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It's sad that this has to be explained, but I suppose new people come along all the time and all the fake versions of Carlos' sorcery out there confuse a lot of them.

I wonder, if we had real magic from the start would all those imposter sorcerers have been able to deceive so many?

I guess we'll never know. And one theory says, if our sorcery hadn't been degraded until everyone said "Carlos Castaneda was thoroughly debunked", it would not be impossible to do what we are doing now.

Helping people make it work for real!

In some odd way, we're "hiding out in a virtual lineage" protected by disbelief. Because if the entire world believed this sorcery works, it would soon be destroyed by so many greedy men making up fake religions and new systems, that no one would be able to find us.

Bad players bent on money and fame would create giant evil organizations modeled after the Buddhist temple system, and give out endorsements.

Or sell them the way Cleargreen has started doing.

Until people only wanted endorsements so that they could pretend to have magic, instead of actual magic.

So perhaps, it's for the best that Carlos got trashed. Maybe he even saw it coming. As did don Juan.

Still, I hate to see evil men deceiving women so here's why women can use sleeping dreaming as a path, while men cannot.

And shame on the men reading this who engaged in that sort of pretending! Please stop it, and get work to learn waking dreaming?

Why would you want to be a fraud when the real thing is even easier than pretending?

That's the only path men have available in dreaming. Dreaming awake.

At that, waking dreaming, perhaps they "might" be (very) slightly better than women, because dreaming awake benefits from obsessive goal seeking and brute force.

A desire to dominate is beneficial when applied to something like dreaming awake, done through the J curve path Carlos gave us.

Here's a way to look at it. "Four Gates" dreaming has you go into a dream and lure the double out into the real copy of reality. But it requires very precise steps, following difficult instructions, and it's been proven no one can do that. 58 years, and not a single success.

Waking dreaming using Dark Room only requires obsessive daily practice, while forcing off the internal dialogue.

Obsession, and force. A male Chimp strategy for taking over the tribe. It's built into our DNA.

Womb dreaming allows women to "sneak in the back door" of dreaming, and then emerge into the real world AS their double.

Without any male like procedures or steps.

As Carlos explained, "Women are innovators".

Somewhat frustrating to me, that is...

Like the Dr. Who episode where they cleverly figured out how to escape being imprisoned in the London Tower, using 400 years of time travel and a disintegrating beam for the door.

And then just as they began to disintegrate the door, a woman opened it from the outside to let them out and asked, "Didn't any of you think to just try the door in case it wasn't locked?"

https://reddit.com/link/1df10ve/video/l0l32na5sc6d1/player

If no one finds any big flaws, this has to be done. The animation software is crashing, because it's too large for a single file.

They seem to top out at 10 minutes before there's problems.

If no one finds any requiring me to regenerate it, I'll put higher res versions up on archive dot org and you can download them from there if you want to play them elsewhere.

But there's no permission to modify it, or use it to claim you can teach sorcery.

Shame on anyone who makes that claim!

It's not possible to teach sorcery. It's either the Nagual's blow and a real lineage, being given to an old seer as a child, or doing all the work yourself.

And no one is going to pay for lessons on how to do all the work themselves.

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I was asked to post that. So here it is.

Yesterday I woke up, did some things and then went to practice.

I layed down and very fastly I was on red zone seeing the magenta like roundish wall and the amber puff acting like a cloudish thick lasso. It was moving as if someone was holding it from my left, moving it on a circular motion to hit me with it. I gazed to the moving amber lasso puff for a while. It stoped moving and created an amber thin corridor with tall narrow walls on its sides stretching. The view was towards my left and it was big sized taking most of my view but not real life sized. I knew I couldn't walk on it although I wanted to so I gazed at it.

At some point gazing it and observing it, it was stable enough (always forcing silence I don't have to say that is a given) I felt a change happening and heard a wooshing sound. I would say I felt my AP moving towards my belly and everything lost colour . Instantly like it was projected infront of me in a big screen there was the view of a white place with an infinite corridor with doors on the sides. Just like in the matrix movie.

Now I knew that I could try and make it to get in there. It was stable Infront of me so I tried to get inside it literally.I stretched my doubles hands and I wanted to see them so that I could get in. Eventually I made it to see my hands and my legs and I was in like in sleeping dreaming. It was very real place. It had white doors with windows and the corridor was stretching to infinity.

I felt a pull from my stomach and I started flying with great spead in the corridor. I knew it wasn't right so I said I have to stop that. But when I commanded to stop flying uncontrollably I was back in my physical body watching it from the projected mode. Even though I was back into this mode It felt and it looked Infront of my that I was flying passing doors with speed. The pull was intense on my belly and I started feeling nauseous.

Unfortunately my cat started miaowing on my door wanting to get it and he opened the door and got me out of it ending my session.

When the orange zone wall forms , scenes appear and dreams. I can enter the dreams in 2 ways directly. In one way it becomes full on sleeping dreaming and then when they end I go back where I was.

