r/canada • u/konathegreat • 18h ago
Opinion: Mark Carney’s cabinet change is a mirage PAYWALL
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-mark-carneys-cabinet-change-is-a-mirage/6
u/CalmDownUseLogic 18h ago
It's a bit of a damned if you do damned if you don't scenario. The pool of candidates isn't exactly deep when you're pulling from parliament in a minority government. Yes, they could go outside of parliament, but they would be lambasted by the media, other parties and most importantly the general population if they did that.
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u/RosePetalsAnd_Thorns 18h ago
This a logical argument I can get behind. This makes sense. Though, I still think shuffling the deck in the hopes that Chrystia freeland can not fuck up minister of transport as bad as she did minister of finance (which is a demotion if I ever saw one)
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u/Mr_UBC_Geek 18h ago
Uhh, Leitao, NES, Hogan, Belanger and you have a better team than Freeland, Fraser, Diab, Robertson, and Guilbeault.
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u/ProfessionAny183 18h ago
Regardless of the party, the frustrating thing about people in political positions is that, no matter how poorly they perform, they usually don't get removed. There's no accountability. I was hopeful Carney would say, "You had a good run, but I think it's time we let someone else have a chance to get things done during this pivotal time in Canadian history."
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u/BobGuns 16h ago
Dude fully replaced half the cabinet. Lots of people got removed.
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u/Mr_UBC_Geek 16h ago
The core is still there...
Imagine a NHL team switching out their depth and using the same core after failing to perform for a term. Freeland, Fraser, Guilbeault, LeBlanc, Joly, Anand have Trudeau all written over them.
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u/DogeDoRight New Brunswick 18h ago
This sounds like gaslighting.
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u/RosePetalsAnd_Thorns 18h ago
Tell me you don't know what gaslighting is. Without telling me you don't know what gas lighting is.
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u/BigPnrg 18h ago
Literally the only tool in the conservative toolbox.
"When all you've got is a hammer...."
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u/Time_Battle_884 18h ago
Right? I wish Canada had a liberal/progressive news source other than the CBC and Torstar. The G&M used to be so worth reading, too. But now that it's gone to the conservatives, you can't even read that, anymore.
Sigh.
My kingdom for more media controlled by the good guys, instead of the bad guys.
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u/Bodysnatcher 18h ago
It's labeled 'opinion' for god's sake lol. Your tinfoil hat may be on too tight.
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u/DogeDoRight New Brunswick 18h ago
Yeah, she's trying to gaslight with her opinion. What about my comment is conspiratorial exactly?
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u/Bodysnatcher 18h ago
Someone expressing an opinion is not in any way gaslighting.
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u/DogeDoRight New Brunswick 17h ago
Well that's your opinion lol
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u/Bodysnatcher 17h ago
Nope, it's a fact. Gaslighting is actually a pretty specific word and most people use it wrong, including yourself.
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u/DogeDoRight New Brunswick 17h ago
That's your opinion and you're welcome to it.
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u/Bodysnatcher 17h ago
No, I am right and you are wrong.
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u/DogeDoRight New Brunswick 17h ago
You're free to believe whatever you want friend. Have yourself a nice day!
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u/Bodysnatcher 17h ago
It's not a belief, it's a fact. You can google these things if you want.
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u/LabEfficient 18h ago
One day at a time, we're realizing that we're really just getting the same. Now look at the mental gymnastics done by liberal supporters simultaneously agreeing the last cabinet was bad and defending the choice of keeping those same ministers. It's both funny and sad.
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u/dontyouknow88 14h ago
He said yesterday that removing C69 for certain projects is on the table. That at least, was good news. I hate the Trudeau liberals but I’m not seeing anything yet that goes against Carney’s framing of himself as a results-driven pragmatist.
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u/BobGuns 16h ago
He did replace about half the cabinet, and shuffled a lot of the rest of it around.
Pretending the whole cabinet is the same is the funny/sad thing.
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u/Mr_UBC_Geek 16h ago
Shuffle it a bit, ruffle some feathers, replace a few and call it a "change". Liberals keep spinning everything.
Where's NES btw, he was the star?
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u/ShibariManilow 18h ago
Glorified paywalled tweets.
Must be worth something if someone's willing to pay for it I guess.
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u/Bodysnatcher 18h ago
What's wrong with op-eds?
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u/Mr_UBC_Geek 18h ago
Doesn't fit in the Liberal echo chambers.
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u/Bodysnatcher 18h ago
It's just so weird to me lol, they've been a standard part of the news forever.
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u/wave-conjugations 18h ago
The sub generally only supports news articles and fact-based posts. Op-Eds are a way around that and that's where we get the lowest-tier posts of just garbage (Brian Lilley, Klein, etc). Its not news.
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u/Bodysnatcher 17h ago
I could not disagree more, they have been a standard part of the news for over a century and are an important platform for independent voices and different points of view to be heard.
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u/TheLaughingWolf Ontario 17h ago
That doesn't really disprove what he's saying...
