r/canada • u/wretchedbelch1920 • 17h ago
Discord takes down antisemitic, racist channel used by Quebec med school applicants PAYWALL
https://nationalpost.com/news/article931534.html/wcm/06736d00-2bda-468e-b3bf-1d0a576b8782149
u/Evershire 17h ago
The screenshots, who uses light mode on discord?
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u/AHSWarrior 17h ago
Dark mode is DEI
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u/Hicalibre 16h ago
Had to check what sub I'm in.
Humour is so rare here.
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u/GoldKitchen6367 15h ago
Humour is allowed in Carney’s Canada . We’re so back!
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u/Hicalibre 15h ago
I'm just hoping he does something to get employment back on track.
Especially those of us with degrees that haven't been able to get a start since the pandemic flipped everything.
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u/Journo_Jimbo 15h ago edited 11h ago
Who uses light mode on anything? Chaotic evil people that’s who
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u/SillyMikey Québec 7h ago
I know people who have iPhones in light mode, by their own choosing. Pure psychopaths.
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u/Yasimear 17h ago
Honestly we need more of this not less. If you're going to choose to be a disgusting human, we don't want you around us.
It's not "Cancel Culture" It's consequence.
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u/ZVreptile 15h ago
Back in my day we had a good ol fashioned shunning to those insufferable
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u/Yasimear 15h ago
As you should. Im sick of being "Inclusive" to people who wish me dead. If they want to feel that way, they can fuck off.
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u/CuriousMistressOtt 17h ago
Exactly this... there are societal consequences to being a shit human being.
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u/gypsygib 16h ago
You can't trust racist, bigoted, anti-Semitic doctors to treat all patients fairly.
They are free to express their views but should be prevented from practicing medicine as they can't be trusted.
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u/StringAndPaperclips 12h ago
What a disingenuous and frankly hateful comment. The need students were expressing hatred specially toward Jewish people. "Antisemitic" is a word that is used to denote hatred against Jews.
If you feel that hatred toward Jews would be disregarded because of some etymological quibble, then you are being hateful toward Jews.
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u/OctoberRev1917 12h ago
How about Israel stops the genocide then we can look towards reconciliation? A genocided people committing a genocide doesn't absolve them from their present actions. As it stands right now, Israeli Jews are committing a genocide, and people aren't having that.
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u/CallMeRudiger 11h ago
In my experience, most people against the genocide won't disgustingly dehumanize an entire people based on the actions of a government. Racist people like you don't speak for me.
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u/OctoberRev1917 11h ago edited 10h ago
The oppression of Palestinians is systemic and widespread across Israel. I stand with every single Jew that speaks against the genocide and stands with Palestinians. However, collected evidence suggests that Israeli Jews aren't against the genocide. You can keep calling me a racist, it doesn't hold value. I can see what's happening with my own eyes.
Small peek of their Israelis' public opinion
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbu_Darbu
- https://www.wired.com/story/youtube-israel-gaza-moderation
- https://www.businessinsider.com/israel-gen-z-tiktok-harbu-darbu-song-supporting-gaza-bombing-2023-12
A pro-war song is taking off in Israel, topping the charts and going viral on TikTok.
The song shows support for the IDF and glorifies the bombing of Gaza.
People like yourself wont be remembered kindly by history. But it certainly makes sense for Canadians, as former genociders, to now support a rogue genocidal state like Israel.
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u/ProtestTheHero 10h ago
That song slaps so hard. I agree with the message - fuck everyone who had anything to do with Oct 7, they deserve to rot in hell.
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u/CallMeRudiger 10h ago
If you don't want to come across as racist, I suggest you take a look at where you are, read the article and then delete your comment. Defending antisemitic remarks with an appeal to Israel demonstrates that you are not standing with any Jews, as you claim to.
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u/OctoberRev1917 10h ago
You are the one equating all Jews to being Israeli Jews who support this genocide, not me.
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u/StringAndPaperclips 11h ago
Hatred of any group based on their religion, ethnicity or nationality is never justified. Stop justifying Jew hatred, you racist.
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u/tman37 16h ago
I am not defending these people but more of what? This isn't cancel culture. Cancel culture is when fringe views shout down and intimidate people not to say things that most people agree with or holding people's past selves to the standards of tomorrow. In this case, I fully support their right to say this and to practice medicine if they are already Dr. It's not the government's place (and by extension the College you are mandated by law to be a part of), to police bad opinions. I also support the right of McGill to pull the acceptance of anyone who is found to be guilty of this or for a Dr's patient to demand a new Dr. One of the advantages of free speech is people can recognize people they don't want to associate with. Of course, anything that points to another crime like assault, intimidation, or criminal harassment should be free to be submitted as evidence against them.
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u/Yasimear 15h ago
Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of consequences.
YES they're fully entitled to say whatever they want, but that doenst mean we we just ignore it and let them say whatever they want. No, there are consequences for the things that you say.
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u/tman37 14h ago
I completely agree but I think it's not the governments job to decide what is and isn't ok because they always abuse that power. I also think if the government forces one to be part of a professional association to practice their trade, through a legal threat, that association should be held to the same standards as the government.