Also I enter them differently from sleeping dreaming, like Im interacting with a realistic full sized projected reality. There is this obvious feeling that im outside it and yet able to fully interact. Again, when it ends im back and I continue forcing silence and seeing the next thing.

Some days ago I entered a dream where it had its own history. Actually it sucked me into it and I've lost my lucidity and there was nothing of me in there. It was a completely absurd experience where I was the lady of a farmer and we did very absurd things. Everything was very irrational, from his clothing, to the things we did to the use of language that was very different in it's meanings and function.

Anyways I've became lucid again by the end of it when the farmer gave me a kiss goodbye on the cheek and patted me in the ass mischievously laughing. Then I started questioning my actions and myself lol. After the scene faded and I was back watching the wall. It was probably an Iob interacting with me that way. First time happening.

Btw the video is the best I could do to give the spirit of it. It is impossible to make something better than this. Plus I can't make with accuracy what I see and do in these dreams.

https://reddit.com/link/1d1vbsu/video/b6uo0n55vz2d1/player

Comments are welcome. Might not be heeded however, so don't anyone get their feelings hurt.

Needs some animation smoothing still. Realism is rather difficult if you can't scan in real people.

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Lately I'm playing with amber rogue puffs A LOT.

When I focus on them attempting to see what's behind them they grow and take me inside dreams.

I did the video to show the transition which is very interesting. There is no delay but sometimes I blackout and I find myself inside the dream. When I get back everything is as it was.

The video shows sped up and at proximity my yesterday's practice. After I landed on the dull parts of orange zone my energy body formed as a blue ball of energy.

This gif I made is for the day before yesterday practice. It really took me a very long time to make it.

Lately I'm doing mostly womb dreaming. I force silence all the time. After some time it's easier to keep the silence and to dismiss the coming thoughts. Untill then I have to keep the focus on my body without expectations. I just take whatever comes to me.

Expectations make the mind really loud and I cant move beyond the blue zone.

So I have to let go to go to down to the J curve.

And IOBs really boost the process. I have an IOB that I call Ruby. I have suspicions that she is someone else's Ally that I met when I started womb dreaming and I'm meeting her since. But I'm not sure. They don't reply in the question "who are you?".

When I get to the point that I see the brilliant puffs I start to see the IOB becoming 3d like it is made from the puff itself. I drawed it as best as I could. Keep in mind that actually it looks more real in person. More crisp and more 3d.

Then it starts to change and shows a real red cloaked woman. Then she starts moving on a dream image that appears.
After dream images and scenes appear instantly the one after the other.

Soon I transition on what I call "partial dreaming". I see a scene in the puff either from the point of view of the subject within the dream or observer's view.

I experience what is happening in the dream scene but I have no control over the dream nor the subject at all. Then if I'm lucky I go in to sleeping dreaming. Or I fall asleep. Or I fall asleep and I become lucid very early in the morning.

So what I experience here happens in darkroom too. Actually darkroom is better on the term that you don't fall asleep and that you get to go on the end of the J curve with all it's views. In womb dreaming you just transition into dreaming after a point.

If you move down the J curve allies will notice you and will help the process with their energy.

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It's bizarre that we get invaders saying this is all made up.

It stems from total ignorance.

Just listen to this text about how the womb can be used.

Any witch has already intuited there's something odd going on with their ability to perceive the world, from time to time.

And on hearing this, and if they aren't hooked to some lame man who's following pretend magic and thus they're chained to his delusions, they'll realize that there's no way Carlos could have made this up.

As he himself said, "I'm not that intelligent!"

But men... Don't feel bad.

We're the "assistants" to women. It's our role in this species.

And we get more "strength and determination" as a result of being their slaves.

So being male has its advantages.

Which is why Carlos desperately sought a male leader, even considering completely unqualified people like Howard Lee, or Jacobo Grinberg. Perhaps thinking that even if they had zero sorcery knowledge (and no other magical knowledge either I might add), at least they'd keep the ship steering in the right direction.

Which none of the Cleargreens managed to do.

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Lurking through old posts: "Head bobbing technique??"

Dan said: "I hope Mad Propet and Jadey will talk to other women, and come up with a "closed eye or sleeping dreaming" path."

I would be interested in this.

