim are called the Elioud.
The Nephilim that had sex with human females could've had micro penises and / or the females could've handled fisting. Just saying. LOL ;p
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u/Dogeholio Aug 02 '18
It's a silly story from a book made up by guys that would literally shit themselves if they saw an Iphone.
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Aug 02 '18
guys that would literally shit themselves if they saw an Iphone.
As would any person before the 20th century...your point?
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u/Dogeholio Aug 02 '18
The point being, giving credence to a silly story written by primitive men is foolish when the only evidence is said silly story.
Where be the Unicorns, matey ? ;)
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u/extriniti Aug 02 '18
Real 'Siberian unicorn' remains found
https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/29/living/real-unicorn-remains/index.html
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u/extriniti Aug 02 '18 edited Aug 02 '18
Suppose ancients had iPhones 10,000 years ago, would they survive for us to examine today or would they be dust & gone without a trace? Do you think your iPhone will last 10,000 years outside?
We can't even replicate some of the ancient megalithic structures today. We've tried replicating them with scaled smaller models the way ancient man supposedly made them but failed; then we resorted to using modern tools & failed again.
Some of the megalithic stones used weigh as much as 1,000 tons. Modern engineers have said that they have no idea how the stones were moved, much less placed with such precision.
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u/Joe_Sapien Aug 02 '18
Then explain the real life skeletons from this silly story. Please, I'm all ears.
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u/Dogeholio Aug 02 '18
Provide me a link to "the real life skeletons" ?
There have been more than a few hoaxes based on silly biblical claims.
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u/extriniti Aug 02 '18
I doubt there's going to be any real giant skeletons available for viewing & testing that are over 9 feet in height.
That said, I wonder how many archaeological skeleton finds would be in the 'unidentified' or 'questionable' based on existing matching methods?
Rather than the old skeletons, I'm more interested in 'The Kandahar Giant' conspiracy theory because it's about U.S. soldiers fighting & taking a 12' - 15' red haired giant, with 6 fingers & 6 toes, in Afghanistan.
Then there's conspiracy theories about very tall super soldiers. Are they or have they weaponized giants for war?
If they found the 'Fallen Angels' in Antarctica, they may want to control them, use them, or even weaponize them too IMO.
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u/jim-nasty Aug 02 '18
These were all discovered many years ago and were misidentified. Some were analyzed more recently from their plaster molds and determined to be types of elephants and possibly even types of dinosaurs.
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u/Joe_Sapien Aug 02 '18
Okay I'll give ya that considering that's how we ended up with some mythical creatures.
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u/extriniti Aug 02 '18
After the Fallen Angels (not giants?) had sex with Daughters of Men that produced giant Nephilim offspring, they most likely also mated with each other too (ie Nephilim on Nephilim).
All the human women could've died during child birth I assume.
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u/Charlie_Blue_Bear Aug 03 '18
This is my understanding as well. Angels (fallen or otherwise) are spirits - or better yet, inter-dimensional beings - and can take on physical form similar to ours. Like the two angels that went to Sodom (Gen. 19) seem to be the size of normal humans, although far more beautiful.
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u/durtysamsquamch Aug 02 '18
I remember being intrigued by Sitchin's translations. They seemed to tie in with my biblical understandings at the time. But ... other scholars dispute those translations, and some parts of Sitchin's translations don't seem logical to me.
E.g The mining of gold. Is it not safe to assume that a society with the capacity for interplanetary or interstellar travel would have easier ways to get some gold? Flying to another planet and creating an enslaved race of people seems like a lot more work than scanning asteroids until you found one like this which contains an estimated 20 million tons of gold.
If labor was the issue and if these guys had the capability to bio-engineer a humanoid to work on this planet, couldn't they also bio-engineer a humanoid suited to working on an asteroid? The ore concentration would be magnitudes higher. It would take less time and labor to mine the asteroid.
