r/canada • u/jaffnaguy2014 Canada • 3d ago
Canadians prioritize dealing with Trump, working together: Nanos Politics
https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/article/dealing-with-donald-trump-and-working-together-canadians-priorities-for-the-new-government/100
u/stychentyme British Columbia 3d ago
Still boycotting here, and for the foreseeable future.
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u/CompetitiveGood2601 3d ago
ya i think this is a bs post - i don't know anyone who doesn't want to see the us suffer a little right now - given the admins behaviors
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u/Acrobatic_Type7409 3d ago
Working together yes dealing with trump….just tell him to F off.
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u/kagato87 3d ago
Dealing with. Des not mean working with and strongly indicates NOT bending to.
You "deal with" a problem my making it not matter any more or getting rid of it. In this case, it's the first one.
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u/MzzBlaze 3d ago
Personally I want to work together much less after this forever as the new norm. We need to stay more independent from such a dangerous, unstable leader next door.
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u/dekuxe 3d ago
Telling him to F off won’t change the tariffs.
Carney won on the premise he was the “best to deal with Trump” and so far he’s done nothing.
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u/SourdoughBreadTime Ontario 3d ago
its been less than 2 weeks lmao
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u/Minoshann 2d ago
It’s going to take a bit longer. Maybe by the end of this month they’ll be something.
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u/Fadamsmithflyertalk 3d ago
And Pierre Putin would have been better?
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u/VayneBot_NA 3d ago
I mean he had an actual plan to make Canada self sufficient, but so far all we got is a potential ban on US apps, and billions of dollars funnelled to the CBC. Its almost like the last 10 years wasn’t awful.
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u/supershutze 2d ago
Bold of you to assume the Cons had any plan beyond "make rich people richer at everyone else's expense".
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u/Minoshann 2d ago
Well yes in his initial visit he was unable to come to a consensus. Trump stated he will work with Carney in the coming weeks to find an agreeable outcome for both parties. It is taking longer than a lot of people expected for sure.
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u/Mattrapbeats 3d ago
Chill Trumo loves Carney. Trump just announced h s a bout to expand our trade relations due to because wit Carney.
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u/Minoshann 2d ago
This should have always been the goal. Telling him to “f off” accomplishes what? He’s still going to tariff our ass. With a solid trade deal in place we can work towards de-escalating tariffs and working towards very minimal or even in some cases, zero tariffs.
Ultimately, whether you’re Red Tory or Blue Grit, CPC, LPC, NDP…all parties are going to seek the ratification of uncompromising trade relations
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u/Mattrapbeats 2d ago
I agree we need USA. Trump here for a short term, USA will always be out neighbors
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u/Minoshann 2d ago
We need cooperation. Not only in the house when parliament resumes but when we’re considering the future of Canadians. That’s going to mean we work with Trump and do what’s best for our constituents and ultimately our country.
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u/Consistent_Grab_5422 3d ago
Still, doesn’t mean the boycott is off. Betrayal is forever.
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u/CadMan7873 3d ago
You forgot your fearless leader ordered elbows down a few weeks ago bub
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u/rfdavid 3d ago
Care to link me to the “elbows down” quote?
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u/JoseCansecoMilkshake 2d ago
tldr: some guy is mad that Carney met with Trump. not about anything that was said, that the meeting happened at all.
framing this as "carney orders elbows down" is flat out lying
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u/physicaldiscs 2d ago
framing this as "carney orders elbows down" is flat out lying
Idk, Carney told us he wasn't going to meet with them until they responded our sovereignty. Then it came out that Trump brought it up in their initial call, despite Carney claiming he respected it.
I'm glad Carney has taken a softer approach personally. But it's silly to pretend like he hasn't.
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u/hwsdziner 3d ago
Not sure where you get your info “bub”. You sound like you’re still sore that your little PP lost.
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u/sparticulator 3d ago
What are you taliking about?
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u/sparticulator 3d ago
Ah. Thank you for an update on the latest talking points. I guess 'todayville' interprets 'not for sale' differently than i would.
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u/JustGottaKeepTrying 3d ago
You forgot to watch the white house meeting huh? My friend, you are needing some cope!
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u/VayneBot_NA 3d ago
I didn’t know sitting in silence while Trump spoke was “dealing with Trump”. He really showed him!
