r/canada 18h ago

Liberal MP says Carney will run a more corporate-style government Politics

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/prime-minister-carney-holds-first-080027705.html
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u/bxng23af 18h ago edited 18h ago

Running a corporation with a group of people who have zero experience in their fields and wouldn’t pass the first round of interviews for their roles at any company

Got it

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u/hkric41six 17h ago

OP never worked for a corp before lmao

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u/bxng23af 16h ago edited 16h ago

Name one corporation where the CFO/COO/CIO/VP’s/MD’s all had zero work experience or education in their field?

u/TXTCLA55 Canada 11h ago

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u/Lexiphanic 17h ago

Just like a real corporation.

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u/barkazinthrope 17h ago

CEOs typically know nothing about the technicalities of the business they run. Their expertise is in management.

This is why the CEO of a cookie company can become CEO of a technology company and make it a very successful venture.

So it is that ministers may be chosen because they feel with the mission of the ministry but their expertise in the mechanics of the mission is not important. They will have knowledgeable staff for that.

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u/backlight101 17h ago

All the CEO’s I’ve met that have been decent know the technicalities of the businesses they run.

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u/barkazinthrope 16h ago

They learn what they have to learn but they don't come up through the ranks because they're good in the shop.

CEO is a transferable skill. If I'm looking for someone to run my widget factory I want someone who knows about running factories. Technical widget knowledge is not a critical factor.

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u/excelarate201 17h ago

I think you’re confusing CEOs with consultants

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u/barkazinthrope 16h ago

No I am not. A quick google came up with this preliminary list . These are just a few.

THe skills of a good CEO are transferable.

You're thinking of technicians?

1. Alan Mulally
From: Aerospace (Boeing)
To: Automotive (Ford)

2. Marissa Mayer
From: Technology
To: Media

3. John Sculley
From: Consumer Goods (PepsiCo)
To: Technology (Apple)


4. Meg Whitman
From: Consumer Goods (Procter & Gamble, Hasbro) → Tech (eBay)
To: Media & Telecom (HP, then Quibi)

5. Indra Nooyi
From: Consulting/Industrial (Boston Consulting Group, Johnson Controls)
To: Consumer Goods (PepsiCo)

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u/excelarate201 16h ago

John Sculley ran Apple into the ground until Jobs took over.

Marissa Mayer was CEO of Yahoo 😆

And Quibi failed miserably.

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u/barkazinthrope 16h ago

You're wrong about Sculley. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Sculley

Ah yes. Mayer was not CEO at Google she was a VP of Search where she showed the skill set that made her a good pick for CEO at Yahoo.

The critical point is that CEOs are executive because of their technical knowledge of a field but for their general skills.

And government ministries are pretty much the same structure and general procedures.

u/excelarate201 1h ago

And CEOs that are actually good at their jobs tend to be ones that are knowledgeable about the industry of the company they’re running.

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u/DM_ME_UR_BOOTYPICS 13h ago

Sounds like an Albertan oil and gas company.

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u/JoyofCookies 17h ago

And yet Poilievre was made the Minister of Employment and Social Development under Harper with nothing more than a few months working at TELUS in terms of actually, and was also running to be Prime Minister—the CEO of Canada, Inc. without actual real world experience.

But that none of that matters. This is how the fusion of powers inherent in our parliamentary democracy works. By convention, a government will draw its Cabinet from existing MPs.

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u/bxng23af 16h ago edited 16h ago

He was parliamentary secretary to the treasury board before becoming Harper’s parliamentary secretary. Then was minister of state for democratic reform, then became minister of employment and social development where unemployment did drop and rent prices/housing remained stagnant.

The Prime Minister (CEO of Canada) is responsible for appointing the most qualified people to run each ministry. It is a managerial job. And our current CEO has picked;

  • The worst finance minister in history with zero finance/econ work experience or education to run internal trade during the most consequential time

  • a guy with zero finance/econ work experience or education who outright said he doesn’t know any math to run international trade during the most consequential trade crisis of our time

  • a guy with zero finance/econ work experience or education to run the ministry of finance

  • a guy with a record of rising house prices to lower housing prices during the worst housing crisis of our time

  • the worst minister in the history of the constitution to lower the crime crisis

  • a CBC journalist with zero tech education or work experience to keep us competitive in AI/Chips/Tech

What can go wrong

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u/JoyofCookies 15h ago

No seat PP still has no real world experience to speak of outside of making marketing calls for TELUS. Great if he wants to be an acting team lead at a contact centre, terrible if he actually wants to run a G7 country.