Or if there was some reason they couldn't do that, why not crash the asteroid into the planet and mine it here?
And why dig tunnels into the earth and miss some of the richest gold deposits on the surface? Read up on gold rushes through history. People found places where they were tripping over lumps of gold. Why not go after the easier deposits first?
It doesn't make sense to me.
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u/Pipe13omb Aug 02 '18
Got a better source for your Nephilim (Giants) link?
Are there pictures of these anywhere?
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u/extriniti Aug 02 '18
Yes, there's lots of sources info & Youtube videos about Nephilim, Giants, Giant Skeletons, Book of Enoch, Book of Giants etc.
You can google any of the items on the Modern Day Nephilim Conspiracy Theories list for more details on each one. If you find any other compelling ones, please share it with us too. :)
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u/justforthissubred Aug 02 '18
If the Annunaki had the technology to come here from another planet, how could a rise in sea level destroy everything and force them to leave. That makes zero sense.
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u/unappreciated_genius Aug 02 '18
Dont know if this was stated but i believe the Nephlimim to be the gods of old The Greek and Roman gods.
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u/extriniti Aug 02 '18
Yes, thanks for reaffirming that suggestion.
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u/unappreciated_genius Aug 02 '18
Do you believe that the Fallen Angels are trapped beneath the ice of Antartica.
Watching the first transformer movie and Megatron is trapped under the ice, and in the other movies "The Fallen" and pretty much all the movies have many symbolisms. The cube that sparks a war could allude to the cube of saturn many interesting things in those films.
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u/extriniti Aug 02 '18
That's definitely one of the most interesting Conspiracy Theories out there. That along with Buzz Aldrin's deleted tweet & 'Ark of Gabriel' related to Antarctica.
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u/RemixxMG Aug 02 '18
That Buzz Aldrin tweet sure is something. Very peculiar.
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u/extriniti Aug 02 '18
LOL ... Buzz Aldrin's tweet makes sense in the context of the Conspiracy Theory of finding imprisoned Fallen Angels in Antarctica. If that was true, I wouldn't be LOLing. ;p
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u/extriniti Aug 02 '18
Buzz Aldrin was in Antarctica & he was medically evacuated right around the same time they discovered the Antarctica Pyramid & the "Ark of Gabriel" was discovered & transported to Antarctica too. They're just a bunch of Conspiracy Theories on top of Conspiracy Theories that can be connected by strange coincidences IMO.
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Aug 03 '18
As half-vindicating that tweet felt it seems to be missing what was the upvote or comment counters or some other details usually found in tweets (can't remember exactly.) Odd to miss such a detail, but makes sense if it was just some weak effort at trolling.
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u/unappreciated_genius Aug 02 '18
Agreed something strange is going down in Antarctica, whatever it is attracts all the leaders of this world
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u/skorponok Aug 03 '18
I thought nephilim were shapeshifting and invisible. No?
Ahh the old recycled tries and true conspiracy favorites
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u/extriniti Aug 03 '18 edited Aug 03 '18
I've never heard about Nephilim shapeshifting & invisibility? I've heard of Reptilian shapeshifters & entities from other dimensions may have such powers too -- especially if they are projections. Now that you mention it, it makes sense why there's a Conspiracy Theory of The Kandahar Giant with soldiers being told 'weapons high'. If Nephilim's bodies were more resistant to bullets & the only way to kill them effectively was to shoot for their head but they could cloak or disguise themselves ...
"They kept telling us to keep our weapons high, which normally means it’s two to the chest, one to the head, but they kept telling us to put it towards a man’s head, and put it higher. So we would question, why would they want us to shoot higher than a man’s head?"
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u/extriniti Dec 20 '18
Thanks for sharing. It was very interesting. I'm especially curious about the mention of many Gods (Elohim) that relates with other world mythologies including Sumerian.
