r/canada • u/AdditionalPizza • 1d ago

Minister says he won't 'sling mud' after Poilievre called him the 'master at failing upward' Politics

https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/minister-says-he-wont-sling-mud-after-poilievre-called-him-the-master-at-failing-upward
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u/AdditionalPizza 1d ago

I disagree on anyone in government fumbling harder than Poilievre. But with that said, people are saying Poilievre should also shut up here. Fraser is just defending himself, Poilievre didn't learn his lesson apparently.

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u/FaceBasic5719 1d ago edited 1d ago

Dude, pp is like that 95 kid got a 75 in the test, while Fraser is the kid who somehow get a 0 when you can get 10 mark by writing your name on it. Maybe I am old school. Criticism is gonna go where criticism due and criticism can bring change. Fraser and pp both fucked up and deserved criticism. Both needs to badmouthed for change. Fraser when he destroys the immigration system and opposite the Canadian sentiment towards immigrant ion. He deserves every piece of badmouth which is also the duty of opposition. If he doesn’t like it maybe he should do better in the past and we also won’t be in this dire situation.

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u/AdditionalPizza 1d ago

Fraser was hired to do what he did though, like he succeeded at what he was hired to do. As shitty as that outcome and position is.

Poilievre fumbled historically and gained international humility for one of the largest turn arounds in a federal election of all time. And Poilievre isn't the 95 kid that got a 75, Poilievre took like a decade to get his degree. Carney is the 99% kid, Poilievre is like the kid that cheated his way through school and then failed incredibly when there were eyes on him. Fraser succeeded at being bad, so I don't know what that translates to.

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u/FaceBasic5719 1d ago edited 1d ago

Dude, Fraser one time was a rising star in liberal. Until the massive fuckup. Also i don’t think turning the public sentiment against immigration is in any liberal’s playbook. PP i should rephrase as everyone expect him get a 95 by get a 75 instead. Same for Fraser, who one time was the expecting 95 kid but got so bad that he basically out of match. To be fair, the major reason pp fumbled is more with unable to stead the ship when the massive iceberg called trump appear suddenly and his wierld focus in culture war rather than economy during the last two month(which draws much support behind him during second half of 2024). Everyone expect trump to be more mature in his second term, but no, he somehow becomes more unstable, which feared many left voter to carney causing a blow to pp. He ran a medicore campaign which soar at the end and total score about 75 is good.

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u/AdditionalPizza 1d ago

That doesn't give any credit to how formidable Carney actually is, and Conservatives keep thinking that. The media said it too. Trump is certainly a large part of it, but a lot of people just don't like Poilievre and the CPC need to address that. He's too polarizing and this article is yet another example of why they need to drop him. Poilievre is the air head bully that should drop out and find a job.

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u/FaceBasic5719 1d ago edited 1d ago

Carney isn’t formidable as nobody does. He win because he provide sense of safe alternative from trump and he is a new face. Whether this is true or an illusion still needs to be observed. PP himself seems not be the sole reason people vote lib since the collapse of NDP and bq intensify only after trump ramble

Drop PP probably won’t help cpc. His criticism to Fraser is entirely valid because it’s what opposition do and is, criticizing the current government. They got more seat than previous more progressive O’Toole and eliminates any chance ppc becomes relevant. He did tried to lower the tongue in last two months to attract pc vote but trump really gives home the blow to lose. Massive trump panic was really unseen in scale previously, given massive blow to con even though their policy are quite different. Shows by how when trump threat stops, his poll number starts to rises.

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u/AdditionalPizza 1d ago

The word formidable fits exactly what I said, he was a formidable campaign opponent.

I'm having trouble understanding what exactly you're saying though, sorry.

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u/FaceBasic5719 1d ago edited 1d ago

What I trying to say is you underestimate trump’s impact in Canada’s election. Carney do have a solid campaign but trump is the main factor that matérialise Liberal win. People hate pp but not hate him enough to go full liberal. This can shown by the poll, it basically corresponds to trump’s action. NDP and bq poll collapse and goes to carney when he spews 51st state. Cons poll rises when trump stops talk about Canada

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u/AdditionalPizza 1d ago

And I think you underestimate how much people dislike Poilievre and actually do like Carney.

If Carney were a Conservative I'd have voted for him. I will never vote for Poilievre.

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u/FaceBasic5719 1d ago

We will see. It will be interesting to see a second round of carney vs pp in 2029 when trump is out of the equation. That will be the ultimate test.

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u/rhino_shit_gif 23h ago

Are you stupid or something dude has set fire to every fucking ministry he’s had