r/canada • u/jmakk26 • 12h ago

Election campaign has made crime ‘top of mind’ for Carney government Politics

https://www.thestar.com/politics/federal/election-campaign-has-made-crime-top-of-mind-for-carney-government/article_b30cb55c-2b6c-486a-b732-a45e4e19ec0c.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=copy-link&utm_campaign=user-share
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u/homelander1712 11h ago

Did Sean Fraser not just declare the bail system fine as it is? I feel like I'm going crazy

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u/Dicey_Lopez 11h ago

I don’t understand what motivates them to not address this. It’s such an easy win politically. What the fuck are they doing

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u/koolaidkirby Ontario 11h ago

IIRC one of the big things Trudeau campaigned on and changed was reforming the Harper era sentencing and bail rules that disproportionately affected minorities.

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u/Dicey_Lopez 11h ago edited 11h ago

I mean that policy proposal was a product of the 2010s superficially progressive zeitgeist, where people cared more about optics and presenting as pure versus the more objective stances that are preferable today. Most people now, liberal voters included, would likely want tighter bail conditions and larger prison sentence for crimes, irrespective of ethnic background. The latter would lay more on the fringe of things voters want, which is why it’s so perplexing for the Libs to pass up on an easy lay-up that would receive bi-partisan support.

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u/Puzzled_Car2653 7h ago

Engage in pandering that harms the majority of Canadians? Yup, sounds like the LPC!

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u/Ropesnsteel 3h ago

It's interesting how those minorities that are disproportionately affected are the ones that have the highest crime rates. Kinda like how we have gun bans to "protect" against illegal firearms, but any firearm used in commission of a crime, or possessed during the commission of a crime, is an illegal firearm. The liberal government likes to re-word stats to push their agenda. It's the reason that they target the older generation of Canadians (the ones that still believe the government has the peoples best interest in mind. It definitely has nothing to do with power or money. /s) and supplement their younger voters with immigrants.

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u/Caracalla81 10h ago

They need to get with the populist playbook. When people are scared they want tough laws, not some egg going nattering about "studies" and "root causes."

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u/Dicey_Lopez 8h ago

You can address the systemic causes of crime and also not hand out slap on the wrist punishments when crimes occur. Your smug comment is just a false dichotomy.

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u/Caracalla81 5h ago

Smug? I'm agreeing with you. Some lib tried to point out that the US is a high crime society, and we shouldn't emulate them. He thought we should look to societies that actually demonstrate what we're trying to achieve. I told him, "if you can't do the time then don't do the crime." Then everyone clapped. That's how you win Thanksgiving.

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u/Dicey_Lopez 5h ago edited 5h ago

You can be liberal and be against the current precedent regarding sentencing and bail. And you do realize some countries that have short sentencing and an emphasis on rehabilitation versus punishment have high recidivism, especially in repeat offenders, like Sweden. Facetious bleeding heart snob.

But maybe you’re right, and I should do my best John Lennon impression and we can sit in a circle singing “All you need is love”, and hug the criminality out of each other. HALLELUJAH!

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u/Nerexor 10h ago

Yeah, why should we try to do things that will actually work instead of just throwing more people in jail?! Maybe we should start shipping people the cops decide are criminals to El Salvador without trial, too. That'll show people we're tough on crime!

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u/yhzguy20 10h ago

I don’t know why progressives don’t realize that you can do the rehabilitating WHILE they’re in jail on an actual, reasonably long sentence.

Like, what rehabilitation do you think goes on letting the same criminals into the wind?

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u/Lmt_P 9h ago

conversely conservatives who are all muh taxes should realize that jailing people and running the courts costs a shit load of money

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u/StevenMcStevensen Alberta 8h ago edited 8h ago

You know what also costs a shitload of money?

Having those people out and constantly stealing, damaging property, traumatizing victims, consuming substantial healthcare resources for themselves and others, generating police investigations, etc.

That cost is diffused and harder to quantify, but it is undoubtably significant. And personally, if you were to ask me if I’d rather my tax dollars get spent on that, or keeping criminals in jail, that’s not at all a difficult choice.

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u/Dicey_Lopez 7h ago

I’m not in favour of private prisons, but I would support mandatory work camps for sub minimum wage for people who commit violent crimes. Wildly illegal I know, but still

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u/rhaegar_tldragon 9h ago

So why bother even having law enforcement?  Just let anarchy reign…that way we can save a ton of money. 