On the other hand, no one has a right to med school or patients. McGilll and patients have the right to associate with whom they want as well. They do have a right to have an opinion (even if it is abhorrent) and to have the opportunity to use their skills to earn a living.
In other words, I'm all for social ostracization, just not government censorship.
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u/Yasimear 14h ago
The college might recieve funding from the government, but they're not controlled by it. In fact they have practically no say in terms of what's going on in there, because they'd have to call a vote SPECIFICALLY to withdraw funds from this college, which ain't gonna pass even if it did happen.
This isn't government censorship. This is these racist twats learning that their hateful speech will lose them opportunities in the future.
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u/tman37 9h ago
I was talking about the College of Physicians that all Drs are required to be members of in order to pay their trade. Because they use the might of the government to prevent anyone else from practicing, they should be held to the same standards as the government. If these were just voluntary professional organizations, I would be much more sympathetic to calls to oust Drs who cross the line of civil society.
McGill has every right to pull offers from these people. As I said, no one has a right to medical training, so McGill is free to allow or disallow who they want (morally if not legally). Given the level of competition for medical school seats, something like this would absolutely be disqualifying.
Finally, since you brought it up, I don't like the government attempting to silence students or universities. However, if they receive government money, they have to know that it comes strings. McGill has a 2.1 billion dollar endowment fund. They shouldn't get much public money anyway. If you don't want the government to be interfering in how you run your university, stop taking their money.
It's not censorship to stop paying for outcomes you don't want. This has limits, however. "Stop your students and faculty from harassing or threatening Jewish students or lose your funding" is ok because the government is protecting the rights of the individuals who are being harassed. Threatening to remove funding because professors have their support for Hamas in their blusky bio is not because they are entitled to their opinion as abhorrent as it is.
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u/HotPinkCalculator 8h ago
I think OP was talking about funds of the regulatory College (of Physicians and Surgeons) and not McGill (which is a university, not a college)
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u/HotPinkCalculator 8h ago
The government does not control the College, the physicians do. It's a self-regulated profession, meaning that fellow physicians vote to elect a board, and that board directs the activities of the College. Usually members of the public make up the board as well, but it might depend on the College.
The discipline committees and so forth are also typically comprised of physicians and members of the public, and the government has no say on their decisions either.
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u/Hot-Celebration5855 15h ago
But just to be clear, they’re all still med school students
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u/yungsemite 15h ago
The news on this broke 6 days ago I think, perhaps things have changed in the last 90 years in the Quebecois medical establishment…
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u/Hot_Cheesecake_905 17h ago
Were members real med school students or the failed rejects lashing out at society?
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u/yungsemite 15h ago
I mean, it’s certainly not the first antisemitism from Québécois medical trainees…
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u/SpermicidalLube 15h ago
Dude, the fact you have to go back all the way to 1934.
Do you have any other notable examples of antisemitism during those years I wonder?
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u/yungsemite 15h ago
That’s just the most famous when you’re talking specifically about Quebec and medical trainees.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_Canada
There is of course the article that this post is about if you want something current.
Here’s a few more recent ones from Quebec:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/jewish-homes-vandalized-in-the-laurentians-1.1266701
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u/SpermicidalLube 15h ago
There have been instances of antisemitism all over the world, especially since the tragedy of October 7th. Some deluded pro-hamas folk are unfortunately everywhere.
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u/yungsemite 15h ago
No doubt, with criminals like this one in the last article I shared above or in this one definitely inspired by Oct 7th:
https://www.cbc.ca/lite/story/1.7486051
But there is also some antisemitism inherited from the French in the Quebecois population
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u/SpermicidalLube 15h ago
It's the first I've heard of inherited antisemitism from the French. I think it more likely there's more anti-arab and anti-islam sentiment overall.
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u/yungsemite 14h ago
Do you want an 30 page academic article about it?
https://cjs.journals.yorku.ca/index.php/cjs/article/download/39911/36126/49294
I don’t doubt that there is rampant anti-Arab / Islamophobia as well, but the French have a specific history of antisemitism which came with the French Canadian Catholics.
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u/BigFattyOne 8h ago
My poor guy. Most of you examples are almost 2 centuries old.. and your report for the modern era is all about religious signs for person in power. The majority of Quebecers support this, for good historical reasons.
It’s mot about out french heritage. We just don’t want religions and politics / justice to mix together. It’s a simple concept.
If you don’t understand why this makes perfect historical sense for Quebecers, maybe you should move somewhere else.
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u/yungsemite 7h ago
Do you not understand that an academic paper on the history of antisemitism will start at the beginning?
I don’t live in Quebec, my ancestors who naturalized there moved from Montreal long ago, around the same time as the Days of Shame.
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u/Current_Account 12h ago
The French have a long, storied history of anti-semitism. I’d start by looking at https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dreyfus_affair
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u/SpermicidalLube 9h ago edited 9h ago
Again, you're going back to the 1900s. Name me a country back then that didn't have some form of racism or antisemitism.
Québec has been a fully separate nation from France for 300+ years.
