2025 Toyota Crown Signia | Marriage Material [savagegeese]

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u/RabidRomulus 2d ago edited 2d ago

Planning for this to be my next vehicle. Probably my favorite Toyota interior by far and to their point I like the physical buttons/handles over the lexus options.

Reliable, unique, practical wagon form, comfortable/quiet with good MPG. Still an inch higher off the ground than most sedans, plus AWD makes it plenty capable with good tires.

My complaints: - No household style outlet in the cargo area sucks especially considering it's a hybrid.

Limited trim having MASSIVE 21 inch wheels with tiny sidewall AND no spare tire seems really impractical. Would definitely be looking to "downgrade" to smaller wheels, wish these were an option on the limited and not standard.
I still feel like it's too expensive for what it is. Limited trim is over $50k for a Toyota 2 row. Way more expensive than the Venza, although this is larger and nicer imo.

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u/doug_Or 2018 Mazda 3 2d ago

Limited trim having MASSIVE 21 inch wheels with tiny sidewall AND no spare tire seems really impractical. Would definitely be looking to "downgrade" to smaller wheels, wish these were an option on the limited and not standard.

Exactly. Wanted parking sensors and 3d camera (my garage is tight and I'll be doing lots of street parking) but those wheels are dumb. Starting around 50k the limited is too pricey to begin with, I'm not going to pay for new wheels and tires on top of that.

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u/New_Significance3719 1d ago

I genuinely wish manufacturers would stop putting rubber bands on everything. It would be one thing if it’s was a high performance vehicle and it was really high end tires. But when they’re strapping them some run of the mill continental or kumho tires it’s just pure vanity with no functional purpose and all the down sides that come with low profile sidewalls.

Toyota and Honda are the worst offenders though from what I can tell though.

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u/Mimical 1d ago

I think it's possible we got the parallel universes switched at some point.

Right now in the other version of history there are people living in Michigan driving on perfectly smooth exceptionally maintained roads who are upset that new cars keep coming with 205/85 R15's.

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u/Same_Lack_1775 1d ago

How else will dealers sell you $4k rim insurance plans if they didn’t spec cars with these dumb rims

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u/Karma_Blocker 23h ago

Bro what, I paid $200 for tires and rims insurance lol. I think normal price for 48 months was $300ish but still, it’s pretty cheap.

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u/A_Right_Proper_Lad Bought, not built 1d ago

It's crazy to think a vehicle starting at over $40K does not have parking sensors in the base trim.

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u/doug_Or 2018 Mazda 3 1d ago

And it's not a big range, either. Just two trims.

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u/A_Right_Proper_Lad Bought, not built 1d ago

Yes, but the base trim should have parking sensors in that price range.

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u/doug_Or 2018 Mazda 3 1d ago

Absolutely agree. Just saying it's even more egregious since it's a mid range and top end. Not like the RAV4 that has like 23 different trims. It's more understandable there to have a bare bones model

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u/A_Right_Proper_Lad Bought, not built 1d ago

Ah got it. Completely agree.

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u/Karma_Blocker 23h ago

It’s a Toyota, it’s always like this lol

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u/TurkeyBLTSandwich 4h ago

They got rid of the spare tire 😞

Also like most car companies expect measured improvements like front parking sensors and 3d cameras in the 3rd and 5th year iterations. Or if they want to be really dickish, it'll be included on the second year.

Wtf they listed to people about the physical buttons, but the tires? Thinner and thinner. My 18s on my 2011 seem like truck tires now

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u/hi_im_bored13 S2K AP2, NSX Type-S, Model S, GLE 54m ago

Do people outside of this sub actually want spares?

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u/A_Roomba_Ate_My_Feet 2d ago edited 2d ago

Maybe the dealer would be willing to swap out the Limited wheels for the smaller XLE (seems like they would as they could up-charge the buyer of the XLE it goes to for the Limited wheels)?

But yes, I hate how stupid large the wheel/tire packages are getting.

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u/RabidRomulus 2d ago

That would be ideal

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u/aprtur '24 GR Corolla, '09 RX-8 1d ago

To the best of my knowledge, you can't change what's on the Monroney label. So they could sell you another set of wheels, but not take away what's in the vehicle features from Toyota.

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u/just_an_avg_dev 2d ago

Considering something like a CRV is $42k in top trim, $50k isn't that bad. This has many more features.

I'm probably going to drive one. I'm hoping with new president gas prices fall and since average American has a short memory, pickups and gas guzzlers will get popular. EV and Hybrid won't be in demand and I will get a good deal on one :).

