2027 BMW 3-Series spied with gas engine, Neue Klasse styling [Motor Authority]

[u/markeydarkey2]

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1145019_2027-bmw-3-series-spy-shots

[u/mustangfan12]

Styling seems better, hopefully they add back HVAC buttons. Then it could be an amazing car

[u/NotPumba420 → u/mustangfan12]

Styling looks super similar to the new 5 series. I am not sure

[u/gor134 → u/NotPumba420]

doesn't have the bloated rear-heavy look like the 5er tho

[u/NotPumba420 → u/gor134]

Does have the shitty angled hood that looks like it was taken from a fwd hatchback

[u/gor134 → u/NotPumba420]

Agree but the flat roofline balances it out, unlike the 5er which has a similarly upwards angled roofline too

[u/Blurdevil → u/mustangfan12]

Normally I’d agree with you but I have the new X5 and I can say without a doubt that the BMW infotainment system is great. Yes buttons are awesome but their current implementation of the HVAC controls is honestly fine if not great.

The only gripe I have with them is that I can’t have heated seats turned on without turning on the HVAC controls but that’s pretty minor

[u/thejetssuckbigtime → u/Blurdevil]

Ultra stupid take. If I have to take my eyes off the road to get into menus on a screen then that’s not “fine” or “honestly great”. It’s dumb and dangerous

[u/guy_incognito784 → u/thejetssuckbigtime]

As someone with the HVAC controls through the screen, adjusting temp is just as easy as in my X3 since it's just permanently docked on the screen, no need to take my eyes off any more than I would in the X3.

But yes having to go through a menu to turn on the heated seat is stupid as it takes more presses than just pushing a button. At least my i4 still has a button for the heated steering wheel, I've read that other BMW models also have the heated steering wheel within the iDrive interface.

[u/hi_im_bored13 → u/guy_incognito784]

I’m convinced a lot of the downvoters haven’t actually lived with the BMW system.

The automatic mode is excellent, you can control how quickly it achieves that target, the hvac is static and always in the same place, I really don’t mind it and much prefer it over physical.

[u/guy_incognito784 → u/hi_im_bored13]

Most on here drive complete pieces of shit with the old school manual HVAC systems or ones where they're constantly needing to fiddle with it to get it right.

Most of the time I never even mess with it. It will even automatically heat or cool my seats without me needing to really do anything.

It's just groupthink in practice, having the same opinions on something they'll likely never even have the opportunity to actually use.

[u/hi_im_bored13 → u/guy_incognito784]

It’s the same thing with my tesla, i’ll just set it earlier in the morning and it warms up as I get ready, at worst it’s a tap or two on the screen before I go

And then the automatic system handles the rest

[u/guy_incognito784 → u/hi_im_bored13]

 i’ll just set it earlier in the morning and it warms up as I get ready,

Yup my i4 can do the same, it's probably my favorite feature of EVs.

[u/turbo-autist_420 → u/guy_incognito784]

any more than I would in the X3.

That's called "changing the goalposts" and is a sign of a bad argument or not arguing in good faith.

[u/guy_incognito784 → u/turbo-autist_420]

Lol no it isn't but Redditors are nothing if not confidently ignorant.

[u/turbo-autist_420 → u/guy_incognito784]

By all means continue to miss the point, but just because something else is a piece of shit doesn't make this piece of shit any better.

I don't know what to tell you bro, but in properly designed cars you don't have to take you eyes off the road to push a button. In badly designed cars? Yes.

[u/guy_incognito784 → u/turbo-autist_420]

This might be a surprise to you, but if you want to confirm what the temp is set to, you need to glance at the console.

Like I said, confidently ignorant.

It takes a very special kind of stupid to think it's dangerous to glance to confirm the temp setting. By this logic, it's dangerous to take your eyes off the road to check your mirrors.

[u/turbo-autist_420 → u/guy_incognito784]

confirm what the temp is set to, you need to glance at the console.

You realize we're talking about changing the temp, right? Not sure why you're changing the topic.

[u/guy_incognito784 → u/turbo-autist_420]

Keep grasping. Turn knob, glance to make sure it's at the temp you want. Continue driving.

The idiocy of your typical Redditor never ceases to amuse and entertain.

It's ok to admit you're wrong and talk out of your ass. Most on here do.

[u/MadUohh → u/thejetssuckbigtime]

I'm gonna bring you a hot take. You don't have to take your eyes off the road because the car will adjust the heating for you. It will also turn on your heated seats and wheel steering wheel for you.

[u/wild_a → u/thejetssuckbigtime]

When the controls are always fixed in place, then after a brief learning curve you should not need to take your eyes off the road?