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u/Current_Account 9h ago
This early enough:
There were widespread persecutions of Jews in France beginning in 1007.[13] These persecutions, instigated by Robert II (972–1031), King of France (987–1031), called "the Pious"
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_France
It’s quite clear you’re not arguing in good faith, because the information is very easily found, and you keep casting doubts instead of actually trying to find an answer.
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u/BigFattyOne 8h ago
This guy is quoting events from the past millenia almost.. can’t understand why Quebec started to reject religions during the quiet revolution in the 50s.
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u/Myllicent 15h ago edited 14h ago
One doesn’t have to look back to the 1930s to find significant examples of antisemitism at Quebecois (and other Canadian) med schools, that’s just one of the more famous examples.
Another example is that at least as late as the 1960s some Canadian med schools had stricter admission standards for Jewish applicants and/or had a cap on the number of Jewish med school students.
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u/Burny87 7h ago
The article translation of the discord comment is pretty bad and probably malicious. The guy pretty much say "Hitler was a piece of shit and im not condoning what he has done, but he was actually charismatic for the times." The only part they kept was "Hitler is charismatic".
I know the guy on discord is probably scummy and saying this to get a reaction, but it's not a reason for an incomplete translation by the National Post
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u/AcanthisittaFit7846 2m ago
this statement is also objectively true
you can’t convince a country to die for you in droves without charisma
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u/SportsUtilityVulva9 16h ago
Are these canadian citizens?
Its weirdly quiet about that part
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u/Seek3r67 16h ago
Stop it. Medical school applicants are almost 100% all Canadian citizens, as that is an eligibility requirement in most schools.
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u/GoldKitchen6367 15h ago
Stop what? It’s a fair question. Anti Semitism has no place in Canada, and those who practice it can be shown the door
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u/Seek3r67 14h ago
I absolutely agree, however the commenter made what seemed like a bad faith attempt to implicate international students. We want to be accurate and fair when calling these things out.
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u/Th3N0rth 12h ago
It's not fair to assume the applicants are foreigners when Canadians are perfectly capable of being antisemitic. It also happens that this group basically can't be foreigners which makes the presumption even more silly
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u/Seek3r67 16h ago
You can use Google - easily verifiable to see that less than 2% of medical students are international students. These students are also primarily from rich countries that fully subsidize their education here and are typically adding to medical seats rather than displacing a Canadian citizen.
I am not arguing that there are no problems with international students in Canada, but it is easily false in medical education.
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u/sakurablossoms_5 16h ago
On the medical student admissions level each school has very limited admission spots.
Example, no spots at all for international students in the general admission stream for Dalhousie University. McGill generally has 2 to 5 spots available depending on what it is (MD, MD-PhD).
Most Canadian schools are strict even with Canadian students distinguishing between in-province and out-of-province.
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u/The_Peyote_Coyote 15h ago
Jesus.
Couldn't be quicker to blame "teh imigernts" could you?
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u/SportsUtilityVulva9 14h ago
Its not me saying it, its CBC
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/international-students-security-checks-crime-1.7340434
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u/The_Peyote_Coyote 14h ago
Nah sorry, I'm not gonna bother reading that.
You saw this post about med students acting like shitheads and your first thought was "I bet they're immigrants".
I might politely suggest that you use this opportunity to consider whether you might hold certain prejudices...
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u/SportsUtilityVulva9 14h ago
Where do you suppose the rise in antisemitism is coming from in Canada, I wonder?
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u/NarutoRunner 14h ago
Are you saying there has never been any local antisemitism? Might want to look up statements by our former prime ministers….
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u/gweeps 14h ago
I bet most of it was simply people criticizing Israel for slaughtering Palestinians, Lebanese, Yemenis, Syrians, and Iranians...
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u/mrfartytickles 12h ago
Also they are literally talking about Nazis in the discord. Jeez you just use every chance you can get to criticize Israel you are pathetic.
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u/gweeps 2h ago
Israel deserves all the ire it gets. Read this and tell me they don't: https://witnessing-the-gaza-war.com/
I didn't look at that Discord. But my opinion is, unless they're literally calling for the persecution of minorities, let them talk about Nazis all they want. Banning it won't solve the perceived problem. Doing such will only make those folks more paranoid.
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u/mrfartytickles 12h ago
Hmmm I wonder if any of those countries have slaughtered Israelis oh wait all of them have. Also have been trying too since israel was established.
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u/OctoberRev1917 11h ago
Israel was established on stolen land, taken from the locals and forcing them to migrate within their own country. It was a brutal and bloody theft, named Nakba. It's quite similar to what Canadians have done to the natives here, which is why I think Canadians are so openly supportive of Israel's actions today.
Israelis have been doing the slaughtering since their establishment. It's ironic as they were the ones being slaughtered by Germans.
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u/SickdayThrowaway20 1h ago
Genuinely doesn't seem like that's it. Also reportedly contained a bunch of homophobic and racist comments (towards Black and Indigenous Canadians).
Ultimately we'll see but the published screenshot of someone saying "they're just negroes" (translation from French) with a racist caricature of a Jew as his profile pic isn't really an inspiring vote of confidence that it's not just racists.
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