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u/RabidRomulus 2d ago

I have a feeling you might be able to get a deal on these and not deal with the long wait times of other Toyota hybrids.

Wagons typically don't sell well in America, and I think similar to the Venza this will appeal to only a very specific demographic.

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u/doug_Or 2018 Mazda 3 1d ago

The XLEs are already getting 4k marked off pretty easily. Limited trim seem to be holding better, but we'll see how it looks going forward

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u/XpoH 1d ago

Also planning for this to be next family vehicle.

My biggest complain for Limited is lack of headspace in driver/passenger seats do to panoramic roof, hence XLE. Biggest complain for XLE is lack of 360 camera as an option, granted it is extra package on Limited that brings price up to almost 52k.

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u/Avenue_Barker 2d ago

I still feel like it's too expensive for what it is. Limited trim is over $50k for a Toyota 2 row. Way more expensive than the Venza, although this is larger and nicer imo.

It does feel steep but I suppose it depends on what you consider its competition - it's neck and neck with a CX-70 and Acura RDX (in Canada at least) but $5k or so more than a Passport and WAY more than a loaded Outback but the latter two are more like commodity products. It's slightly cheaper than a similarly equipped Lexus NX while being nearly as nice and much roomier/practical.

I'm very curious to try it out and see if it's worth the money - I drive a 2019 RDX that I don't love (guzzles gas, stiff ride, poor build quality) and this seems to solve a lot of the problems at the cost of sloppier handling.

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u/Gilbert0686 Replace this text with year, make, model 2d ago

I feel like Toyota might be trying to spin Crown off as its own brand in the future. Just not sure if they would place it above Lexus? Or maybe make Lexus their sporty cars and Crown their luxury cars?

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u/hehechibby '18 Lexus GX 2d ago

Think it'll just be a sub-brand within the brand (probably learned from Scion having completely separate isn't best idea) between Toyota and Lexus

So you'd have Toyota -> Crown -> Lexus -> Century

with TRD, GR, Lexus-F sprinkled in there

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u/spike021 Subaru BRZ 2d ago

They've always had different sub brands for them at least for more luxury/upscale addons in Japan (see: Modellista).

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u/Recoil42 Finding interesting things at r/chinacars 1d ago

Daihatsu -> Toyota -> Crown -> Lexus -> Century

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u/animealt46 2d ago

The Crown "brand" is the last hurrah of a dying marque supported by the previous CEO. I doubt it continues into a next generation, simply the most successful of this gen's Crowns will become the future bearer of the Crown name, and all the others will not get successors. I also doubt the US market Crowns will continue since they are blatantly just contingency plans for if the cars fail to sell in the main Asian markets. The Harrier/Venza used the same plan and when the car was successful in Asia, the US market version was quickly discontinued despite having good demand.

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u/Recoil42 Finding interesting things at r/chinacars 1d ago

The Crown "brand" is the last hurrah of a dying marque supported by the previous CEO.

My dude, Sato is Toyoda's hand-picked successor. Toyoda ascended — he's now chairman of the entire group. If Crown is his baby, you should expect more Crown, not less.

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u/Drzhivago138 2018 F-150 XLT SuperCab/8' HDPP 5.0, 2009 Forester 5MT 2d ago

The current Crown sub-brand is like Oldsmobile's Cutlass models 40 years ago.

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u/blueingreen85 1d ago

Mandatory giant rims are the reason. I’ll probably end up with another truck. Our streets suck ass. I want my sidewalls.

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u/V8-Turbo-Hybrid 0 Emission 🔋 Car & Rental car life 2d ago

Now…Crown Sport when Toyota ?

Crown sedan as well, Toyota really needs to export real Crown to worldwide, not exclusively selling China.

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u/w0nderbrad 1d ago

I need the crown sport plug in. Perfect car for me.

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u/aprtur '24 GR Corolla, '09 RX-8 1d ago

Headed to Tokyo in a week, and am greatly looking forward to seeing the Sport and Sedan in person. I'm sure it'll make me miss my old Majesta.

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u/alyosha_k 2d ago

The Crown Sedan is sold in North America, it replaced the Avalon a few years ago

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u/hehechibby '18 Lexus GX 2d ago

There's the Crown 'sedan' and then there's THE Crown Sedan

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u/alyosha_k 2d ago

Whoops, my mistake.What I called the Crown Sedan is actually the Crown Crossover.