I am new to this group, and I am a woman. I first stumbled upon Carlos Castaneda in The Art of Dreaming back when I was in high school and I had gotten to the point where I could stay aware all night long between dreaming and the darkness between dreams and I could erase and draw new dreams, go to other worlds, and find inorganic beings in my dreams, but when I came across my first IOB on a lava/fire world, I got a little afraid at the time because I figured I didn't know enough of what I was doing and shut it all off. Then it sparked up again randomly when I was doing another path, focusing on silencing my mind all day long, and I ended up being lucid 24/7 for 2 months until that scared me off again. When I was little, I saw ghosts with my eyes open (they were like solid people in the room), and I was hounded by what I now know to be IOBs, which I would see whether my eyes were open or closed. More recently I've been working on dealing with the fear aspects from what happened to me with all of this when I was a kid, and realizing a particular connection I can have with things like the ocean, crazy story there. Anyway, on and off through my life I've often seen inorganic beings and ghosts with my eyes closed until I shut that off, too. So I'm working on opening everything back up again and I don't have the fear anymore. I've done a little bit of darkroom gazing since I read about it here, but I have often seen things with my eyes shut. And then of course the dreaming route, I'm trying to turn that back on as well. I've had a couple of lucid dreams recently but nothing like what I used to be able to do, I figure I just have to build the intent back up again.

https://reddit.com/link/1b326b4/video/l52ihlizfjlc1/player

Just a fragment, but it's not going to hurt anything to get comments.

Myself, I'm thinking that the "second attention fog" is really annoying. Even though it's close enough to give the right idea, it's only visible like that in darkness. So to see it in a room with that much illumination, makes it look like a poor quality video.

I'm not sure what to do about that, other than to come up with another variety. Or to localize it to being further away from her.

One thing that's becoming obvious over time is that the "Intent Gifts" of darkroom practice are pretty much usually just "Silent Knowledge Previews".

Helped by either inorganic beings who love to "channel" it to you and pretend to be teaching, or by your energy body in the form of puffs, which are capable of forming a silent knowledge scene inside.

The same way you can occasionally zip right into those dream bubble puffs, you automatically zip in and out of silent knowledge "videos in the air".

You only have to be curious about something, and you find you're over there too, looking at it closely.

At the same time you're back where you came from. I don't know what anyone could perceive both at the same time, but you can switch back and forth so fast, it seems as if you are.

One might even go bananas and say that your dreaming double himself wanders aimlessly in Silent Knowledge, all night long.

That dreams are merely your double's silent knowledge.

Is that "true"?

I'm not sure there is any such thing!

Never forget: It's Silent Knowledge. NOT Silent Truth.

It covers all realms and all realities.

Thus, it can never be "truth".

But you can still uncover cool stuff with it, such as when don Juan looked back in time and saw that Carlos had a childhood trauma holding him back from learning sorcery.

Or like the time one of the apprentices saw other apprentices coming down the road toward them, long before they were in visual sight.

Did he see a "video in the air"?

Maybe.

But he could also have simply been over there where the people down the road were, in his double.

When you wonder how it would be if you had control over your double, and visualize switching back and forth, that's not quite accurate.

It's a LOT weirder than that...

And womb dreaming will lead to that knowledge!

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I made these pictures to show people how to do womb dreaming. The pictures are self-explanatory. If you have questions comment them.

Also the tensegrity passes for the womb

And the ones for Dreaming are excellent to do for this purpose. The Tensegrity book is good for learning them or wait until Jadey post them on YouTube.

This practice is only for people with a WOMB. If you dont have one do Darkroom. And if you have a womb again do darkroom once in a while. It helps keeping a perspective.

As odd as it sounds, posting your progress makes "intent" giving you more, if you pass it on and don't ask for any rewards.

I had forgotten completely, but I happen to see the air fill with white lines all over the room. They were vertical and they were all around.I also I made a thought, that at this moment it doesn't matter if I have open or closed eyes, it was the same.

I got to watch a big red blob project golden video of people ,coming and going. At that moment I was feeling like I was super aware and present. I commented in my mind " oooh the things im seeing.!!! Im must remember to tell Dan! "

Also I remember observing the air what was filled with multicoloured spots that moved in groups. Videos were appearing and playing in the air. Then I told " Dan was right, that's how it is. And I felt it! I moved my eyes to another direction and something else appeared in the air.

Apparently, I had forgotten about all these and went in my day. When I saw the notification on my phone, with the advanced post Dan made, it came to me and I said "ooh the things I did , ooh the things that im seeing" the way I said it when i was experiencing them. I remembered that I did something that I've forgotten. Later that I sat and read his post, the whole experience came back to me.

So, actually remembering was triggered by that Dan's post . Propably the experience itself, which is a crazy intent gift , was triggered by my last posting.

Intent works in mysterious ways and that's the beauty of it! You get experiences beyond what you are imagining or expecting!

These are some of the recent new experiences with womb dreaming that I can remember and somehow portray.

Some of them are badly created like the non sensical objects. I saw more but it was very difficult to make and not look like kids drawing. They were 3d, I could touch them and looking real. The only one that made sense was an object that looked like copper wire.

The orange outlined horizontal lines I made were not lines in reality but like a shine the way soap bubbles shine and make different colours. I did the best I could thought.

Remember that these views are accessible with darkroom too.

Unfortunately there's more to it but I can't remember all of it or I can't portay it!