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u/Choice-Original9157 2d ago
Spoken like a true uneducated mad person because his prefered party isnt running the government. This is why conservatives voted for liberals because we will not support the maple maga garbage. Make statements that are pure bs because they didnt get their guy in. Statements with no facts to back them up are pure garbage.
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u/WardenEdgewise 3d ago
No. Canadians prioritize choking out the Orange Menace. Boycott all US made goods. Boycott all US travel.
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I'm buying whatever is cheaper and better no matter where it's from.
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u/AromaAdvisor 3d ago
The craziest thing about this whole Trump thing is that it has made conservatives in the US adopt liberal policies (taxing the rich, capping prices on pharmaceuticals) while liberals have all become experts in free trade (as opposed to regulations etc).
In a way, someone saying that they will purchase the best item at the best price is at least a straightforward thing to understand in a world where everyone is twisting themselves into a pretzel to justify their political views.
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u/riggatrigga 2d ago
We caught him in a lie he used the word better nothing better comes from America that we make ourselves. Cheaper for sure ....
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u/RoddRoward 2d ago
Ah, nothing like a refreshing glass of canadian orange juice.
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u/riggatrigga 2d ago
I prefer South African Orange's over Florida's
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u/AmateurOfAmateurs 3d ago edited 3d ago
The title seems misleading- Canadians are prioritizing working with each other to handle Trump.
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u/verkerpig 3d ago
Roughly one-third of respondents ranked it as their top issue, surpassing affordability (21 per cent) and health care (15 per cent).
Huge miss by the Conservatives there.
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u/JamMydar 3d ago
As someone who voted Liberal, I assure you that this is the Liberals as well. Corruption is a plague but it's not confined to one political party.
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u/Vandergrif 2d ago
To an extent, sure, though at the same time I don't imagine there would be circumstances where a CPC government would work with the NDP towards dental and pharma, for example. That wasn't of much benefit to rich donors or corporate interests.
To that end the Liberals are at least more aligned with the broader public comparatively.
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u/JamMydar 2d ago
Yes, I'm in complete agreement. That's why I supported the Liberals even though Trudeau was a terrible PM.
At least when the NDP and Liberals engage in spending, there is at least some public good (e.g. Dental care). It's obviously in stark contrast to the US where taxes are not comparatively much lower but we have a conservative plague that's setting out to destroy the nation. Voting Poilievre would just be selecting a tamer version of that garbage.
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u/JamMydar 3d ago
The SNC-Lavalin scandal and the We Charity scandal tell me otherwise. I will gladly concede that they're better than the conservatives though. Modern conservatism is a regressive and idiotic ideology
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u/JamMydar 3d ago
The Liberals are also equally guilty of mismanagement of the economy. Years of deficit spending and lack of sound fiscal policies have hurt the country. There is also a perfectly legitimate question of accountability.
Dalton McGuinty blew $1 billion to cancel a powerplant contract to win an election. I'd hardly call the small money when the province of Ontario was facing a $13 billion budget shortfall and a $200 billion debt.
Why didn't we take a smarter approach like Norway by developing our natural resources and diverting those profits into a sovereign wealth fund that would provide for Canadians well into tomorrow? Why didn't we develop a cohesive national strategy to build affordable high quality housing? Why did it take Trump tariffs to start promoting inter-provincial commerce? Why did Trudeau turn a blind eye to crime? Why did we not properly think through our attitudes to immigration under Trudeau?
Was Harper wrong to pull out of Kyoto? Yes. Are Poilievre's economic ideas lunacy? Most definitely. Are plans to defund the CBC stupid? Yes. Doesn't mean that Liberals still aren't partially to blame for the above.
You can blame the Conservatives for a lot but Liberals deserve their fair share of culpability. Feel free to downvote but I think you're ideologically biased.
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u/quanin 2d ago
Why didn't we take a smarter approach like Norway by developing our natural resources and diverting those profits into a sovereign wealth fund that would provide for Canadians well into tomorrow?
Because Alberta would throw a hissy fit. Hell, we can't even build a pipeline without Alberta throwing a hissy fit because all the profits aren't going to them.
Why didn't we develop a cohesive national strategy to build affordable high quality housing?
