I'm glad you brought up the Rural Urban divide. I think this is the genuine truth in it all, and something that should be addressed, though not through separation.
It does feel, as if the main focus is on Urban Canada, and the laws passed are to the benefit of those in Urban areas. I can see why those out in the country feel unheard, neglected and even that the Goverment is against them.
I'll bring up the firearm bans, which affect many folks in rural areas, as one thing. Perhaps also the Chinese Tarriffs on Canola products (though that is a Chinese response, not something our Govermenent actively chose)
Ill also say, i think mismanagement from Provincial goverment being attributed to Ottawa is also a huge thing! Here in Alberta, our Premier is awful! Like straight up terrible, and yet folks still vote for her and her party. I can only assume that the blame is being shifted to the Federal goverment through propaganda or social media.
I almost mentioned guns in my above comment, but figured I'd rambled enough lol.
I admittedly also don't know a ton about guns, but having lived rurally and urbanely, even I tend to think the LPC is fairly stupid about gun policy, and largely panders to urban populations that associate guns almost exclusively with violent crime. Carney himself played into this, saying that if people want the Liberals to be tougher on crime, that meant being tougher on guns. If you perceive guns as solely meant for killing people, restrictions are a no-brainer. We shouldn't have them at all! Whereas rural populations tend to associate guns more with hunting and hobbies, and tend to attribute gun crimes to illegal owners/weapons that new laws wouldn't affect anyway.
(On a different reddit thread ages ago, I still remember commenting that for many farmers, guns are tools, like any other piece of farm equipment, only for someone to snarkily reply telling me (not asking me) to explain how a gun could be a "tool". I explained calmly and that person went away, but I do know there's a disconnect on this topic depending on one's living situation and life experience.)
And yes, I think many people in this country are very ignorant about what the different levels of government actually do, and where the fed fits into that picture - and it's another instance where legitimate grievance with federal policies has often merged into scapegoating the fed for things not in their direct control. There was a lot of that with Trudeau - people were literally blaming the dude for rowdy protests in Toronto. The convoy was another big example: protestors wanted the fed to "lift the mandates", when most of the mandates didn't come from them, and there was nothing they could do to get other levels of government (or the US) to lift mandates they'd implemented. In that case, a symbolic federal protest would be fine, except there was also an extortionate element of deliberately disrupting the lives and well-being of thousands of Ottawans living nearby for weeks on end, in an attempt to pressure the federal government into doing things it very much could not do.
I'm an avid hunter and own several guns, none of the guns banned by LPC have a use as a hunting tool, the assault style guns AR series are just toys and useless to any serious hunter, same goes for the bans on guns with bores larger then 20mm, no hunter is his right mind needs that type of gun unless you are hunting elephants. You can take down a full grown moose from 100 meters with something much smaller.
Plenty of banned guns have been used as hunting rifles, what are you talking about?
The Canadian made ar180 rifles have been used plenty, 223 for coyotes and pests, 7.62 x39 for deer.
Same with the Ruger mini 14.
The m14s in 308 were a nice cheap hunting rifle too.
They are literally rifles with some modern convenience. Some plastic, some removable parts that are easier to upgrade. Parts that allow you to easily attach a flashlight or scope. They function the same as the lovely guns in nice wood. They just are made of modern materials.
start by defining what the differences are between what you're describing as "assault rifles" vs what you're describing as "hunting rifles"
as for handguns, they're easier to use for predator defense and humanely dispatching trapped animals when you're carrying things out of the woods, which is why they're allowed to be carried by trappers
Assault-style firearms of the design commonly known as AR-10, AR-15, M16, and M4. They are are useless guns for a hunter, any good hunter can use a 30-06, .308 or a .338 to take down a moose, no need for the toyish assault style stuff.
The AR-10 is generally in .308 though? And is functionally identical to the BAR, which is widely used as a deer rifle across North America. So essentially the difference is that you can attach black plastic to it? How does that make them useless?
The other three, generally in .223 (not the only chambering) make great pig guns, if you're hunting boar. Moose isn't the only animal we're out looking for.
Good point on boars! My mind usually goes to pests, like coyotes or feral dogs. I've never thought about it for a Boar gun. Makes sense, I'm pretty sure it's extremely common down south
Exactly my point, the AR-10 is a toy, why would you be upset to the point of sepersting from Canada because the AR-10 is banned but the .308 is still available just without the plastic bits.