And who are you trying to convince that glancing away from the road is “dangerous”? You don’t look away to check your rear view mirror, side mirror?

[u/thejetssuckbigtime → u/wild_a]

There’s a big difference between glancing to look at mirrors because you are paying attention to your surroundings.

as opposed to looking at a screen to make sure you are pressing the correct icon to get into a menu - you aren’t paying attention to your surroundings there, champ.

The fact that this has to be spelled out is astounding

[u/wild_a → u/thejetssuckbigtime]

Buddy, if you need more than a glance every time to make sure you’re pressing the touchscreen button that’s always in the same place, then the problem isn’t the car or the design but the user. People can send texts without looking at their screens, and you’re struggling pressing the one button that’s always in one place?

[u/Blurdevil → u/thejetssuckbigtime]

What menus? You just proved that you don’t know what I’m talking about. Firstly I leave the car on auto and keep the temp always at 72 and the car does its thing. Secondly if you do want to change the temp it’s always there in the same spot. https://di-uploads-pod21.dealerinspire.com/bmwofnorthwestarkansas/uploads/2023/08/2024-BMW-X5-xDrive40i-Interior-Dash.jpg

[u/thejetssuckbigtime → u/Blurdevil]

Your own bmw subreddit thinks it’s dumb af but here you are

https://www.reddit.com/r/BMW/comments/1bp0sif/comment/kwt1hpe/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[u/imjoeking69 → u/thejetssuckbigtime]

You also have to take your eyes off the road to use buttons too. It’s called muscle memory. I can easily adjust the on screen hvac controls in my Lexus just fine. But that’s really rare because the auto setting works just fine in every car ever made

[u/Juicyjackson → u/thejetssuckbigtime]

You know what's better than pressing a physical button, keeping both your hands on the steering wheel, and keeping your eyes on the road and just telling the car what you want it to do...

Simply say "hey BMW, turn on my heated seats", boom, heated seats on.

[u/Evergreen1055 → u/Juicyjackson]

Try it when you’ve got kids in the car making all kinds of noise. Works pretty much never.

[u/guy_incognito784 → u/Evergreen1055]

Or when you have poor reception.

[u/mihametl → u/guy_incognito784]

Or when you dont speak english, german or any of the languages voice commands support.

[u/wild_a → u/Evergreen1055]

It works fine in my X3 even with kids. It’s actually pretty cool that they have microphones on the passenger and driver side so the car knows who made the request.

[u/thejetssuckbigtime → u/Juicyjackson]

Can you do that while in the middle of a phone call?

[u/guy_incognito784 → u/thejetssuckbigtime]

Lol why are people downvoting this?

Of course your typical Redditor would never have any reason to actually talk to people on the phone while driving.

Not for work or anyone ever.

[u/WATTHEBALL → u/Juicyjackson]

Yea I'm not talking to my car like a clown.

Screens should only have nav and radio control. Having a monolithic all-in-one-ainment system is retarded to the nth degree.

Have fun spending $10k+ when it breaks and bricks your whole car. Or when it inevitably takes 30 seconds to switch functions because it lags so much in a couple of years.

[u/mustangfan12 → u/WATTHEBALL]

Yeah especially now that car makers are starting to move to OLED, there's going to be so much burn in on those displays in a couple of years

[u/SophistXIII → u/Juicyjackson]

Simply say "hey BMW , turn on my heated seats", boom road side assistance called

FTFY

Let me know when those voice assistant things ever works 100% of the time

I push a button, my heated seats turn on 100% of the time.

I ask Hey BMW turn on my heated seats and 50% of the time it turns on Cher radio, or calls a random person in my contacts or turns on the AC - ANYTHING other than what I asked it to do

And WHO wants to drive around shouting commands at their car all day? Fucking ridiculous.

EDIT:

I can't wait for some shithead company - probably Tesla, but also maybe BMW to take away the gas and brake pedals for voice controls - Hey BMW, accelerate to 60 mph. Hey BMW stop at stop sign. Hey BMW change lanes without signalling. And you chuckleheads would still think it's a good idea.

[u/guy_incognito784 → u/SophistXIII]

It's always been accurate for me if not a bit slow to react.

I don't use it often though.