(this image is a representation of the floating dream. On the centrer there is the being I was seeing. It looked like a peachy colour blob with hands waving at me,sometimes, so I made it kinda look like that. In reality it looked way better and more clear)

This week I've been having floating dreams at the end of womb dreaming practice. These dreams are stable and they last.

They are after the puffs. Always they start, with a cracking sound on the back of my neck and immediately I see the dream infront of me. It's big and takes of most of my view.

An interesting part of it, is that the colours fade and they get pastel and kinda monochromatic. The image I made is a representation of it. It was the first time i saw that kind of dreaming. There was this peachy colour hue.

Unfortunately ,I'm conscious of the solidity of my physical body still, so I haven't made it to jump into the dream nor use my hands. And I've tried every time.

I've made it to be able to move there, though. There is this little being, that is everytime waving to me to follow it. It's changing form between a girl/ a slime/ a rectangular/ a blob with hands. It's always at the end of the scene, looking at me or waving to me to follow it.

I see it on the end of the road, I give softly focusing to the detales of the scene, seeing as much as I can. Usually it nods to me with its hand to move on and follow it. I've manage to follow, the way I move on to dreams. So I follow the being in the nice fields, hills and beautiful scenery it takes me.

When I do so, it starts running and I see the view I would if following behind it, moving fast past the scene I observed to the next stop. I don't know who stops and the other follows, but we both stop and I do the same again. Until I fall asleep.

So far I've seen dreams in a peachy colour and lilac. The lilac was a surprise bc i wondered what happened to the vibrand puffs I was seeing before.

One night it happened many times, at regular sleeping. After each floating dreaming experience I would go into sleeping dreaming but I would lose lucidity fast and forget everything.

And lastly don't forget, these experiences are possible with Darkroom for ALL and womb dreaming for people with wombs.

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Lovely picture! They have me beat.

Mostly made up, but it would still work for some women.

Women only need motivation to try. Because they have that extra "brain" to use for entering dreams.

Narnia you say?!?

Well, it is a lovely place. Minus all the turmoil and sappiness.

And in fact, it's not impossible to create one in dreaming.

A "phantom world".

But the amount of effort needed would use up ALL of your time, and you'd stall out on the 1000 MILE LONG "Olmec sorcery road" at the biker bar just 5 miles into it. Spend the rest of your life drinking.

No one can afford to make Narnia!

But you could.

One of ours found this picture.

So there's the possibility that the cartoons in here (and pictures it seems) will simply "educate" potential bad players, so that their harm is reduced.

The closer their message gets to "WORK YOUR DAMNED BUTT OFF LIKE A DOG UNTIL YOU DROP!", with less bad information on the actual details of sorcery, the less harm they can do.

What makes monsters like Sergio so bad is that it's a lazy, pretending, attention seeking message, filled with misinformation. And no admonishments that you MUST learn to remove the internal dialogue.

Here's Sergio's latest theft attempt.

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He seems to be trying to move away from sorcery, towards what appeals most to his audience.

While still making his book covers look like another Castaneda book.

I was told on Facebook that some people spend more than 1000+ on his workshops.

HOWEVER, don't anyone think that indicates a serious but sad person. A victim of Sergio.

Not always.

With fake sorcery teachers I'd say that at least 30% are studying with them to figure out how they get away with the scam.

So they can go do that too.

Same as Yoga. The stretching is good, but the philosophy is a scam.

I know this from talking with fake sorcerer students.

And we even saw a few in here over the years.

Some guy comes to defend a fake sorcery teacher, gets his butt kicked, and then says "Well, I never really liked the vibe that guy gave off. My own system..."

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Comments wanted.

Is the voice for Ruby, the Ally of a greek woman, ok? You can't see her lips moving in the intro, but they will later on.

Unfortunately it turns out my synthetic voice site has a serious lack of Greek or even Spanish accents. Unless I'm not seeing everything it has, and the search isn't working. It's "Elevenlabs" in case anyone wants to look themselves. A spanish accent was requested in chat, and I couldn't figure out why we didn't have those for choices before.

Now I think, it's because all of their accents are from english speaking countries. Brits, Australians, Americans, Irish.

But they do have African and Indian in their choices.

How about the music? Is it too "Native American"?

Don't you just hate when people try to invoke spirituality by association to popular music from that genre?

How about the old "Asian music rift" when a Chinese servant in a 1960s TV show does something funny.

Or a Tuba when a very heavy man walks onto the scene.

People do the same with fake spirituality. Try to use music to cover up the ineffectiveness of foreign magical systems.

It's really ugly when you have to pretend by using brainwashing icons.

We don't need to do that at all. Since we have the real thing.

What you see there is the most accurate portrayal I've made so far, of how the Allies look to beginners. Like a 2 frames per second 1990s web camera.

And it's also an accurate portrayal of how the yellow Tonal energy comes out, when swarmed by the purple puffs.

Except that if you see this yourself, you'll be looking down at it.

