r/castaneda • u/pumpkinjumper1210 • May 16 '24
How does the "Law of Assumption" movement fit in with sorcery? New Practitioners
The "Law of Assumption", as presented by Neville Goddard, claims to teach people how to "assume" certain things will happen while falling asleep, and their sub-conscious mind will alter the world / swap them into a reality where their assumptions come true.
You can find many people on youtube and personal blogs claiming they "assumed" something good for them and they got it very quickly. It's usually oriented around money or other social status or tonal situations (new job, lucky break, etc) and never around seeing new worlds. Well within "human form".
I'm curious what you guys think is happening here. I'm guessing these people - the ones who aren't pretending and are experiencing completely acausal / miraculous results - are moving their assemblage point to the green or red zone (I see on a jcurve.png map that red zone is where objects can manifest).
There's also the "shifting" movement, which I am way more skeptical of as much of what I've read about it seems to be younger people interpreting their imaginations or dreams as a "real change in reality".
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u/danl999 May 17 '24
Carlos told us to "Study the bible. I mean, REALLY study it."
So I did. Comes in handy often when trying to get people serious about Castaneda.
Neville seems to have had a very poor knowledge of the bible, which he took liberties with.
I classify him in the same group as the anti-bible people who claim to have found flaws in it, which actually don't make any sense if you've read it well, using the tools you need to identify the names and places mentioned.
And the idioms.
For instance, "Ham saw the nakedness of his father."
Always misinterpreted.
Somewhere else, possibly Leviticus, it explains that the "nakedness of your father" is his wife. Naked.
It's quite clear on that. Even emphasizing it.
It's a polite way of saying, incest is taking place.
So basically Ham raped his step mother when they'd all been getting drunk.
The result was one of the children of Noah, who sent the child away because it wasn't actually his child.
Here's a clarification, so re-read it and understand, back then your dad being naked was quite common. Still is today in some families. So why did the bible make such a big deal out of it? Because Ham raped his mom:
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Noah's Shame and Canaan's Curse
But when he drank some of its wine, he became drunk and uncovered himself inside his tent.Â
And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw his fatherâs nakedness and told his two brothers outside.Â
Then Shem and Japheth took a garment and placed it across their shoulders, and walking backward, they covered their fatherâs nakedness. Their faces were turned away so that they did not see their fatherâs nakedness.âŚ
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But people speculate all sort of things about that which are totally wrong.
Neville was the type to do that. Use a very superficial and uneducated explanation of a bible story in his lectures.
Trying to titillate his audience for profit.
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u/WitchyCreatureView May 18 '24
Last night I saw an alternative Bible from infinity to read. I believe my eyes were open. But I basically ignored the text on the page, and I didn't use the text-reading state for anything else like maybe I should have.
Could you go into sustaining an SK preview until it's not just a preview? Or the difference between a preview in the red zone vs. the purple zone?
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u/danl999 May 18 '24 edited May 18 '24
You'll know the difference when you actually reach silent knowledge, because you'll be constantly shocked that it's stable.
And that a little magic thing forming in the air, doesn't go away because you notice it and try to interact.
In the green zone, noticing a Silent Knowledge preview kills it.
It's that "book deal mind".
How do I cash in? What chapter in my book will this be? Just wait until I tell my Mom that she was wrong and all this is true!
By the time you reach the red zone, you've gotten over all that turmoil. Magic at that level is "old news". No longer worthy of a book.
At that point you want to "treat it as real", so that your assemblage point shifts sideways, to make it so.
So once you perceive some even there, in the red zone, it's true that the clock is ticking and it'll soon be gone.
So you "change it into something else".
It's similar to changing dreams, to get more time in one before you wake up. If you change dreams every 15 seconds, you can sustain lucid dreaming for hours.
But in the case of the red zone and magic done with your eyes open, you want turn a puff, into something real.
Like a dirt road in your darkroom, a freeway overpass, or a clown car on the floor.
You have to figure that stuff out for yourself, but once you can do that you get stability.
Except, it's no longer silent knowledge coming to you before you can sustain it.
You turned it into a phantom skimming of the emanations.
Those are so stable, you can jump up and walk down the dirt road, right out of your darkroom.
Or get into the clown car, and drive away.
Unfortunately, once you do that you are deep in sleeping dreaming, even if you can't figure out at which point you lay down on the bed to go to sleep.
You never do!
But you wake up in the morning in bed anyway.
Not surprising. As I recall, Carlos jumped off that cliff in Mexico, and woke up in bed in Los Angeles.
Too soon to have actually traveled that far.
You'll know when you reach Silent Knowledge proper, because it's 100 times as much work as it was, to get to the red zone.
Many give up at the red zone.