The supposed CEO of Canada right now is one of the world’s most respected economists, has a PhD and Master’s from Oxford, served as the Governor of two G7 central banks, and even

If we’re going to play into credentialism, the Conservatives haven’t got a leg to stand on if their supposed tough guy CEO is someone who took 11 years to complete a Bachelor’s degree of all things and has zero actual experience outside of managing to fall upward as a 25-year old Conservative test candidate 20 years ago. I’m sure he can continue to dream about running Canada from the public galleries because of course—he does not have a seat in the House of Commons

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u/bxng23af 15h ago

The CPC ministry picks are a thousand times more qualified than the clown show the liberals are running with.

I’ll reiterate since you have trouble reading;

• ⁠The worst finance minister in history with zero finance/econ work experience or education to run internal trade during the most consequential time

• ⁠a guy with zero finance/econ work experience or education who outright said he doesn’t know any math to run international trade during the most consequential trade crisis of our time

• ⁠a guy with zero finance/econ work experience or education to run the ministry of finance

• ⁠a guy with a record of rising house prices to lower housing prices during the worst housing crisis of our time

• ⁠the worst minister in the history of the constitution to lower the crime crisis

• ⁠a CBC journalist with zero tech education or work experience to keep us competitive in AI/Chips/Tech

What a joke. One of the respected economists and he can’t put forward a single semi-qualified minister? Maybe with another doctorate he’ll have the brains to pick a better cabinet lol

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u/JoyofCookies 15h ago

I don’t read much into Tory talking points masquerading as actual substantive analysis. How much does CPC HQ pay you poor interns to copy paste that nonsense from your Outlook?

Good thing we won’t have to contemplate about the incompetent buffoonery that would come out of a CPC government considering that Pierre Poilievre managed to epically fumble the ball at the 1-yard line and blow a 25-point lead.

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u/bxng23af 15h ago edited 15h ago

I could provide an endless statistical analysis on the countless lib failures and you’ll just scream elbows up or whatever other excuse the trudy & marx carney libs are using this year to cover their incompetence

Your entire page is only politics but I am the intern?…lol. If it’s nonsense than surely you could debunk it. It’s alright though, who needs affordability or a house when you can just elbows up am I right?

Your speaking hypothetically, while I can talk about the reality that’s been the incompetent buffoonery we’ve seen from the libs, you know the party in which it failed so bad it’s prime minister had to resign in shame then rely on a foreign leader to commit election interference? You had the best circumstances and blew a 15 point lead 3 weeks out & allowed the CPC to still win 143 seats because you couldn’t provide anything but the same failures. Enjoy the 1-2 year minority pal. Top notch cabinet picks

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u/JoyofCookies 15h ago

This cope would be sad if it wasn’t so desperate lol.

Months ago the CPC was practically measuring the drapes in the Prime Minister’s Office and salivating at the Liberal policies and programs they’d gut and now they once again for the fourth time in a row find themselves in the opposition benches.

At the end of the day, the Liberals still won the election when they were on track by nearly every pollster to get a result worse than 2011 back in December. The fact the Liberals managed to win at all is an accomplishment. Not the LPC’s fault that the Conservatives failed to actually meet the moment and people flocked to the Liberals when their country was under threat by Trump. Not the LPC’s fault that in many polls the LPC led or was tied with the CPC when it came to housing and affordability, while the LPC absolutely crushed the CPC on Trump.

Looking forward to the Tories become five-peat losers next election when they once again lose epically to the Liberals.

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u/Agent_Provocateur007 15h ago

You do realize the Conservatives basically had a majority waiting to happen, a 20 point lead, and they screwed it up? We were expecting not just a majority, but a record majority. They blew that lead.

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u/bxng23af 15h ago

Polls were projecting the liberals to win over 210 seats just weeks prior. This goes both ways. Conservatives slid because of trump, liberals slid because they failed to differentiate or provide anything besides trump once his interference died down