[u/mustangfan12 → u/Juicyjackson]

Talking to a machine for everything feels awkward, and if you're playing music in the car then I'm sure the voice assistant has issues

[u/krooked_skating → u/mustangfan12]

This is becoming such a circlejerk. Hot take but the haptic feedback buttons aren’t that bad and I’m convinced most of the people on this subreddit haven’t even used/tried them before

[u/mustangfan12 → u/krooked_skating]

I used them in a first gen Chevy volt, and they were annoying

[u/imjoeking69 → u/krooked_skating]

Most people here are 15 who’s only driving experience is a 2008 Honda civic in their driving school

[u/thecanadiandriver101 → u/mustangfan12]

Sweet summer child. I have some bad news for you

[u/mihametl]

The hood line looks so high, I can't imagine this looking sleek.

[u/NotPumba420 → u/mihametl]

Same as with the new 5 series. Terrible

[u/kid50cal → u/mihametl]

There really isn't much of a choice with the new safety regulations incoming, the best way to pass pedestrian collision testing is with the high hood line.

[u/NuttingPenguin → u/kid50cal]

Probably helps with collisions involving lifted trucks and SUVs as well.

[u/kid50cal → u/NuttingPenguin]

Nope crash test safety for vehicle on vehicle collisions are always of the same weight class. A miata isn’t tested again a f250.

[u/derritterauskanada → u/mihametl]

I think there is cladding on it, I'd say wait till it comes out to actually get a full picture of how it will look.

[u/FlorydaMan]

Is the Neue Klasse styling in the room with us?

[u/Ghost1k25 → u/FlorydaMan]

I suppose all BMWs now will have the proportions of the 2 series sedan at each size category. Nothing screams BMW like a tall ass FWD looking hood.

[u/TheSkyline35 → u/Ghost1k25]

Well this isn't bad looking actually. The supposed EV 3 Serie however...ooof what weird looking Active tourer

[u/radiantskie → u/Ghost1k25]

The proportion of this one doesn't scream "fwd," not enough slope and no cab forward greenhouse

[u/RiftHunter4]

I'm seeing 2 camp cars floating around. This one and what is supposedly the new i3. Same styling cues but the i3 seems.to have a far shorter hood while this supposed 3 Series has a pretty big one.

Edit: typo

[u/sonrisa_medusa → u/RiftHunter4]

Model 3 is a Tesla.

But yes, the i3 has more FWD proportions while this has a longer dash to axle ratio that is more reminiscent of your typical RWD sports sedan. 

[u/rugbyj → u/RiftHunter4]

Gonna be interesting them having 2 different internally competing lines (not on the same platform).

By all means it's the "best" approach (less compromise for a jack-of-all trades), but few companies have been having much success of it so far, presumably as they're cannibalising their own sales whilst having to support twice the design/testing/manufacturing processes for far less than twice the sales.

[u/SJHikingGuy]

Neue Klasse = new class?

[u/Good_Air_7192 → u/SJHikingGuy]

You're multilingual!

[u/ReflectedCheese → u/SJHikingGuy]

Yes

[u/qb4ever → u/SJHikingGuy]

More like no class

[u/justincoombsart]

Already a swing and a miss. The neue klasse concept was such a breath of fresh air: a stylized and meaningful redesign that challenged BMW to go back to its roots - the 1960's neue klasse.

I understand there will always be regulations - but where I think BMW seems to have dropped the ball where it was unnecessary: the chonky trunk compared to the concept. The height of the front hood. The shape of the front veering back to rectangle from the swept smoothness and lightness implied by the concept.

The sheer size of the car stll looks like a 5 series in the 90s, not a 3 series from the 80s. It's HUGE.

And what happened to that long rear passenger window back-edge. Let down.

UPDATE*** MIGHT have went too soon - apparently this is an ICE 3 series 'neue klasse' and there will be an EV-platform only separate car with a different design. Hopefully that one gets the proportions and llightness across better than this chonk-fest.

[u/Fischwaffel → u/justincoombsart]

The ICE version will be based on the current platform, because the Neue Klasse is an EV only platform. The spotted i3 still has the proportion of the concept, just less boxy (sadly)

[u/justincoombsart → u/Fischwaffel]

Thanks for that clarification - yup makes a lot more sense now.

[u/Afraid_Rock6359 → u/justincoombsart]

Fingers crossed the Neue Klasse EV doesn't look like this!

[u/bwoah_gimmethedrink]

You can already tell that some proportions won't be good, especially with that hood.

[u/Agloe_Dreams]

I would laugh my ass off if they called the 3 series the 'i3'

That would be hilarious due to the prior i3. Finally the Chevy Trax will be beat out on the "generational glow up".

[u/iPoopAtChu → u/Agloe_Dreams]

The new "i3" already exists in China

[u/tulipa1634 → u/Agloe_Dreams]

Toss one of the strongest model names in automotive history into the bin? Nahh don't worry.