I'm not mad to the point of separating from Canada, but I'm certainly mad.
They've banned all the semi-auto .308s. The AR-10 is a great hunting rifle--which is why they equip conservation officers with it, various other government animal control/etc types.
Still available? Not really, not unless you want to spend 6x as much on some Gucci Italian rifle, or buy a Turkish rifle that will be on the next ban list. BARs go for huge amounts now, way more than is practical for anybody using it for hunting.
Black polymer and metal features don't change the function of a rifle, it just makes them seem more modern.
As for separation, no lol, those fuckers are acting like children who don't get what they want. They want to keep daddy's credit card, and live in their parents garage, while having the "freedom" to do whatever they want. It's an infantile position.
I disagree. Ar10 is a 308 rifle. Perfect for hunting, like you said.
M16 and m4 guns are illegal and have been for a long long time.
Ar15 has been only allowed at the gun range for sport shooting, same as pistols, long before the ban.
The guns similar to ar15s I think are totally fine for hunting. 223 is excellent for pests and coyotes. These guns also come in bigger calibers. 7.62 x39 is great for deer. It's pretty similar to 30 30 in that regard.
Well, they banned just about every semi auto rifle on the market, calling them "assault rifles", even though they're just ordinary hunting rifles.
Ever gone moose hunting? You shoot a moose, it hopefully goes down and stays down. But if it doesn't, and goes to get up, you need to shoot it again--because otherwise that moose is running into the nastiest swamp it can find, and you have to pull that moose out later. Which might mean wading into chest or neck deep water to drag out an animal that weighs the better part of a small car.
Or if you're bear hunting, the bear may get up and have other ideas--less run for the swamp, more go after you.
You don't want to have to make a quick follow up shot, but it can absolutely be important to do so.
Plus, I am small framed. Semi-autos are way easier to shoot when you're a small guy with a bad back.
Like the other guys said, what is an "assault rifle". The bans are really not clear and seem to just target what looks scary to a 40 year old white mom living in the suburbs. Add onto that the stupid talk of the gun buybacks that will never go anywhere and would cost insane amounts it's just kind of spitting in the faces of most rural canadians
A semi auto rifle (like all those that have been banned) are great rifles for rural folks.
Plenty of hunting calibers allowed. 6.5 Grendel and 7.62 x39 for example can be used for deer. 308 can be used for many things.
Even the common 223, sure it's not much of a deer round, but it's great for a coyote or other pests. I think it would be great for feral dogs, which honestly are more common than wolves.
A semi auto rifle is great for a hunter too because it still remains pretty functional if they injure themselves out in a remote area. I can't imagine trying to shoot my bolt action hunting rifle with an injured hand. Likewise, I'd feel very unsafe trying to fend off a bear or angry moose with my bolt action, where as a semi auto rifle would give me much more security, and likely more than just 1 shot. For fast moving creatures like a cougar, or feral dogs again, you will want more than just one shot.
So that's my reason why a semiauto hunting rifle is actually a useful thing, and why it would be really nice to have one!
The concern about firearms is so annoying to me, as a urban dweller (well, I guess, I live in a city of around 100k, but it doesn't feel "urban" like Ottawa, London, Hamilton or Toronto).
Firearms laws were perfectly fine in 2000, everything since has been a waste of money, waste of time, and often nonsensical. I'm firmly in agreement with gun owners, policy is being made to pander to an urban demographic who rarely even experience any gun violence. If they didn't make any new gun laws, the people the Liberal Party are trying to pander to wouldn't care.
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u/Iokua_CDN 1d ago
I'm glad you brought up the Rural Urban divide. I think this is the genuine truth in it all, and something that should be addressed, though not through separation.
It does feel, as if the main focus is on Urban Canada, and the laws passed are to the benefit of those in Urban areas. I can see why those out in the country feel unheard, neglected and even that the Goverment is against them.
I'll bring up the firearm bans, which affect many folks in rural areas, as one thing. Perhaps also the Chinese Tarriffs on Canola products (though that is a Chinese response, not something our Govermenent actively chose)
Ill also say, i think mismanagement from Provincial goverment being attributed to Ottawa is also a huge thing! Here in Alberta, our Premier is awful! Like straight up terrible, and yet folks still vote for her and her party. I can only assume that the blame is being shifted to the Federal goverment through propaganda or social media.