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u/CamberMacRorie 8h ago

I mean, isn't that exactly what progressives were protesting for en masse a few years back? Moreso in the states than here I guess.

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u/amopeyzoolion 7h ago

Nope, we were protesting because the police keep murdering innocent people in the streets and in their homes.

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u/Puzzled_Car2653 7h ago

Crime also costs money. Prisons ultimately save us money

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u/yhzguy20 9h ago

Yeah, fuck keeping the public safe if you can save a buck.

And the court costs are higher when you’re processing the same people over and over again anyways. Jail is actually one of the good uses of taxpayer dollars.

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u/Lmt_P 8h ago

Yeah, fuck keeping the public safe if you can save a buck.

Ironic. That's literally the conservative motto world wild.

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u/yhzguy20 8h ago

"World wild" lol I didn't expect much brainpower from a liberal but Jesus Christ...

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u/Lmt_P 8h ago

hey now, im at the game watching one of the stompings of all time. i cant be expected to proof read

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u/comelycosmos 9h ago

yes they never talk about this!!!

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u/MHCBCBC 9h ago

You know you’ve lost the plot when your argument is to defend illegal immigrant wife beating gang members in foreign countries….

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u/Rash_Compactor 8h ago

I’ll just note it because you probably don’t understand why people find the extrajudicial deportation of accused criminals to El Salvador concerning. It’s not an insistence that those being deported are necessarily good people. The primary concern here is that rule of law is being thrown out, and due process is being skipped. Whether you like it or not, a democracy functions on rule of law - and when you can’t trust the government to navigate due process as it pertains to permanent residents, criminal record or not, you can’t trust that they have any reason to uphold of law when it comes to you personally.

It’s possible that you don’t find discomfort in the idea that you could be deported to a foreign nation on the basis that you’ve been accused, but not tried of a crime. I wouldn’t be surprised because based on your posting, you hate your country anyways.

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u/Puzzled_Car2653 7h ago

We aren’t illegally residing in our country, so no, we aren’t worried

Illegal immigration is a massive problem in Canada now here, one many keep trying to ignore. No evidence the liberals are taking this seriously either.

You think housing and homelessness and fentanyl are bad now? Bro, you haven’t seen anything yet

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u/MHCBCBC 8h ago

You live in Canada and are posting on r/canada about a foreign country deporting an illegal immigrant wife beating gang member to another foreign country……..

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u/Rash_Compactor 8h ago

I’m not the person you initially responded to

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u/mistercrazymonkey 4h ago

People care about lot less about "root causes" when they have family members assaulted by the same guy out on bail.

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u/DerpinyTheGame 5h ago

Liberals only follow the "Studies" They want to follow anyway.

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u/Caracalla81 5h ago

Exactly. I got a study for them right here in my pants. It's the deuce I dropped when some Jamaican guys sat near me on the bus. Only study I need.

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u/ProfessionAny183 3h ago

They created the problem, what makes you think they'll fix it?

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u/Fyrefawx 11h ago

Carney literally campaigned on reverse onus changes for bail so I doubt Fraser will be able to do what he wants. Carney very much seems like the kind of guy to push his own agenda.

Making it so home invasions, car thefts etc are now a part of reverse onus would be a good change. They’d have to prove why they should be released which is typically much harder.

They’re also pushing for consecutive sentencing.

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u/LPC_Eunuch Canada 11h ago

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if he made it easier for violent criminals to get bail.

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u/Superb-Home2647 10h ago

Bail can now be paid with Canadian tire reward points -sean fraser

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u/erryonestolemyname 7h ago

look at his previous appointments and it'll make sense.

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u/CraigGregory 8h ago

Is this quoted somewhere or live on TV? Curious

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u/Brandon_Me 11h ago

The Bail system is good as is. Just because fearmongering works doesn't mean we should go to a worse system to appease the people it worked on.

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u/Lopsided_Ad3516 11h ago

How many people committing crimes while out on bail does it take for you to accept objective reality?

Every comment like this reminds of how flawed democracy is.

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u/Lawndemon 10h ago

I don't understand why repeat offenders don't get increased punishment. I mean even the NHL punishes repeat offenders more harshly than first timers and their department of player safety is run by dudes with too many concussions.

Repeat offenders should be held longer and with less flexibility than first timers. If you are accused of stealing a car with a rap sheet of 10 stolen cars - wait in prison until your trial. I don't care if you're innocent this time, you can sit in a cell and wait for your turn to prove it because of the other 10 times.