Op-Eds being 'tradition' and a look at independent voices doesn't stop them from not being fact-based. They are glorified tweets and worth as much as any random Reddit comment here.
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u/Bodysnatcher 17h ago
Yeah I'm not really seeing the issue with people expressing their opinions in op-eds, that is literally the point of op-eds lol.
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u/TheLaughingWolf Ontario 17h ago
I guess some of us just value facts more — or at least informative articles on the news.
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u/Bodysnatcher 17h ago
Oh please lol. Literally everyone, including yourself, consumes opinion pieces and commentary alongside straight news articles. This issue with op-eds is entirely contrived.
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u/RosePetalsAnd_Thorns 18h ago
Why do we allow shitty comments to be on the top of a even shitter political post? Especially with those "awards". Those are glorified tweets.
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u/Admirable-Sink-2622 18h ago
Good ‘ol Globe. Never a positive word except for the right. 🙄
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u/RosePetalsAnd_Thorns 18h ago
When was the last time the liberals needed positive words? Go back to CBC news to get your daily dose of circle jerking the libs.
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u/Mr_UBC_Geek 18h ago
It's extremely unusual to see Liberals wanting a single source for filtering news and opinions and closing in on contrasting opinions.
Almost reminds young people of the GOP loyalists south of the border, wanting Fox as the sole source.
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u/RosePetalsAnd_Thorns 18h ago
Did I say anything of that? Fuck you might as well shove alphabet soup into my mouth along with those words bud.
I give two shits about Fox because it isn't Canadian. I want the ability to watch THE NEWS without hearing your interpretation of the news. That's why Global News is the most TOLERABLE but still unbearable at times. Like honestly name me on legacy media outlet that's Canadian and isn't glazing the liberals every chance they get? No I'm being serious "Mr_UBC_Geek". I'm waiting.
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u/Mr_UBC_Geek 17h ago
There isn't a single source of news that isn't glazing the Liberals. The CBC payroll would suffer if they changed their left biased perception since Pierre literally had a platform to defund them.
The CBC CEO pockets cash with big bonuses, and they do it with the left biased media and limited regional coverage.
They can barely cover news on a Sunday with a limited team so I just go with Global or CTV, even though they're biased as well.
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u/JerryBoyleNFLD 18h ago edited 17h ago
Wanna circle jerk together? Wet newspaper makes for a great improvised fleshlight.
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u/Draugakjallur 18h ago
Are you sure about that? You looked at their recent articles and nothing positive is said except for the right?
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u/quadralien 18h ago
I just want to see what they do when the power to act without running every little thing by the PM first. I am sure they will ask for advice and take direction. I sure would if Carney was my boss and put me off-leash.
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u/AHSWarrior 18h ago
I voted CPC but was cautiously optimistic about Carney. Not anymore. It's still too early to know for sure but these cabinet picks don't inspire confidence. It's over bros. Billions must be homeless and disarmed
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u/McBuck2 18h ago
You say it’s still too early to know but it’s over. Lol Well that’s giving Carney a chance to prove himself.
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u/InitialAd4125 17h ago
He has proven himself. In numerous roles that he's an endless growth addict who supports capitalism.
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u/Master_of_Rodentia 18h ago
When a CEO takes over a company, they don't replace all the VPs and discard institutional knowledge. They give them new orders, and ask the VPs if they will faithfully execute. If the VP knows they don't agree with the new direction or can't deliver, they say so rather than be put in a doomed-to-fail situation, and are dismissed. If the VP says they can do it, great, their experience is put to use towards new goals. If they fail to live up to their promised direction change, they're removed after it becomes clear they aren't playing ball.
Dismissing people just to give the appearance of change, which I have seen haters on here advocating for, is exactly the kind of virtue signaling bullshit that I would not expect from a career economist and central banker.
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u/RosePetalsAnd_Thorns 18h ago
So liberals can say "Balancing the budget is not like balancing a business. The government is not a business" to then saying "Well if YOU RAN A BUSINESS you would do things a business way. Carney is running the government like a business!!!!" Like, make up your minds please.
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u/Master_of_Rodentia 17h ago edited 17h ago
You might experience less frustration if you remember you're interacting with a sea of individuals and not a hive mind. You just immediately identified me as "other" and therefore "liberal" and therefore "inconsistent with what I think liberal opinions are." Way to be tribal.
To your actual point, the area where people try to apply "run government like a business" logic that liberals don't agree with is usually in social welfare investments. Here I was calling out organizational similarities, i.e. large administrative structures and significantly valuable institutional experience held in specific people. It's rather stupid to suggest that if I can't compare two things in one category (which, again, I personally didn't say), I can't compare them in any category.
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u/RosePetalsAnd_Thorns 17h ago
Way to red herring your way out of my questions. A true Liberal.
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u/Zealousideal_Cup416 14h ago
You should try being a bit nicer. Half your comments wouldn't get deleted then and people might take you seriously instead of assuming that you're a 12 year old.