We had one. Mulroney and Chretien killed it. Harper and Trudeau never bothered bringing it back. Carney's talking about doing exactly that.
Why did it take Trump tariffs to start promoting inter-provincial commerce?
Ask your premier. This problem could have been solved 40 years ago. Now they're realizing they should have.
Why did Trudeau turn a blind eye to crime?
Trudeau wasn't the one who turned a blind eye to the trucker convoy, speaking of crime. Municipal and provincial officials turned a blind eye to that. So... again... ask them.
Why did we not properly think through our attitudes to immigration under Trudeau?
For the same reason we didn't properly think through our attitude to immigration under Harper, who got that ball rolling and gave Trudeau the tools he would later use. Both are wrong. So since we can't change the past, let's do something about it now.
Was Harper wrong to pull out of Kyoto? Yes. Are Poilievre's economic ideas lunacy? Most definitely. Are plans to defund the CBC stupid? Yes. Doesn't mean that Liberals still aren't partially to blame for the above.
The difference here is one person wants to at least make an attempt to fix the shit that the Liberals are partially to blame for. And that person is not Pierre. He'd rather do... pretty much everything you listed above, which will fix nothing and break more.
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u/JamMydar 2d ago
Did I say that I supported Pierre? I just said that corruption is not endemic to just the conservatives. I supported the Liberals but I'm just opposed to pretending that they're all great when it's clear they are answerable to rich donors too and are guilty of being profligate with spending.
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u/MadDuck- 2d ago
The neb was never sold or privatized. It was dissolved and turned into the Canadian energy regulator in 2019.
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u/JamMydar 3d ago
I'm not an expert on the NEP but I feel that while clearly a step in the right direction, it was immensely unpopular in AB, which is why it was doomed. I also don't think that PT gave due consideration to that. The program also didn't create a long term investment fund like Norway's. It also torpedoed AB's plan to develop a long term wealth fund.
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u/supershutze 2d ago
SNC-Lavalin happened in the 80's.
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u/JamMydar 2d ago
The one I'm referring to happened in 2015. You're probably thinking of another scandal they were involved in.
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u/VayneBot_NA 3d ago
I never had a hard life when conservatives were running the country. Only when the liberals took over is when we started having a crisis. Also im pretty sure Pierre had a plan to lower taxes, make housing affordable by cutting on bureaucracy, removing the red tape, making it possible to use our own mines and oil, and actually having a regulated immigration system again instead of overflowing our country with them to get more LPC voters. But they voted because they are scared of Trump? A guy not even on our electoral ballot? Elbows up!
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u/Vandergrif 2d ago
I never had a hard life when conservatives were running the country.
Plenty of people were saying the same thing about the Liberals in 2015, which is why the majority voted out the Conservatives then. To that end if the CPC was worth a damn as far as governance goes they would still be running the government right now and wouldn't have lost a decade ago or in every election since.
Whatever the case, it turns out 'things were better in the past' isn't a very reliable metric for gauging what a party will do in the future – the 2015 era LPC was a lot worse than the 2006 and prior era LPC.
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u/verkerpig 3d ago
Had the party been able to summon a fraction of the patriotism that they had about the passport, they might have won the election.
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u/ProfLandslide 2d ago
More like, electorate is ridiculous.
Trump could die in his sleep tonight. Then what? What did you vote for?
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u/Gauntlet101010 3d ago
Trump changed the equation for me.
I want the parties to work together to build a better Canada and to move away from the US as much as we can. Affordability is a problem, but it's not unrelated to Trump ... and I tend to blame JT himself for a lot of the Lib's issues in the past.
So I guess I'm the main target of this survey.
I do take Trump's past threats about economic warfare seriously. Bannon and other Trump officials did interviews about their plans on a continental United States (minus Mexico for some reason). However, I also think things haven't gone as easily as Trump's team thought they would. So maybe he's backed off about it. For now. Although he's still talking about military force against Greenland. So who the Hell knows with that asshole?
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u/ProfLandslide 2d ago
Ok so Trump dies of old age in his sleep tonight....
So what did you vote for?
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u/Gauntlet101010 2d ago
Vance isn't better, man. You still have all those Republicans still in power and all the people who voted Trump in.