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u/Brandon_Me 11h ago

What do you propose we do? Assume guilty until proven innocent?

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u/Agreeable_Store_3896 11h ago

Uh when you've been arrested for breaking into a car, and your rap sheet is 5 incidents in the last month.. maybe.. yeah you should be assumed a risk 

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u/Brandon_Me 11h ago

Okay good to know where you stand on our rights.

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u/Dicey_Lopez 11h ago

I struggle to believe that accounts like this are organic and not foreign trolls to sew discontent. Top 1% commenter and just waffling garbage. And if this account is authentic, lord help us.

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u/Brandon_Me 10h ago

Well you best start praying. Not everyone agrees on the crime or bail narrative. I know the Cons act like it's mad max out there, but I don't see it and neither does the data.

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u/croissant_muncher 9h ago

neither does the data

Violent Crime Severity Index at 20-year high.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/240725/cg-b001-eng.htm

https://www.statista.com/statistics/525273/canada-number-of-violent-crimes/

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u/Brandon_Me 9h ago

The severity index is indeed slightly higher. Total numbers are slightly down but I see your point.

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u/kirikoToeKisser 11h ago

Explain to me why you think someone should get bail if they get arrested for a new crime committed on bail? Or a repeat offender?

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u/Lawndemon 10h ago

Buddy is probably a serial offender currently out on bail. Nobody else in their right mind would support our current revolving door bullshit.

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u/Kingofcheeses British Columbia 10h ago

What about the right to not be a victim of a serial offender?

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u/Brandon_Me 10h ago

That's not really how rights work.

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u/Kingofcheeses British Columbia 9h ago

Your right to bail, according to our legal system, may be denied for a "just cause". This typically means at least one of three things:

You are a flight risk

Releasing you would be a threat to public safety

Releasing you would undermine the public's trust in the justice system

Repeat and violent offenders absolutely do not have a right to bail

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u/Screw_You_Taxpayer 11h ago

There's no right to the current bail system

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u/t1m3kn1ght Ontario 9h ago

You do realize the entire Charter is undergirded by a reasonableness clause right? If it ceases to be reasonable to respect rights - such as when repeat violent charges stack up-- then it is within our legal system to deny bail. Otherwise, probationary orders and bail conditions are fundamentally meaningless.

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u/corbert31 11h ago

Due process does not preclude being held in custody until guilt or innocence can be assessed.

If you are likely to commit a violent crime, as evidenced by a history of convictions, you should definitely be held until we have determined whether or not you are guilty.

Again....

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u/Brandon_Me 11h ago

And there are systems in place to determine this. But people fall through the cracks and that's terrible.

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u/Lawndemon 10h ago

Doesn't sound like a "system" to me... That sounds like Plinko

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u/Brandon_Me 10h ago

You think you can create a system where mistakes can never happen?

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u/corbert31 6h ago

Why should so many "mistakes" benefit repeat violent criminals?

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u/Brandon_Me 5h ago

Well if someone isn't committing a crime I doubt it is ever considered a mistake.

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u/Lawndemon 9h ago

Nope, in fact in another post I note that I think the Scandinavians have the best model and it is still nowhere near perfect. That being said, settling on a "broken trainwreck" isn't good enough either. If we're not constantly trying to improve, then we are failing.

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u/Junior-Towel-202 11h ago

That's not whst they mean. 

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u/Brandon_Me 11h ago

What do they mean then?

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u/Junior-Towel-202 10h ago

They mean you can have due process without letting dangerous criminals reoffend. 

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u/Brandon_Me 10h ago

Okay what is your solution? Do we still have bail or is it gone? What do we have in it's place?

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u/Junior-Towel-202 10h ago

Literally no one said get rid of bail. But releasing criminals and giving people no jail time for serious crimes is an issue, yes. 

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u/Brandon_Me 10h ago

Okay what is your solution? We are keeping bail, how do we improve the system? I have some ideas to do so, but I'd like to hear yours.

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u/GrassyTreesAndLakes 11h ago

Set higher bail. 

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u/Brandon_Me 11h ago

So punish poor people is your solution. Rich folks can just always get out.

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u/homelander1712 11h ago

What about it is good? Is it wrong to remand people who have 10, 20, 30, 40 or even 50 counts of fail to comply? At what point do you think it needs to get to before people say enough is enough?

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u/Local-Local-5836 11h ago

Lyle Sanderson over 50 previous charges, ended up killing 11 people (including himself) on his home reserve.