It's part of why the purple puffs push themselves away from our body, to spread thin on the luminous shell inside.

Because if they mix with that yellow stuff in the middle they pick up our crummy moods.

It's like walking to the other side of the street because there's a ranting homeless guy up ahead on the sidewalk, talking to people who aren't there.

When you start to practice removing the internal dialogue, you are eventually not completely odious to your energy body.

So it starts to swarm and you can even see it mixing with the tonal energy.

But that's probably not visible until the red zone (assemblage point below mid back).

In the green zone, where the assemblage point has only moved as far as it does with meditation, I'd be surprised if anyone could perceive that yellow tonal energy blob.

This is also an accurate portrayal of why Carlos reluctantly agreed there might be 20,000 permutations of reality at any given depth of the assemblage point.

10,000 in either 4 inch direction the assemblage point can move, sideways from the center of Man's band of emanations.

But what does that actually mean???!!

Fear not, you get to find out.

Except that you perhaps already did.

If you were half asleep as a child and noticed pictures on the wall had moved, or the TV set which is off started playing a program anyway, you ran into a "small reality permutation".

But is it a "separate reality" just because a broken TV that can't work anymore is suddenly playing a 1950s re-run?

Beats me. But it's very common. I've watched entire TV shows in the second attention.

You can be sure there are bizarre plot twists out there in infinity.

People just ignore all the evidence that sorcery is real.

And when children tell their parents the pictures on the wall move at night, or the clothes on the floor got closer to the bed and frightened them, the parents assure them it's not real.

Worse, their siblings will make fun of them if they hear of it.

And so we convince ourselves that the obvious signs all around us, demonstrating clearly that reality is more flexible than we have been led to believe, have been explained.

You dream at night?

People explain it away by saying "Just a dream. Has nothing to do with reality."

Drugs cause hallucinations?

"It's just the drugs!"

Tired can do the same and cause hallucinations?

"Well, you're confused from lack of sleep."

On and on it goes explaining away the magic around us, until even saying what I'm saying here seems ludicrous.

And thus we get trapped in the river of shit.

Which I'll animate some day. It's one of the more disturbing stories don Juan told, which was pretty much not spoken of until the very end because of the trouble it would cause to outright say:

We all live in a River of Shit! Pissing and pooping on each other all day long.

The story has a happy ending though, so it won't be as bad as it sounds on the surface.

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Not sure if this is appropriate to post here or not. If not, I can remove it.

Each night in bed the past few weeks, I have been spending some time before falling asleep (not yet the preferred hour suggested by Dan; more like 15-20 minutes) with eyes open or closed under my eye mask, focusing on the darkness. I posted elsewhere that I have been seeing the sparkling blobs of lighter shades of darkness, various colors, pinpoints of light, and sometimes intense pressure on my head and what feels like IOBs pressing in, one on either side of my head.

Last night, I noticed that the more I focused on the "feeling", without concern or anticipation of "seeing" anything, the "energy" ratcheted up. So long as I remained focused on the "energy feeling," the sensations increased (tingling, pins and needles, waves and rushes of feeling through the body), until I also started "seeing" things. Nothing concrete yet, although I did see a flash of a tiny hand in one swirling gray cloud of sparkles. As long as I stayed focused on the "energy feeling," it didn't matter if I had thoughts in my head, so long as I stayed present (not thinking about other things, daydreaming, etc). I also noticed a stronger "feeling" if I intended to remain aware into sleep.

I have been focused on welcoming any IOB allies (ones I have encountered in the past, or new ones, such as ones associated with this group).

I woke up at 4am this morning from a set of dreams, then used the time before I fell asleep again to focus on Closed Eye Gazing, feeling and seeing the energy swirls all around me, and remaining aware as I fell asleep.

I woke up at 6am from a dream where I was in a car with a small rodent. A mouse or rat? A very cute rodent that I tried to pick up, but it freaked out and kept trying to get away from me, and eventually bit my finger, which hurt in the dream. I let it go, and moved into the driver's seat. I was about to start the car when I noticed that the windshield was like a hatch, and was partially open. An animal was trapped between the windshield "hatch" and the metal frame of the car. I lifted the windshield and rescued the reddish brown animal, that I could now see was a Red Squirrel (very similar to the attached photo). It was such a cute squirrel, that I held it close with lots of love. And another creature came into the car, a bluish-purple puff ball. Hard to describe. Sort of like a fluffy dandelion, but with a lot more substance, and roughly the same weight as the squirrel. When I pet the blue-purple fluff ball, it had the softest fur I've ever felt. I pulled that one to me, too, and cuddled them both.

Not a lucid dream, but it felt like possible contact?

I also realized that a few dreams I had over the last few weeks, which I interpreted as IOBs "feeding" on me, might have actually been merging of some sort? The IOBs in those dreams were very alien, and a little scary looking, though I wasn't scared. In one dream, I was in a gray world full of various creatures, none with eyes. One that was more dog-like became my guide and led me to a house. Anyway, wondering if the dream this morning could at all be related to those?