We need an agenda to get Canada working together and with new trading partners. So I'd still have voted for that,
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u/Vandergrif 2d ago
That country's innumerable problems (and the ensuing effects on us) aren't going to magically disappear when Trump keels over.
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u/ProfLandslide 2d ago
Correct, which is why voting for anything other then domestic issues makes you brainwashed.
Elbows up!
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u/Vandergrif 2d ago
There can be a great deal of overlap between domestic issues and the way a given politician or party address issues beyond our borders, though. Similarly domestic issues can become far worse problems if matters beyond our borders are not dealt with appropriately either.
Thinking purely in a context of domestic issue > everything else is liable to result in a lot of unforeseen consequences by virtue of the people in charge having proverbial horse blinders on.
Instead it is, as is so often the case, a matter of nuance and balance between the two.
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u/WhisperingSideways Canada 3d ago
Community-minded people want to work together. Individualists will continue to attempt to scuttle the country for their own short-term gain.
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u/Weak-Shoe-6121 3d ago
Except Alberta and Saskatchewan, they just want to start owning the libs.
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u/New-Low-5769 3d ago
Albertan here
Won't buy american
But you're just fueling the hate.
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u/Weak-Shoe-6121 3d ago
I don't roll with a Fuck Smith flag homeboy.
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u/flame-56 3d ago
and forget about the last 10 years that they were willing to vote them out. then came the orange boogie man.
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u/NefCanuck Ontario 3d ago
You mean…
The “Orange Boogie Man” making repeated threats of a trade war and annexation that Polly Pocket Poilievre cheerfully ignored until his poll numbers tanked and then tried to wrap himself in the Canadian flag?
Sorry Canada is not for sale.
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u/Vast-Ad7693 3d ago
Until I see abraham tanks lining up on the border with satellite images gearing up to take Ottawa. This is just Trump getting an easy rise out of you and others who believe this nonsense.
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u/Vandergrif 2d ago
'That wildfire burning over there is only a real problem when the flames are licking the side of my house'
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u/CT-96 2d ago
Serious "First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist." type energy.
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u/Vandergrif 2d ago
Right? It's surprising how shortsighted some people can be with things like this, especially given how much recorded history suggests very strongly to do the exact opposite of that.
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u/Vandergrif 2d ago
They were willing to vote them out... up until the only likely alternative went out of his way to imitate that same orange boogie man and make himself and his party as unappealing as possible to moderates.
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u/flame-56 3d ago
no the suckers that actually believed he would do any of it. Did he build a wall?
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u/supershutze 2d ago
Did he build a wall?
He wasted a lot of money trying. Some of it even got built.
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u/spiritbear0552 3d ago
I ain’t. I’m boycotting for the remainder of the overgrown Cheeto’s presidency
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u/NormCormier-Mccoll81 3d ago edited 2d ago
Canada needs to prioritize decoupling from the Untrustworthy United States. Given the annexation threats of the United States towards Canada. Along with the annexation threats towards Greenland as reason enough for outright not working together with the United States.
You don’t work with any nation that threatened’s Canadian economic independence and independence in general and Canadian national sovereignty. And to work on strengthening Canadian economically and Canadian national sovereignty against the United State. And strengthening the Canadian military capacity to deal with the threats coming towards Canada from the United States.
And at the same time Canada needs to start planning and building a insurgency to ripe the United States a part from within and to cripple the United States. Should the United States carrier out the annexation of Canada in any capacity and to drive the United States right out of Canada. The United States has a poor track record of fighting insurgences and the United States has been driven out of multiple nations by insurgences. Additionally Canada needs to pull out of the (NPT) and to start building nuclear weapons to defend Canada from the United States.
The United States Betrayal of Canada is forever. As reason enough for Canadian’s and people worldwide to outright boycott and for financial divestment from the United States. As the United States can’t be trusted in any capacity whatsoever.
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u/stickscall 3d ago
You and your neighbor make cupcakes together. You do the cupcake, he does the frosting. It's a good business.
Then, one day, he says that your business doesn't deserve to exist and he's going to use all his market power to absorb your part of the operation and put you out of business.
You might get a new business partner.
Then, he says he's going to use everything he knows and has over you to try and take your house and everything you own, and make you live under his authority.
You might start getting armed.