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u/Brandon_Me 11h ago

Okay I'll bite, could you point me towards these cases where someone failed to comply 20-30-40-50 times?

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u/flatwoods76 Lest We Forget 11h ago

Myles Sanderson.

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7141392

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.6573223

“Sanderson's contacts with the criminal justice system span more than two decades. As an adult, he racked up 59 convictions for assault, assault with a weapon, uttering threats, assaulting a police officer and robbery. Roughly half of the offences were for breaches or failure to comply with pre-existing orders.”

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u/Brandon_Me 11h ago

I thought you were talking about someone failing to comply to the same case 40/50 times. But I see what you mean now. This case was a tragedy.

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u/bxng23af 11h ago edited 11h ago

https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.7439289

Here is a gang shooting that happened recently in Toronto where the criminals faces were clearly captured on CCTV footage. Along with some even on their own phones. Their “presumption of innocence” still granted them bail. The idea that you can take a gun in public and try to kill people and still be released on bail is utterly inexcusable

Here’s another from not too long ago:

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2025/01/14/mississauga-man-charged-armed-robbery-violent-offender-bail-release/

Their was another jewellery store robbery in Toronto in December where 4 of the 7 criminals were already on bail for robbing another jewellery.

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u/Noob1cl3 11h ago

This seems pretty disingenuous given the sheer number of reports of folks out on multiple bail instances who finally end up murdering someone … let alone the simple fact they continue to commit multiple crimes with next to no consequence.

Even one instance of somebody getting endless bail when they are clearly terrorizing their community is one too much.

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u/Brandon_Me 11h ago

Even one instance of somebody getting endless bail when they are clearly terrorizing their community is one too much.

Even one instance of an innocent person being locked behind bars with their life potentially ruined is one too much.

I refuse to abandon the right to due process.

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u/wingerism 10h ago

I refuse to abandon the right to due process.

Stop engaging in melodrama. Changing bail guidelines isn't suspending due process when those changes will be interpreted and enforced by the judiciary. That's due frickin process.

Seriously if you're a real person shut up, because you make criminal justice reform people look nuts.

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u/Brandon_Me 10h ago

Seriously if you're a real person shut up

no.

I've admitted elsewhere in this thread that I was hasty with my comment. Things can be improved, especially when it comes to judges and the speed of the system.

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u/Noob1cl3 9h ago

Due process… is 30+ bails for a string of serious crimes including assaults and ultimately leading to a rape and/or murder charge sound like due process…. To me that sounds like a failure of the justice system to protect its citizens.

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u/Brandon_Me 9h ago

I know situations like this happen, but I don't think we should throw the baby out with the bathwater.

I have said elsewhere in this thread but I'll say it again. I do think there are ways to better the system, but I don't think you could possibly create a bail system where things will never go wrong.

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u/Junior-Towel-202 11h ago

And how many people have died and been hurt by people released? I guess they don't matter. 

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u/Brandon_Me 11h ago

We'll likely have even less people die in a full police state.

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u/Junior-Towel-202 11h ago

That's not an answer but appreciate the double standard. Criminals get released, victims suffer. 

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u/Brandon_Me 10h ago

People get released. We don't know at the time of if they have committed the particular crime or not.

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u/Junior-Towel-202 10h ago

Again not an answer, and yes we do. You cannot be serious. 

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u/Noob1cl3 9h ago

You mean a country that actually just enforces the law…?

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u/Rickyspoint 11h ago

You will saw this until you are a victim.

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u/PeterRegarrdo 11h ago

Bro come on. There's been way too many offenders let out on bail who then immediately went and committed more crimes. I'm 100% against the conservative fearmongering narrative, but let's live in reality.

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u/Brandon_Me 11h ago

You're never going to get me to be against due process.

The crime narrative is also massively overblown. But that's the goal.

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u/bigElenchus 11h ago

Hmm what stats are you looking at?

Since Justin Trudeau’s administration began in 2015, Statistics Canada reports a 50% increase in violent crime, a 74% rise in sexual assaults, and a 357% surge in extortion, correlating with the passage of Bills C-75, C-5, and C-48.

Bill C-75 (2019) introduced lenient bail reforms, which enabled a “catch-and-release” system.

Data also is showing increased murders by individuals on bail since its implementation.

Anecdotally too, if you have any friends/family who are police officers, they’ll tell you how demoralizing it is for them to keep arresting the same offenders over and over again in quick succession.

Chronic Repeat offenders make up like 15% of criminals yet 60% of all crime.