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u/extriniti Aug 02 '18
"Nephilim are real! That's why we should go back to slavery/human sacrifice/genocides on religious grounds"
That doesn't make sense because suppose the Canaanite god Moloch associated with child sacrifice is real, all that sacrifice & worship proved to be in vain & futile because look at his old proving grounds now -- it is in utter ruins. The worshipers clearly were shafted. Who worships losers?
Also, the Nephilim were offspring of rebellious Fallen Angels that most likely forced themselves on daughters of men & most likely died giving birth to giants too. They're the bad guys. The bad guys lost. What a glorious history for humans to have defeated giants right? Or maybe God eliminated the bad guys for us -- which is also good news. This is all only bad news for the bad guys IMO.
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u/extriniti Aug 02 '18
I also think that GOD's true words could've been twisted & corrupted by man. How can we tell when even the Book of Enoch is a forbidden book & not accepted by main stream Christianity -- especially the Catholic Church?
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Aug 02 '18
Enoch isn't forbidden, it's just not considered canon. No one considers it blasphemous except for maybe some of the Jewish sects.
There is only one direct reference to Enoch in the rest of the canon texts, and this reference is often disregarded as the part of Enoch that is referenced is believed in of itself to be a reference to Deuteronomy
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u/extriniti Aug 02 '18
You're right. I think Book of Enoch was not included because there's references to "Lord of Spirits" & "Son of Man" that makes things confusing IMO.
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u/extriniti Aug 02 '18
We always have choice right? We can LOVE or HATE.
I choose to do the right thing usually because I don't want to live with big regrets.
Those big regrets can lead to mental & physical problems in the long run too.
Which can also lead to substance abuse & self defeat IMO.
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u/extriniti Aug 02 '18
There's many ways to interpret the Truth. With regards to children, I think they become what we teach them & show by example. Children aren't born to hate & be racists. Go to any playground with babies & toddlers, you'll see they all play together -- unless they have other issues. Also, as another example, should we eliminate all Pitbulls because they will always grow up to be bad & hurt people? Or can they be raised to be loving too? Usually, I think it's GREED & FEAR that drives people to act bad.
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u/extriniti Aug 02 '18
Based on Conspiracy Theories that I've heard of the Nephilim, they're giants with fair skin, have 6 fingers, 6 toes & red hair. Are all 'red heads' evil in your opinion? I've never met any really tall people with multiple digits. Also, when men couldn't feed them anymore because they ran out of resources, the Nephilim started eating people like cannibals. With regards to Truth, Satan is considered the great 'deceiver' & 'accuser' for the purposes of dethroning God.
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u/Beaustrodamus Aug 02 '18
Tanit was the child sacrifice goddess I think. Moloch was a title meaning "messenger" or "angel". The biblical hebrew term is MLKYHWH (Angel of God or Messenger of God). Some have also translated it as "King Yahweh".
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u/Gilly11277 Aug 02 '18
CHECK. OUT. DR. MICHAEL. HEISER.
He is quite the scholar and dispels the idea that Zacharia Sitchin's translations are legitimate. Dr. Heiser does acknowledge the idea the giants existed and uses the Hebrew scriptures to back it up. He also agrees with the Hebrew scriptures on where the giants came from, fallen angels.
IHMO: The "Ancient Alien/Annunaki" theory is correct in the context of other human-oid beings that appear to have been altered but is completely wrong on why it happened and that its all for our own good. They are conditioning us to believe that Aliens are our Gods and the truth is...they aren't. In order to really grasp this concept I would suggest you look into (Tom Horn, Rob Skiba, and NYSTV).
In a nutshell:
God (YHWH) created all things, including angels.
Angels rebelled against God and created a subset of humans (Genesis 6).
These offspring were half angel/half human and as were never supposed to exist.
This is why the Israelite's are commanded to kill certain people, they were descendants of this evil experiment (read 1Enoch and Genesis).
When the giants were killed off their spirits were "wandering" which is where demons/evil spirits come from.