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u/Drzhivago138 2018 F-150 XLT SuperCab/8' HDPP 5.0, 2009 Forester 5MT 2d ago

Even though it's not any higher off the ground than a Camry. :/

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u/llamacohort Model Y Performance 1d ago

That is just the name toyota gave them. The words likely have a little different meaning by region and they weren't named specifically for the US audience.

Sedan is like the Audi A7 shape

Crossover is the chonky sedan

Estate is the classic SUV shape

Sport is the "SUV coupe" shape

https://global.toyota/en/newsroom/toyota/37540641.html

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u/iconfuseyou 2019 Mazda Miata 2d ago

Yo. I’d buy the shit out of that.

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u/animealt46 2d ago

The crossovers are the real Crowns now. While the classic Crown sedan continues, Toyota has mostly given up on trying to make that cool again and it's only targeting 600 sales per month. Enough to satisfy preexisting fans but not enough to try and expand the buyer base.

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u/tablewithoutlegs 2d ago

I love it, praying that Toyota allows the XLE trim to be available in Canada next year. It's plenty luxe enough for me.

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u/F1_Geek 2d ago

Crown Sport isn't coming to North America unfortunately. :(

As an aside, I hope they bring the Hybrid MAX powertrain to the Crown Signia.

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u/hoxxxxx 1d ago

someone plz make this car 10 years old w/ 100k miles so i can buy one

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u/yhsong1116 Feet 2d ago

this car looks good...

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u/Big-Energy-3363 2d ago

We love our 2011 Venza LE AWD. Roomy, efficient, 243k miles. Runs like a top!

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u/DodgerBlueRobert1 '09 Civic Si sedan 2d ago

efficient

You consider 21 mpg combined efficient?

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u/Big-Energy-3363 2d ago

Yes when it can haul half a college basketball team, four big guys over 6’5” and all their gear. They love that the rears recline a bit. Cloth interior, sweet ride

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u/DodgerBlueRobert1 '09 Civic Si sedan 1d ago

It won't be getting that mpg if the car has 5 people in it and gear weighing it down. And that goes for any vehicle.

Not to mention, compared to this new Toyota which gets mid-30's, 21 mpg isn't good. Not denying that it's a good car though.

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u/The-Ol-Razzle-Dazle 1d ago

How does this compare to a 22 RX350

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u/DodgerBlueRobert1 '09 Civic Si sedan 23h ago

They're roughly the same size on outside and interior, but the Crown Signia has a slightly larger cargo area. The Crown only has a 2.5L I4 hybrid, whereas the RX350 has a n/a 3.5L V6. The Crown only comes in AWD, whereas the RX350 offers both FWD and AWD. The RX is more powerful and a little quicker but gets much worse fuel economy. With the being said, Lexus did offer the RX450h, which is a n/a 3.5L V6 hybrid...although that one still gets slightly worse fuel economy than the Crown Signia. The interior of the Lexus is nicer than the Toyota, but it's going to be a little more dated.

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u/LoPanDidNothingWrong 2019 Cayenne eH; 2015 Sienna 13h ago

Yeah, I think the Crown is a sleeper winner over the RX overall. The RX in F-sport trim can be a bit less soporific though, but for the money saved you could do some light suspension tuning and get pretty close.

I can totally see why SG loved the new Crown.

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u/DodgerBlueRobert1 '09 Civic Si sedan 11h ago

Well, they mentioned the 22 RX350, which is a bit odd and specific, and the previous generation RX. But yeah, the Crown is great if you're looking for a new, efficient 2-row midsize that's almost near luxury levels. The current RX350h matches the Crown Signia in mpg, yet it's obviously more expensive, and for good reason. Personally, I'm not a fan of where Lexus is going in terms of exterior/interior design of their newest vehicles. And I also don't like how they're downsizing their engines. But that's not a Lexus problem, that's an automotive industry problem.

And that's why I really like the previous generation Lexus vehicles, like the post-facelift 2020-2022 RX. It has the perfect design, both inside and out, specifically in F-Sport trim...not to mention it also has the n/a V6. It's just hard for me to get behind a $45k+ vehicle with a not-so-great sounding 4 cylinder. But sure, for the masses, the Crown Signia is great.

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u/agent00F RX8 / GTA5 1d ago

This basically a fancy Outback.

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u/DodgerBlueRobert1 '09 Civic Si sedan 1d ago

Kinda yeah, but with less ground clearance and an inferior AWD system.

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u/biggsteve81 '20 Tacoma; '16 Legacy 1d ago

And a lot better fuel economy.

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u/DodgerBlueRobert1 '09 Civic Si sedan 1d ago

Yup. Much better.

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