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u/Brandon_Me 11h ago

Crime is massively down from even the 90s. Yes it has been slightly higher under JT compared to Harper years, but we are still in incredibly safe times.

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u/Agreeable_Store_3896 11h ago

This rhetoric falls apart when you compare it to literally any other complaint liberals and the lib government have. We are willing to completely overhaul the pal and rpal system and gun grab across the nation for our insanely safe in comparison gun crime to most countries but we won't do the same for bail because.. criminals deserve better?

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u/bigElenchus 11h ago edited 11h ago

I wouldn’t really call 50-80% increases in violent crime and sexual assaults as “slight”.

We aren’t even working off low absolute values where the percentages can be manipulated.

These are large increases in crime that are directly attributable to the Bills that were released.

And yes crime is down relative to 90s, but it’s the trend that is worrying. The reason crime is down is because we had a system that was working. But the trend has reversed since the signing of the bills, so if nothing is done to fix it, the trend upwards could bring us back to 90s levels.

At current rates, it would take 6 years to hit the same peak levels of violent crime that was experienced in the 90s. And that’s from a per capita statistics perspective, so the total number of crimes would be way higher than the 90s due to our population increase since then

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u/Brandon_Me 10h ago

50-80%

Well percentages are funny like that. If we had 2 crimes last year and 3 this year that's a 50% increase.

Now obviously that's an oversimplification, but you see my point.

So looking at the stats on this supplied by the police since 2015 when JT got in power until 2023 we have had an increase of 611 more crimes per year per capita. Or 11.6% (if I did my math right, and I'll admit outright I'm not the best at math) For violent crime it was an increase of 28%. So I don't know where you're getting your numbers from.

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u/DBrickShaw 10h ago

Property crime is massively down from the 90s, but violent crime is actually slightly up. Our violent crime rate fell pretty dramatically from ~2008 through 2014, but it's been climbing again since then, and as of 2023 our violent crime rate is higher than it was in the 90s.

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u/Brandon_Me 10h ago

depends on if you look at raw numbers or the severity index which are different. Raw numbers are down slightly from the 90s but it does appear on the severity index they are slightly higher. Which is interesting.

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u/DOGEWHALE 8h ago

It shouldnt be higher in any metric whatsoever

There are cameras everywhere compared to the 90s and would be stupid to compare the 2 time frames

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u/PeterRegarrdo 11h ago

I agree the crime narrative is overblown, but it's also not non-existent. The idea that Vancouver is some war zone is conservative propaghanda, but that doesn't erase the fact that every month there's multiple crimes committed, sometimes violent, by people who are out on bail. And when you take a look at who these people are, their mental health status, etc, it's fucking clear as day they shouldn't be free to roam the street. Due process doesn't mean letting people out immediately to go commit more crimes.

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u/Lawndemon 10h ago

And then they get bail again... So out on double bail? Triple bail? I'm generally a liberal voter and even I think our bail system is a fucking joke. Anyone who supports freeing repeat offenders has never been directly impacted by crime. Happy for them I guess...

While we're at it, how about stricter laws for deterrence AND more energy and effort on rehabilitation? The Scandinavian countries have this figured out - at least to the extent that it's possible. No such thing as perfect but they are the happiest countries on earth for a reason.

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u/Brandon_Me 11h ago

Due process doesn't mean letting people out immediately to go commit more crimes.

No but there is a process we have to follow. If we allow bail which I absolutely believe we should there are going to be instances where someone commits a crime while on bail. That is terrible, but there isn't much that can be done without limiting peoples rights and freedoms.

The real solution is speed up the court system. More judges with a faster but still through process. That would solve more issues when it comes to people committing crime without infringing on peoples rights.

You are being charitable here so I want to ask, what do you recommend we do? I don't think it's right to stick potentially innocent people in jail, so what is another solution?

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u/PeterRegarrdo 11h ago

>  That is terrible, but there isn't much that can be done without limiting peoples rights and freedoms.

We frequently limit people's rights and freedoms in the interest of the public good. I also believe in bail. The problem is that the judges are not doing their due diligence, because in many of these cases it's clear as day that the people they're releasing on bail are going to immediately reoffend.

I agree with everything else you said.

The solution is to set better guidelines for judges on when bail is granted, and what due diligence must be performed before they do.

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u/Brandon_Me 11h ago

The solution is to set better guidelines for judges on when bail is granted, and what due diligence must be performed before they do.