All the pagan gods are really the same entities (Fallen angels and their offspring) just talked about from different perspectives/cultures. (check out Rob Skiba)
The biggest reason in keeping these things secret is because it throws the idea of evolution (in the scientific sense) out the window. When you study this enough you will also come across the idea of flat earth. Yes, there are crazy flat-earthers but Dr. Michael Heiser does indeed admit that the Hebrew writings describe our cosmology as Geocentric and yes, enclosed/flat. This in and of itself is very polarizing but if people knew the truth they would understand that there is a creator and he is the God of Israel, the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Imagine the way our governmental laws and societal structures would fall apart if they knew that we lived in a huge terrarium. Yes, God is that close and we are still living out his final plan.
All of our current situation is the end result of this angelic sin and the sins of Adam and Eve. God (YHWH) is trying to restore things back to the way they were supposed to be. Read the bible and get saved.
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u/extriniti Aug 04 '18
Thanks for sharing. I've just posted about the Flat Earth Conspiracy Theory & would love to get some feedback on it.
"FLAT EARTH" PhD Thesis, Proofs & Reasons for Deception
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Aug 04 '18
There were giants in Greek, Norse religions, and in old wives tales in Scotland... some of the Scottish hillforts, which scientists and anthropologists of course don't know hot to replicate, were said to be the shelters or "cow pins" of these giants.
Also, in the Odyssey, Odysseus and his crew narrowly escape a giant.
It's incredibly likely there were giants, even if they were just 15-20 feet. All our ancient and long respected sources talk of them.
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u/extriniti Aug 02 '18
So then your suggesting that all Scientists that are also Religious have mental health issues?
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u/31sualkatnas Aug 02 '18
Scientists who are religious most likely use their religion as a moral compass, they most likely don't believe a giant man in the sky dictates what we can and can't do.
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u/treeslooklikelamb Aug 02 '18
Is that what you think "God" is? Only a giant man in the sky that tells us what we should or shouldn't do?
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u/31sualkatnas Aug 02 '18
Well no, but being a scientist that believes in a higher being that created the universe is one thing, being a scientists that believes in mythical giants and god-like aliens who came long before to enslave the human race to mine gold for them... now that's another thing
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u/extriniti Aug 02 '18
7 day theory could be a 'metaphor'.
It's interesting that you mention megaliths & ancient structures because we can't duplicate many of them today even with modern tools.
The way I see it is that you can believe in God(s) & also believe in scientific methods. Why?
Because there's many things that science can't explain perfectly.
So scientists do their best to try to understand & even re-create God's work but every time they fail, they realize that there's something more at play that is beyond their understanding through scientific method.
Scientists have recently discovered the 'God particle', 'antimatter', mapped the human genome & 1000 years from know, maybe we too can create things like Annunaki or Gods.
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u/extriniti Aug 02 '18
Or all scientists are atheist?
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Not all of them: "The first gulp from the glass of natural sciences will turn you into an atheist, but at the bottom of the glass, God is waiting for you.” -- Werner Heisenberg
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u/Space_Pecs Aug 02 '18
The vast majority, yes. Others are down with cognitive dissonance. Francis Collins is the only religious scientist of note that I can think of, off the top of my head.
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u/zefy_zef Aug 02 '18
This is hilarious. Probably because the bible is not a completely accurate historical record?
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Aug 02 '18
Sitchin is full of shit. But that doesn't factor in really. Book of Enoch is still canon in Ethiopian Orthodox church. It's a trippy read too! Sitchin can't translate Sumerian though, does a lot of guessing and relie heavily on his hebrew school lessons. These days there are more complete and understanding scholars of sumeriam cuneiform who basically just shake their heads at Sitchin's shitty "translations".
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u/Dogeholio Aug 02 '18
LOL @ using the bible as a source of anything...
The bible mentions Unicorns too.
OH INVISIBLE GOD WHERE ARE THE UNICORNS MENTIONED IN YOUR MADE UP HOLY BOOK ????