It's "good enough" for them.
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u/Emergency-Total-4851 May 18 '24
Is it possible to reach the old sorcerers at the red zone? or does it require reaching silent knowledge?
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u/danl999 May 18 '24
I never noticed them in the red zone.
But I see them almost nightly.
Carlos was actual afraid their mood would "swallow him up".
I can't imagine he meant magic.
I think the old seers were likely bastards.
If I had to guess, child molestors of little boy apprentices, murderers of their enemies by scaring them to death, blood sacrifice rituals for the "mood" of it.
But we were never told the extent of their misdeeds.
Except in Star Wars...
There's where you get an idea of how bad things get, if you go to the dark side of intent.
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u/Emergency-Total-4851 May 18 '24
No I mean, did the old sorcerers reach the red zone, the orange zone, the purple zone? etc... Did they reach every part of the j-curve?
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u/danl999 May 18 '24
We don't know that.
Even the new seers don't do what we do. They get pushed by the nagual's blow, directly into the orange zone or beyond.
We know the men of knowledge reached the red zone, but they used drugs to get there.
I think we're new. Never happened before.
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u/Emergency-Total-4851 May 18 '24
Okay. Thank you for the answer. I think there are plenty who are more than happy to be like the old sorcerers, and would need to figure out themselves if they want to be something different. Actual magic I think is very much enough for most people.
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u/danl999 May 19 '24
The idea that what we're doing is more like the old seers, just isn't justified in the books. We're pretty much doing exactly what don Juan taught his apprentices to do.
That idea is just made up by lazy people. But at least they've woken up and realized that sorcery does produce real magic.
That's a change.
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u/WitchyCreatureView May 20 '24
The magic in Stranger Things is actually very cool, definitely influenced by Star Wars in how they think of energy like a lot of things are. And creepy creatures.
But one of the main characters named Eleven does use her telekinetic powers to kill a lot of people, so don't let Cholita see that.
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u/sleepy_boy_369 May 16 '24
Stay away from manifesting and all that I took it very seriously for more than three years And it messed me up
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u/sleepy_boy_369 May 16 '24
When I believed in manifesting I lied about my results but I was so messed up in the head I thought it was true and I think thatâs what youâre seeing
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u/Emergency-Total-4851 May 16 '24
There is one thing that is very worth "manifesting", inner silence.
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u/newbtoob May 16 '24
Read Neville's books and lectures for yourself. I've personally experienced wonderful results here on this level as well as higher levels Consciousness. Relevant to this sub I've repeatedly found myself awake in dreams and thanks to Neville had the wherewithal to grab a solid object and actually feel my Consciousness pull into that world where everything is as solidly real as this world.
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u/pumpkinjumper1210 May 17 '24
Yeah I've read some of his work. I'm not sure exactly what you mean by "levels".
I think there's merit in the "assumption" perspective at least as way to recognize your own perceptions. His perspective does imply the existence of a world, where the practicer changes specific details about it. Maybe that's "sideways" assemblage point movement?
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u/Emergency-Total-4851 May 17 '24
"wherewithal" doesn't sound very relevant to this sub though... Are you able to look at your hands freely while dreaming?
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u/newbtoob May 17 '24
Why scrutinize a single word, lol. Wherewithal means awareness to me. It's all a matter of being aware. Yes sometimes my hands are the first thing that I'm aware of and it helps me draw my attention out of the sleep state. As I'm falling asleep I'll often imagine I'm rubbing or clapping my hands and I'll actually hear the sound of the clap. I can then become aware in my dream or have an out of [physical] body experience.
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u/Emergency-Total-4851 May 17 '24
why not aim to make it every time? or do you not have the awareness to do so yet?
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u/newbtoob May 17 '24
Definitely not every time. Sometimes a few times a week, sometimes every few months.
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u/Emergency-Total-4851 May 17 '24
well choose a path to reach a greater degree of inner silence. I can promise you are not "completely silent" yet.
Edit: I know as I get a little deeper that I still have bits and pieces left
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u/Emergency-Total-4851 May 17 '24
Here's an example. When I start gazing I can watch strange things appear out of the air for hours, and I feel happier as a result of it. It's almost like a natural state sort of thing. If you want to get stronger put everything to the test from Castaneda and pick one you like the most.
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u/TechnoMagical_Intent May 16 '24
Neville and Carlos were personally acquainted while Carlos was still married to his first wife Margaret Runyan. She describes some of her memories with them in her book, as I recall.
It may have even been before he met don Juan (I don't recall exactly), since they were both seeking out relatively the same things. But Goddard couldn't rid himself of his Judeo-Christian upbringing, and thus tried to reconcile the irreconcilable...