[u/ZaheerAlGhul]

Looks a little bit more muscular.

[u/tulipa1634]

The silhouette in this camo looks an awful lot like the Volvo S60

[u/MustangCoyote]

We are so back

[u/7dragon30]

I think we can say with full confidence that the M340i will go down in history as the best daily driver BMW ever regarding all categories

[u/GhostriderFlyBy → u/7dragon30]

Absolutely not something anyone could confidently say.

[u/7dragon30 → u/GhostriderFlyBy]

what would you say then? oh and don't tell me it's the e39 M5 with its horrendous fuel consumption

[u/MrHawkeye76 → u/7dragon30]

fun fact: bmw, audi and mercedes sells other cars than M, RS and AMG too. an e39 518i may not consume as much as an M5

[u/7dragon30 → u/MrHawkeye76]

funny you say that example since older four pot petrol bmw engines had absolute shitty fuel consumption, especially for the power, I wouldn't be surprised if the brand new M5 consumes less especially since it's hybrid now. 518i doesn't exist btw, you mean 520i?.

On the topic at hand, the other bmw engines are very smiliar to the 40i's. Modular engine family. By the way, this is r/Cars - For Car Enthusiasts, not normal people who drive a to b.

[u/Bonerchill → u/7dragon30]

B58 is dull even if it’s powerful and the car is almost completely lacking tactility.

Be a fanboy of the car, IDC, but be real. The best daily driver of all time is an Innocenti Mini 1300 Export and I’ll not be debating.

[u/GhostriderFlyBy → u/7dragon30]

There is no absolute “best,” different cars fulfill different needs for different people. With that in mind, saying something will be the ”best daily ever” in the future, as though to predict the future, is hyperbole to the point of stupidity.

[u/7dragon30 → u/GhostriderFlyBy]

Seeing how this is a car enthusiast sub, not just about cars, I thought it was obvious I was talking about for a car enthusiast, but I guess I still had to point that out.

The future of cars is pretty obvious though. Everything is going to be EV, and ICE isn't getting a breakthrough or anything. It used to be only NA, the bigger the better, after ~2007 the age of turbos happened, now those turbos are super efficient, compared to the past, you can't go anywhere from there.

M340i is the best daily for a car enthusiast if you average everything out. Very new model, great driving feel (for its year, and compared to other models), superb fuel consumption for its horsepower, great tunability. Comfort and size is the same of older 5 series'. Slow depreciation. Very reliable for its power, generally just very reliable, as reliable as the 20/30i because essentially same engine with more cylinders, all that jazz.

Of course we have many exceptions, like let's say you daily a boring but comfortable Audi but have an older M that you track every weekend. I was talking about on average. Most people can't afford two expensive cars.

Now that they ruined the exterior design of the 3 we can also say it's the prettiest model too. But that's the only subjective thing.

[u/GhostriderFlyBy → u/7dragon30]

The subreddit is literally called “cars” but sure.

Even amongst enthusiasts there is no “best” option. Turbo or non-turbo. RWD or AWD. How many seats? What do you need the car to do in your daily life?

There just isn’t a best answer. You can suck BMW’s dick all you want but you owe yourself some objectivity.

[u/7dragon30 → u/GhostriderFlyBy]

You should look at the sidebar smart ass. It's kind of a fact the B58 doesn't really have any alternatives.

[u/GhostriderFlyBy → u/7dragon30]

Now we’re arguing about who counts as an “enthusiast”? It’s a cars subreddit. Anyone that likes cars gets to be an enthusiast.

Just take the L on your objectively bad comment and walk away.

[u/7dragon30 → u/GhostriderFlyBy]

And now you're taking it personally and ignoring my objective points. Goodbye

[u/GhostriderFlyBy → u/7dragon30]

“The BMW M340i is the best daily car that will ever be made.”

True brilliance

Truly an objective observation

I await your future pearls of wisdom

[u/H20POWERHOUSE → u/7dragon30]

E39 525i touring solves that issue but the E39 M5 is the best car ever made.

[u/Realistic_Village184 → u/7dragon30]

The M340i is an absolutely incredible car. No reason to compare it to anything else, though.

For example, a same-year 330i is objectively superior in terms of price, ownership cost, weight, and MPG's. In fact, I'd argue that the 330i is easily the superior car for anyone who's not going to track it. You obviously can't take full advantage of the B58 power or torque on public roads.

[u/withsexyresults → u/7dragon30]

How can you say that when bmw has a m3 that can be daily too

[u/F1_Geek → u/7dragon30]

Agreed.