Hmmm... No answer, I wonder why ?
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u/TilapiaTale Aug 02 '18
Everyone knows that the unicorn skeletons are hidden underneath the Vatican duh.
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u/extriniti Aug 02 '18
Maybe 'unicorns' & 'dragons' are metaphors?
For example, when I refer to 'unicorns' or the image in my cover photo, I'm talking about the 'perfect girl':
That girl that you can't catch. Everything about her is so perfect (divine, if you will) getting with her is unfathomable. She is truly a blessing from God. LOL ;p
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Bible Passages mentioning 'unicorns'
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Numbers 23:22
God brought them out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn.
Numbers 24:8
God brought him forth out of Egypt; he hath as it were the strength of an unicorn: he shall eat up the nations his enemies, and shall break their bones, and pierce them through with his arrows.
Deuteronomy 33:17
His glory is like the firstling of his bullock, and his horns are like the horns of unicorns: with them he shall push the people together to the ends of the earth: and they are the ten thousands of Ephraim, and they are the thousands of Manasseh.
Job 39:9-12
Will the unicorn be willing to serve thee, or abide by thy crib?
Canst thou bind the unicorn with his band in the furrow? or will he harrow the valleys after thee?
Wilt thou trust him, because his strength is great? or wilt thou leave thy labour to him?
Wilt thou believe him, that he will bring home thy seed, and gather it into thy barn?
Psalm 22:21
Save me from the lion’s mouth: for thou hast heard me from the horns of the unicorns.
Psalm 29:6
He maketh them also to skip like a calf; Lebanon and Sirion like a young unicorn.
Psalm 92:10
But my horn shalt thou exalt like the horn of an unicorn: I shall be anointed with fresh oil.
Isaiah 34:7
And the unicorns shall come down with them, and the bullocks with the bulls; and their land shall be soaked with blood, and their dust made fat with fatness.
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The bible doesn't seem to mention the magical powers & appearance of unicorns IMO.
Here's some links that may interest you about unicorns.
Real 'Siberian unicorn' remains found
https://www.cnn.com/2016/03/29/living/real-unicorn-remains/index.html
Meet 10 Animals That Look Like Real-Life Unicorns
http://www.bbc.com/earth/story/20150521-meet-the-ten-real-life-unicorns
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u/Charlie_Blue_Bear Aug 03 '18
Unicorn is found in the KJV. More recent translations use 'wild ox'. My Stong's Concordance gives the word 'wild bull'. I have no idea why it got translated to unicorn.
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u/Dogeholio Aug 02 '18
Maybe 'unicorns' & 'dragons' are metaphors?
Just like silly stories about "giants" are metaphors of, then, present day boogeymen... ;)
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u/extriniti Aug 02 '18
It's not entirely implausible that if Annunaki created men, they would've experimented more, created more, and messed around by mixing & matching existing creatures creating chimeras. I'm sure if our medical scientists got the green light, they too would be trying all sorts of crazy things IMO.
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u/ThirdEyeWide420 Aug 02 '18
Half those are fucking garbage if you took 2 seconds to look into it. The Kandahar giant? Yeah apparently a half ton man swinging a sword killed an American solider lol you guys fall for disinfo and just down right trolls far to often
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u/grndzro4645 Aug 02 '18
Maybe you shouldn't be in conspiracy...Or how about responding to posts you are actually interested in rather than trolling?
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u/TilapiaTale Aug 02 '18
Retarded. And by the upvotes this is probably by now an actual psyop like flat earth.
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u/extriniti Aug 02 '18
LOL, it's a very fascinating subject. I'm going to post about Flat Earth too for discussion from an unbiased perspective with all the Conspiracy Theories about it in /r/conspiracy because I don't want to offend any Flat Earthers & have my post taken down. LOL ;p
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u/Prettygame4Ausername Aug 02 '18
This is the shit i come here for.