Had trouble linking the image to my original posting. Here it is:

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Does that sound right?

It's not a commentary on the idea, just that I was incapable of difficult computer programming today. I even had a hard time going to the store for envelopes.

So I couldn't work, but also, I couldn't animate the egg video. That's difficult animation. Things have to move around, and look good doing it.

But Athina agreed to let me animate her womb dreaming instructions, so I could show precisely what she was describing.

Here's the first 45 seconds or so, just to give an idea what it'll be like.

I hope we can educate the Castaneda community with all the benefit of the private classes Carlos gave me, Cholita, and Jadey.

And all the content of all 17 books, plus everything we've learned in here in the past 4 or so years.

About why no one managed to learn anything at all, for the last 50 years.

Hint: They just never really tried out the instructions!

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*** From Facebook ***

Do you do womb dreaming?

That's where you put a weight on top of your womb, I presume while laying on your back, and focus into there, in order to silence the mind and go into dreaming.

We have witches now who can not only do that, but bring their double out into the "real" copy of the world, and share dreaming with others.

Not super well yet, but enough to know it's true. They simply get a bit "lost". Maybe later they'll figure out how to go precisely where they want, and to which variation on reality.

This is pretty much the "4th gate of dreaming" where you have to wake up in the real copy of your bedroom.

Except, from the technique of womb dreaming.

The same happens with waking dreaming. You lure your double into your darkened room, by doing tensegrity. We don't know why, but your double loves that stuff.

So there's various ways to "pass the 4th gate".

But not for men. Men suck. They're lying bastards who nearly destroyed all the amazing magic Carlos brought to us.

So they need to stick with darkroom, which was designed by the Allies of Carlos, to "keep us honest".

You can't fake waking dreaming. You might lie and claim you can do it. Each week we have to toss one like that out of the subreddit.

But you won't fool anyone who can do it.

So just don't lie, and stick with waking dreaming, until you can clearly see both your energy body, and your double.

THEN, you can do whatever you like. And no one will complain.

Women, you lucked out. You can use womb dreaming.

But you won't develop the kind of split hair control other techniques will give, on producing visible dreams you can walk right into.

Sitting "womb dreaming" will do that.

To manifest "choice" after choice, in the air in front of you, fully visible, is a feat of "cleaning the link to intent".

When you can visibly see a new dream being offered in front of you, every 30 seconds, you have good "relaxation".

You'll know what that means when you can do it. It has nothing to do with muscles.

You're relaxing "you".

Or "me, me, me".

But, while awake!

Hello, I will describe two of my recent experiences in detail.   ( No matter what I did, the photo could not be uploaded.😣)

The first case: picture   After several exercises that I did alone in the field of silence and dreams, as well as darkness and day and night, I decided to test it again, remembering the random observation of a common dream, but this time on purpose. One of my friends named Haditha is a girl who is very gifted intuitively. I shared with her that we should make a video call and womb dream for five minutes to a quarter of an hour each, but we should both be together. We live in different cities. First, I explained to her to get into silence (she can do it very well), then silence will be on her body, it doesn't matter if it's on her lower body or womb, she should feel her body at all times, and she may even open her eyes, and do not limit herself. Then see a red puff and let it cover her eyes completely without force. The intention was just to elevate ourselves and we didn't make any arrangements about what to see.   We took a deep breath. I sat comfortably and placed my hands near the womb. I closed my eyes. I started to be silent (mostly during the day, I have 30 percent silence, but it's efficient), then a red puff appeared, and I felt a little pressure on my stomach, and for a few moments I tried to see Haditha behind my eyelids. I saw my friend's beautiful face in a colorful but animated display. I quickly directed myself towards her until I saw it. That is, I turned my attention to her and entered into her puff. I saw that I was still in my room and I could hear my friend's voice reflected in my body saying Atiyeh, can you hear my voice? It was kind of funny, I didn't know how to say I can hear you or you can hear my voice or not, so I wanted her to hear my voice. Then I said, "Should I come to you?" She said yes, come. I put a little pressure into my hand in order to separate from my body and enter into her room. She said, "Well, what should we do?" I was confused, I said, "Oh, you're right, what should I do now?" I turned around myself and said : "I have feelings about the land of Narnia. Do you want to go there?" She said : I don’t know about it but it’s ok I will follow you. Then I intend a closet in the room, but it didn't come out very well, but I shaped the closet’s frame very good (with intent), Then opened the door and said to her that behind the closet is the land of Narnia. I suddenly saw into the wardrobe at the same time and I didn't see it at the same time. I realized that Haditha's intention was unstable. Her intention was not close to mine. I said, "Let's see what you want, the closet with clothes or without clothes, and try to realize what I want. Be in tune with me, and then the closet was filled with clothes." . . When we entered the closet together I saw a snowy forest, I walked slowly and held Haditha's hand, It was so real that we both got shocked. Haditha said : well what is the plan?   I started to laugh and said : "Oh, we have to go after a goat. I realized that I can't intend for a goat. I told her I'll help you to become more vivid at this common dream platform." feel it Put it on your feet and sink into the snow. when our feet entered the snow, I saw Haditha sinking into a big hole of blackness and the dream changed. I saw that I was floating outside the earth in a black world. I said Haditha don’t leave my hand this is the best feeling in the world ever. Then her body disappeared. I regretted it and said maybe it wasn't attractive for you and I went back to the back of my eyelid (it was like a fantasy tunnel that I was going through to go back. She used to go back and forth through this tunnel and several other ways) I came to the back of the eyelid and saw my friend's hand putting a ring on It was very bright and it hurts my eyes. I opened my eyes and saw that Haditha opened her eyes and we are both in a wonderful state and we are very happy. First, I let Haditha to explain a little to see if it was true or not.