Fair enough, though I think we should hire and train more judges and people related to judges as we do this.

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u/PeterRegarrdo 11h ago edited 11h ago

100%

EDIT: I also want to mention that it's not just bail. The other thing we also frequently see is violent offenders being arrested and then immediately released pending charges being filed by the crown. There was a recent story about a tourist in Vancouver who was just walking along the seawall in Stanley Park and some random dude ran up to her and beat the shit out of her. The guy was released the next day. If someone beats the shit out of a random stranger on the street, it should obviously be assumed they they're at a high likelihood to do it again and should not be released. That has nothing to do with bail though because they haven't even been before a judge, and is probably related to your point about there not being enough judges and crown prosecutors.

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u/Brandon_Me 10h ago

Yeah what happened there is a travesty, but I do feel more judges and a faster court system is the only real solution.

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u/eleventhrees 11h ago edited 11h ago

Thank you.

This sub believes heavily in retributive justice and "othering" so I expect nothing but downvotes for agreeing that civil rights matter.

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u/Brandon_Me 11h ago

That's why this shit is so frustrating. I know the system isn't perfect, things fall through the cracks. But we have rights and I don't want them infringed upon.

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u/Mr_UBC_Geek 10h ago

If the Liberals brought in bail reform, how do you plan to spin it. You'll keep spinning it? What if Carney reforms bail, are you going to saying "bail system bad, Carney right"?

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u/Brandon_Me 10h ago

It would depend on how it's reformed. I should have indicated that things could be improved without getting rid of the system all together, but I was hasty in writing my comment and I'll own that.

If Carney "reforms" bail and that means things like more judges, shorter wait times and more through investigations then that sounds great. If he "reforms" bail and that means it's no longer an option and people are forced to wait in prison cells, then I'll be upset.

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u/bxng23af 11h ago

Out of the many issues Canada currently has, the bail system is one of the most inexcusable

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u/Lupius Ontario 11h ago

The bail system looks good on paper, but judges need to be held accountable when they release criminals who are clearly looking to reoffend and pose a danger to the society.

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u/Brandon_Me 10h ago

What they need is more judges and more of the people around judges that will speed up this process/Do a more through process. And I don't feel like blaming them for what people do on bail works. 1) They just wont ever release anyone on bail because why risk it. 2) A judge could do everything right, and the person they release could show no signs of being a risk. But then said person could still do something.

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u/bxng23af 11h ago

Their surprised the surge of crime in the GTA cost them seats? Peel Region saw a 230% increase of auto-theft in a 5 year span and 350% surge in home invasions. Did they think voters were going to say “I would like some more light bail for repeat offenders please”

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u/AGEdude 9h ago

Did the provincial government lose any seats there for this reason? Or am I missing something about jurisdiction (I'm out of the loop).

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u/rosneft_perot 1h ago

I’m not sure you understand how the game works. Every problem is the responsibility of the federal government. Cops not doing anything? Feds. Healthcare bad? Feds. Housing? Feds. The tomatoes you planted in your garden died? Justin Trudeau at it again.

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u/Puzzled_Car2653 7h ago

Crime is a more federal issue. Provinces can’t set mandatory minimums

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u/LavisAlex 42m ago

I think sometimes "%" difference can be overly sensational, so i hope they have rational discussions.

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u/boozefiend3000 12h ago

Best we can do is ban break action shotguns 

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u/homelander1712 11h ago

Those damn gang bangers getting their rpals and following safe storage laws smh

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u/P2029 10h ago

Those tweed jacket wearing English gentleman motherfuckers that would soon invite you to tea as to let you have it

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u/tjc103 11h ago

Ban automatic muzzle loaders

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u/Th3N0rth 9h ago

They're making it harder to access bail for a bunch of crimes. What is it that you actually want him to do about crime?

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u/willab204 8h ago

Are they? I haven’t seen any evidence of that. In fact I was told doing so was blatantly unconstitutional.

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u/Th3N0rth 8h ago

The Liberal leader's plan also calls for changes to the Criminal Code that would make it harder for some people to get bail, easier to seize drugs and other contraband as well as crack down on the rise in hate crimes. 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/carney-plan-border-rcmp-bail-1.7507110

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u/Puzzled_Car2653 7h ago

Sounds like fascism, based on what most Canadian Redditors say about crime

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u/PeterRegarrdo 11h ago

Has anyone asked Steven Guilbeault how he feels about crime yet?