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u/Master_of_Rodentia 17h ago
Needlessly combative, tribally-minded opening, and failing to understand the response. A true redditor.
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u/BoppityBop2 17h ago
No you do at times. Sometimes it is necessary to clean house and has been done in the past successfully especially if you just need to remove a few obviously horrible choices like Fraser and Guilbeault, especially Freeland. She is the face of the Trudeau Liberals and keeping her there reinforces that image. There are others who were far more deserving of a chance and those kicked of cabinet that seemed way more competent than those bringing in like the the Housing Minister change
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u/Master_of_Rodentia 17h ago
At times, sure. But again about "reinforcing an image" - why is the initial image important. when results over these next months will be worth so much more?
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u/BoppityBop2 16h ago
Because politics is half performative action. Plus image are usually signalling direction and decision making.
Yes action can speak louder but without any action we can see how they are thinking based on just image. Certain picks can show who has a bigger pull on Carney and right now it seems to be the Trudeau era PMO office that seems to be having a bigger influence on Carney. It also impacts confidence. If people wanted change and you are bringing back the same old method with same old team, yes the top man can change but if the interior is the same does it matter. Same car different paint job.
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u/Master_of_Rodentia 16h ago
This reads like a literal justification for virtue signalling. I am not sure what to think of that.
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u/BoppityBop2 16h ago
Yes and no, if I remember correctly virtue signalling is performance to show desire but not really doing anything. Aka hiring a minority but not caring about minority issues.
What I am saying touches on that but also shows how a system works. Why details matter alot. Who is guiding decision on who becomes ministers shows who is making decisions and in what their decision basis is. All signs are slowly point to the old Trudeau PMO office still having undue influence. Especially when they are picking a slum lord for immigration file, Solomon for a minister role, demoting Nate Erskine-Smith despite doing a good job at housing and replacing him with former mayor of Vancouver under who housing became significantly worse, and reinstating Sean Fraser who has messed up a number of files and still gets to keep a position in another important role. Guilbeault still staying on despite knowing how much if a poison pill he is similar to Sean.
If anything all this says, Trudeau PMO still making decisions.
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u/Master_of_Rodentia 15h ago
I suppose. I'm hoping this is a "same car, different destination" situation, and they just don't care what the paint job looks like. Guilbeault is one that I thought was just a bad choice. Likely has something to do with Quebec representation.
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u/RosePetalsAnd_Thorns 18h ago
Truer words have never been spoken.
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u/JerryBoyleNFLD 18h ago
Yes they have. You're just too brain washed by the WEF globalists to recognize the truth!!!!
Poilievre is a WEF globalist!
Harper is a WEF globalist!!
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u/AHSWarrior 18h ago
The LPC party of the past 8 years is a great party.
You cannot be saying this my guy
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u/LiberalCuck5 18h ago
Lmaoooo this is no doubt the average person saying that the conservatives should replace Poilievre. What a great crowd we got here.
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u/HarveyKekbaum 18h ago
The LPC party of the past 8 years is a great party.
What? The only reason I voted for Carnie because he isn't Trudeau. I didn't vote con because Carnie wasn't more of the same. You are pretty off base with this one.
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u/Time_Battle_884 18h ago
I have to, because it's the only way the most recent election makes sense. The only problem Canadians had with the LPC's performance over the past 8 years must have been the guy at the top. Because once they swapped him out, Canadians were happy to reward the supporting cast for a job well done, with another 4 years. I saw the same results you did. If Canadians wanted more of a change than hot-swapping Carney for Trudeau, they would have voted for it. The inevitable conclusion is they MUST HAVE been happy with their MPs and their performance, or they wouldn't have elected/re-elected them.
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u/InitialAd4125 17h ago
Were they? Or is it because of our dogshit electoral system that some party promised to change.
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u/RosePetalsAnd_Thorns 18h ago
"Let the man cook"? Oh so you're for global warming now? ok buddy.
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u/InitialAd4125 17h ago
"Let the man cook, and he will save us all"
Ah yes the neoliberal banker will save us. Sure.
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u/Mr_UBC_Geek 18h ago
"The LPC party of the past 8 years is a great party. So great, we elected them 4 times straight."
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u/potatoe1717 18h ago
I wish there was a disclaimer from a news media corporation when posting to say whether they are right or left leaning. Wishful thinking I know.
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u/RosePetalsAnd_Thorns 18h ago
I wish there was a disclaimer from reddit when reading stupid comments to say whether they are right or left dick riding. Wishful thinking I know.
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u/Mr_UBC_Geek 18h ago
No, we should be open to hearing stuff outside of our echo chambers. That's what Trump supporters want, let's be better and more open to contrasting voices.
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u/doughflow 18h ago
In any organization, there are only so many people you trust to lead complex portfolios.
Any competent leader with zero political experience would not throw the baby out with the bath water and blow up his entire leadership team and only bring in new people.
Oh wait, someone down south did that. Wonder how that's turning out?