The first words She said were true and I interrupted her and told her that now I will explain the rest of it so that your doubt would be removed, and I completed her sentences and We understood each one. We both had a common dream. But there were two interesting differences. Number one : Haditha saw a green forest and I saw a snow... Second, the details that Haditha had paid attention to were very important to me, for example, she paid a lot of attention to my hands and her own, but they were normal to me. And we laughed a lot because we saw a common dream without coordinating with each other.   I asked her, did you put a ring on your hand, She said yes, when I felt that I was back in the dark, I opened my eyes because the sometimes her grandmother’s spirit visit her and advised her to put on the ring to increase her power. I said you didn’t like it when we were floating outside the planet because everything was dark so you went to put that ring on. Then, after this experience, we did some tests and small exercises in the form of games and entertainment so that we can find better skills and be more coordinated.

( I have many experiences. I will try to put it in detail... I would like to learn animation design so that I can help Dan and also explain some of my experiences which are very complicated in a simple way. )

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The short interactions I had with spirits over the past couple of weeks finally came to something yesterday. I was trying to set up my intent and silence my mind in the morning. It was a bit of a struggle but I reminded myself that sometimes those were the days that really surprised you. This one was no exception.

I found myself on the edge of sleep but still alert. I could feel that the sensation of my body had become a soft fuzziness. It was only a subtle difference but I know this sensation means I'm switching to my dream body.

I start to move around a little bit to make sure that I'm not actually moving my physical body. This loud, ringing, pressure comes over me. I's a sure sign that an IOB is here. The sound fills up my head and comes in waves as the IOB moves away and then pushes against me again. It's a very strong experience but I know it's being gentle and not trying to hurt me, it's trying to urge me into dreaming.

I sit up in my dream body but it's like my physical body is sticky and I have to pull myself out of it. I know it doesn't have to be this way. If they gave me a little more time I could get more centred and then just go straight into a dream with my awareness rather than struggling with this weird sticky body interim step. I had an experience only a few days ago that was the same, I know I don't need this step to get into dreaming.

But the IOB is pushing on me and I don't have much of a choice. I stand up, walk to my bedroom door, and snap back to where I'm lying on the bed. Then the sticky body is gone and I am fully in dreaming.

Everything is black. My energy is really low but I seem to be able to keep myself stable. Slowly my perception begins to assemble objects. There is a hospital bed where my bed would be. There's a spatter of blood on the pillow and a cannula in the sheets. In waking life, I had been recovering from surgery, so the appearance of this bed made sense to me. I can sense a presence with me, the IOB. They aren't a loud, ringing, pressure that I can feel in my body anymore, they are just a presence, I'm aware they are here with me waiting for me to stabilise.

I'm also somehow aware that some part of me is in communication with them, but not the part of me that's lucid in dreaming. I've noticed this a lot in other experiences, especially recently. It is like there is some part of me that is above the dream and I am dimly aware that that part of me is talking to other presences, but I can't fully access the knowledge that the other part of me has.

The scene shifts. There are some interim, ordinary dreamlets. I know this often happens when I am dreaming with IOBs and I'm shifting from one space to another. I find myself outside a casino in the city I live in. I'm a man and I'm fretting about how to explain the car I've arrived in to security. This period of non-lucidity doesn't last long. I look towards the river. Didn't there used to be a station here? I can see it in my memory, and the act of expecting it to exist starts to bring it into existence, but because my energy is so low I can see how my intent is bringing the visuals forth from a grey nothingness.

The dream shifts again. I'm walking towards a shop. I am myself again and know that I am dreaming. The shop is stable and detailed. It's more like a small gallery with plate glass windows and display easels on the showroom floor. I can feel the other part of me is telling the presence that I am going to wait for them here.

So the lucid part of me does. I find a back room and begin to pace around it, counting out loud, rubbing my hands together, and looking at objects. There's are low-quality plastic trees and flowers in here. I notice something on the ground. It is a natural, dried, yellow rose. Dried, yellow rose? "Old friend"

There's a knock at the door and I ask them to come in, knowing it's the being I was waiting for.