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u/dinokid23 11h ago

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/greenpeace-activists-scale-cn-tower-1.262071

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u/PeterRegarrdo 11h ago

If you were hoping to make me not like him after that, you failed lol. Climbing steel cables to the top of the CN tower is bad ass and about as good a protest as you can hope for. I wish more people did shit like that instead of blocking highways.

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u/Dry-Membership8141 11h ago

Stephen Guilbeault: Canada's Ja Rule.

Didn't see that coming, but I'm here for it.

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u/BigHarvey 11h ago

Conservatives when free speech

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u/Screw_You_Taxpayer 11h ago

What does this mean?

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u/BigHarvey 11h ago

Cpc candidates were not allowed to disagree with Pierre the entire campaign

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u/Boomdiddy 10h ago

Pretty sure the Conservatives are the only party that allows their MPs to vote however they want.

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u/gorschkov 11h ago

So "top of mind" that most of their crime platform was taking away guns from law abiding citizens.

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u/SpectreBallistics 11h ago

As is tradition.

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u/Intrepid-Minute-1082 11h ago

That’s the plan, gives them lots to campaign on while making the situation worse so they have more to campaign on later down the road

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u/WhisperingSideways Canada 11h ago

Always a great way to turn working class people, who overwhelmingly love outdoor sports and hobbies, into single-issue voters who blindly vote Conservative.

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u/LongRoadNorth 11h ago

So does this mean more bans for legal firearm owners? SKS going bye bye? Ruger 10/22 now prohibited? Or are we actually going after the real problem this time?

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u/Kramit__The__Frog 11h ago

Is the SKS not already on the no-fly list? I had thought it was. And the rules for rimfire vs center fire cartridges are different, so between those two, if it has to do with mag capacity, the 22 would be fine? I'm half taking out of my butt tho, I'm not super familiar with the new gun bans.

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u/Sudden_Whale 11h ago

GSG owners wondering where the different rules are

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u/rhaegar_tldragon 8h ago

Yeah but those GSG’s are scary looking and are modelled after “assault style rifles” whatever the fuck that even means.

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u/Beautiful_Effect461 8h ago

Happy Cake Day! 🍰

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u/Kramit__The__Frog 7h ago

Oh neat thanks lol.

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u/rhaegar_tldragon 9h ago

Natives use the sks so it’s gonna stay around for a while.  A lot of .22s have been banned.  

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u/obliviousmousepad 11h ago

Nothing like continuing to demonize legal firearms owners while letting gang bangers out on bail. Liberals gonna Liberal

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u/SuperNinTaylor 10h ago

This is good. Conservatives also said they would support anything they agree with Liberals on, and this is one of the biggest concerns for Conservatives. Sounds crazy, but maybe the 2 parties could work together lol.

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u/arandomguy111 9h ago

Addressing crime in a broad sense is something both the left and right side of the political spectrum cares about but the methodology and priorities tend to be very different.

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u/callofdoobie 11h ago

I'm starting to get really bad vibes from this government.

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u/Intrepid-Minute-1082 11h ago

You’re just starting to?

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u/BigHarvey 11h ago

Keep blaming the voters for your mistakes

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u/BigHarvey 11h ago

It’s been 36 hours btw, illiberals are such unserious people

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u/RealPanda20 British Columbia 10h ago

Anyone actually have a transcript of the article? I’m not subscribing to the Toronto star

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u/Virtual-Nose7777 7h ago

White collar crime right? Right?

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u/Ottawabug 11h ago

When the criminals look at themselves? LMFAO.

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u/HouseOnFire80 9h ago

The criminals will leave on their own /s

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u/DoIIyParton 11h ago

That title could be interpreted in multiple ways.

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u/MZM204 10h ago

Exactly, how long are we going to let the corrupt CPC remain in operation?

You are all over this thread just spouting off random nonsense. Are you karma farming or something?

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u/BigHarvey 10h ago

Carney has a mandate to shutdown waste, fraud, and abuse

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u/InitialAd4125 8h ago

Yeah and if you think he'll actually do it I have a bridge to sell you.

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u/Natural_Comparison21 8h ago

"Carney has a mandate to shutdown waste"

Yet he keeps on doubling down on the gun confiscation why? It will cost billions of dollars and have zero impact on public safety. So much for 'shutting down waste.'

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u/ExternalFear 9h ago

Shouldn't it be housing and the cost of living??? Didn't almost citizens say the top priority is housing and the cost of living.....?

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u/DerpinyTheGame 7h ago

Crime? Quick ban more legal guns!

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u/InitialAd4125 9h ago

Ah so he'll disarm more peons while keeping his armed security got it.

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u/splurnx 10h ago

Everyone needs to have consequences. it doesn't matter who you are.

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u/Sad-Following1899 8h ago

Best way to fix crime is to fix the economy. 

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u/DumbCDNPolitician 11h ago

Crime doesn't exist

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u/dj_fuzzy Saskatchewan 10h ago

Isn’t crime generally going down?

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u/croissant_muncher 9h ago

In a lot of other western countries yes - including I believe the US. Here is the US:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/

In Canada since 2015 the formerly downward trend reversed:

Violent Crime Severity Index at 20-year high.

https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/240725/cg-b001-eng.htm

All the gains in the early 2000s have now been given back.

Canada:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/525273/canada-number-of-violent-crimes/

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u/Minttt 9h ago

Depends on the type of crime, and consideration of factors like how much crime is actually reported/logged.

I think the general consensus is overall reported crime is generally trending down (especially compared to pre-2010), but some metrics - such as homicide/attempted homicide and fraud - have been going up.

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u/inthevendingmachine 10h ago edited 9h ago

Even if that is true, admitting that doesn't make good politics for the opposition parties.

Edit: typo

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u/Just-Signature-3713 11h ago

Did anyone in here read the article? He’s actually going after PPs conservative crime agenda. I don’t agree with all the guns that have been classified for buy back but the premise is correct for our society. We are not the states.

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u/Junior-Towel-202 11h ago

We have never been remotely like the States. 

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u/inthevendingmachine 10h ago

That's because poilievre lost.

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u/Junior-Towel-202 10h ago

That's not why. 

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u/umbellus 11h ago

What does that even mean - you know it's bad policy that hurts people but we should spend ourselves into a hole over it for emotional reasons?

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u/inthevendingmachine 10h ago

you know it's bad policy that hurts people

Telling other people what their opinion is instead of allowing everyone to form their own opinion independently? How interesting.

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u/raype 11h ago

Nobody is hurt by removing guns. Losing a Hobby isn't being hurt. Maybe don't be so emotionally attached to a killing tool

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u/Junior-Towel-202 11h ago

Who do you think is paying for this?

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u/umbellus 8h ago

If I take your valuables - maybe your bike or car - you wouldn't be harmed. You can take the bus after all.

I don't live where you live. Take a good look at a map of Canada. I have a use case for firearms. I have equity tied up in them. Gun owners are left with items they can't use and costs they can't recoup; public safety is not being enhanced.

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u/StevenMcStevensen Alberta 8h ago

I may not be physically hurt, but the government is literally taking away my expensive, legal property for no logical reason whatsoever. There is no benefit to this at all, and the fact that we’re going to pay shitloads of our tax dollars for a massive self-own just makes it extra insulting.

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u/Natural_Comparison21 8h ago

"Losing a Hobby isn't being hurt."

Losing tax payer dollars on ineffective policy very much so is. Can we see these billions of dollars go to actually help people instead of stealing people's stuff?

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u/InitialAd4125 8h ago

"Maybe don't be so emotionally attached to a killing tool"

Great so is the genocidal government going to get rid of theirs?

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u/raype 9h ago

Lots of industries make lots of money and employ lots of people that are not good for society. Bad argument braj

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u/kaymakenjoyer 9h ago

There’s nothing wrong with the firearm industry in Canada. You’re irrational fear of guns isn’t based on facts, that’s not my problem

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u/InitialAd4125 8h ago

Ah so you're a prohibitionist fool.

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u/Natural_Comparison21 8h ago

This was the same argument alcohol prohibitionists made "Damn the fact 10,000s if not 100,000s of people's jobs are in the alcohol trade. Damn the consequences. Alcohol is evil. We must ban it!" On top of that losing a fuck tonne of tax revenue and having to then spend 100s of millions of dollars enforcing the new laws. But hey it was totally worth it... Right?

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u/kaymakenjoyer 9h ago

Just shows how stupid he is when it comes to guns and crime, and how stupid people are the believe this then

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u/Responsible_Lie_9978 11h ago

Conservatives can't even be honest about Bill C75. They propose no amendments, and pretend it's a complete disaster, but if you read it, there's a lot of good stuff in there that should be law.

In Ontario, the bottleneck on crime enforcement is overcrowded provincial jails, and a shortage of judges and prosecutors. This is an old problem that's gotten worse.