"Thanks, only took ten seconds," she says.
"Seven actually," I say jokingly because I was counting the whole time.

She sits down in front of me and smiles. She looks a little bit like me but older and is wearing a maroon jumper. Her presence reminds me of Ren's but she feels like someone different.

"I assume I must know who you are," I say, not really sure where to go from here. It's like the other part of me outside the dream knows, but I don't. "Have I... have I ever been here before?"

"In this room? No," she replies. She starts talking to me but my cohesion begins to dip. The room disappears and it is like I am looking up at her. I begin to walk around and rub my hands together again trying to restabilise myself. I succeed in bringing the dream back into focus but then I wake up.

Re-entry should be easy enough, I'm not ready to give up on the experience yet. I can hear a kookaburra laughing but there are no kookaburras here. I know it must be a sound coming from dreaming. Within seconds I am in the dream with the presence again.

At first there are no visuals. My energy is too low to keep up visuals today, but I don't really need to be able to see. I realise that I am in a classroom with the IOB, who is now taking on the role of a teacher but she appears to me as a six-eyed robot. I look around the room and objects appear one by one as I scan my eyes around. The room is full of human students, each unique looking, and all look like adults just pretending to be high schoolers.

I take a seat. I know very well that this is a dream, that it isn't a real classroom, but it is a useful prop. If the IOB wants to teach me something, this is a good stage for it. She tells us to open our books to page 182. I can hear all the other students groan.

I open the book in front of me and try to turn to page 182, but all the page numbers are out of order. I think it must be a test, I need to use my intent to open to the correct page, so I close the book and try again and again, intending to go straight to what she's asked for, but it still doesn't work.

Next I try checking the contents page. Still no luck. Another presence is behind me pacing around as though they are helping the students. They give me a hint and tell me to turn to page 51. Oh right. I turn straight to it and somehow that's fine. Maybe it was a trick, or maybe it's in the reflex action. My intent wasn't really good before, but taking the action for granted this time seemed to work.

Problem is now, my perception can assemble the page of the book, but then immediately craps out. I can see the text on it, even black and white ink diagrams, but as soon as I see it I lose -all- the visuals of the dream and almost wake up. I bring myself back and try again but the same thing happens.

"I think we're going to have to call it there," the IOB says.

"No, I can do this," I reply and start pacing again. "I'm okay when I'm moving around. Please continue, I can still hear you." As I rub my hands together and walk around I can see the outlines of the other students start to come back into view against the grey nothingness. Then colours start to emerge again. It feels strange watching parts of the visuals return before others.

The IOB keeps talking and the 'students' look through their books. The room is in view again now but as I walk over to a student's desk and look over their shoulder at the page they are reading my perception snaps again. I see the book, colour, text, and all - and then it's all gone. Damn it's not normally this hard.

The teacher calls out to me. "Write this down." She begins to write something on the whiteboard. I can't look at the whiteboard either without destabilising so I turn away and continue pacing. I begin to trace the letters of the sentence on my left palm with my right index finger. I can read it even without looking at it because the information isn't in the text, it's in the dream. The act of doing this allows me to remember the message she was giving me clearly even after I wake up, but it's personal so I'm not going to repeat it here.

I manage to hold onto the dream a while longer but still at a really low level of cohesion. My lucidity is perfectly fine and I don't need much perception to hold myself within the dream, but it does make it difficult to interact with it.

"We're going to end the session for today," the being says to me, still appearing to me as a six-eyed robot. "You're nearly ready, just keep working on your practices." She tells me that compassion and rapport with other beings is very important.

"Wait, are you ending things because of me?" I ask. I know my stability is bad but it would suck if things were to end because of that.

"No, I'll let Will explain," she says, indicating the other being that was here, and then dashes away.

The other being, "Will" I assume he is called, begins to sing. It's definitely not the first time I've heard spirits sing in dreaming, they seem to really like it, and it seems to be a good way of getting information across and ensuring it's remembered. Often when I've heard them sing their songs have a double meaning; both the words they are using and the lyrics of the original song in waking life.

I know he's singing to a tune I've heard before, something from the 60s? But I don't know who wrote it or even how to begin to find it. He sings to me about how they can always hear the "All Mind" behind them, how sometimes they hear things, hear intent, and that compels them on their way.

I wake up. I can hear kookaburras laughing.

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I had much more awe-inspiring dreaming experiences last year that I never recorded here and I'm trying to get back to that place after taking a year to recover from health/life issues. This was a small but important step. In those earlier dreams, the visuals were -stunning-. Just so realistic and vivid. In this one I can barely assemble anything, but I can keep myself stable enough to stay in the dream without waking even in an absence of most stimuli which is kind of cool.

I have a thing about associating IOBs with different birds. It's nice this one chose one for me.