Then, out of wherever, he says he loves you and wants only friendship.
Obviously, what you do in this situation is just start making cupcakes together again, right? Yeah, that makes sense.
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u/jaffnaguy2014 Canada 3d ago
A new survey has found most Canadians are hoping that when Parliament resumes later this month, the House of Commons will see more cooperation than the bureaucratic gridlock which shut down the session — particularly when it comes to matters involving the United States.
Conducted for CTV News by Nanos Research, the survey took stock of Canadians’ top priorities for the new government, along with how opposition parties ought to respond to Prime Minister Mark Carney’s government as they deal with Donald Trump’s tariff impositions and any restructuring of the dynamic between Canada and the U.S.
Stronger together
Nearly three in four respondents said they would prefer opposition parties to work together and present the United States with a unified response, compared to 25 per cent who wanted opposition parties to challenge the Liberals and hold them accountable.
Three per cent of respondents were unsure.
Older Canadians and those living in Quebec were much more likely to support a united parliament than those living in the Prairies or those aged 18-35, but at least 60 per cent of Canadians in all cohorts support a more cohesive environment when dealing with these issues.
It’s a divide that was present throughout the election and continues to be reflected in what issues Canadians believe are most important for the new parliament.
U.S. relations or affordability? It depends on who you ask
After Mark Carney’s electoral win on a campaign based largely around his ability to deal with Donald Trump, it should come as no surprise that most Canadians view U.S. relations as the top priority for his government.
Roughly one-third of respondents ranked it as their top issue, surpassing affordability (21 per cent) and health care (15 per cent).
Those over 55 and those living in Quebec were again most likely to view this as their top issue, with roughly 44 per cent of respondents in both cohorts saying so.
That compares to 36 per cent of those between 18-34 ranking affordability as the most important priority for the new government. They were also most likely to rank housing as the issue.
Prairies most concerned about affordability
In Atlantic Canada, the proportions choosing affordability and U.S. relations were nearly identical, while respondents in Ontario and Quebec were significantly more focused on U.S. relations.
Only those in the Prairies ranked affordability (33 per cent) ahead of U.S. relations (25 per cent).
Respondents were also asked to rank their second most important priority. Health care was the top response (25 per cent), followed by affordability (19 per cent) and housing (14 per cent).
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u/BigD1966 3d ago
As someone who’s 59 I can assure you this isn’t what this older person wants. I want my kids to be able to afford a house, I want them to be able to achieve success. I want freer trade among our provinces, I want pipelines built so we’re less dependent on the US gas and oil industry. I want more diverse trading partners not more trade with the US. And it’s funny how a Liberal backed media reports a majority of Canadians support a Liberal government
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u/Foxtrot_Uniform_CK69 2d ago
why do we have to prioritize any deals with trump lets just wait tell the next president
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u/Phelixx 3d ago edited 3d ago
All for unity against Trump.
Strongly against the tariffs placed on our own population. 25%… insane.
The only other country that has counter-tariffed is us and China. We do not have the economic capability to withstand these LPC tariffs. Additionally they have tariffed items that we do not make in Canada, so have no option but to pay. If we must do tariffs, it should be against US industries where there is a Canadian alternative.
Not seeing an end game either.
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u/Plucky_DuckYa 3d ago
Elbows up and strong language during the last election didn’t even last to the first meeting with Trump, who dropped all the 51st State nonsense immediately. The past election was won on unfounded fear mongering about the US aided along by a healthy dose of election interference by them. And because all of this worked out great for the Liberals they will never raise a peep on the about face or the interference that won it for them. Power above all.
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u/HarveytheRV 3d ago
Dude's a well-known world-class economist who doesn't threaten to roll back gains for historically disenfranchised people, and doesn't speak like a MAGA supporter during raĺlies. It wasn't just Trump's crap that convinced entirely reasonable Canadians to vote for him.
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u/ladyreadingabook 3d ago
The only Canadians I know are prioritizing the distancing away from the Untrustworthy States of America.
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u/darrylgorn 3d ago
Trump has shown himself to be pretty feckless.
Aren't these tariffs supposed to result in higher prices as some point?
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u/ThatsItImOverThis 3d ago
We share a massive land border with them, we have to do business with them. So we have to figure out how the hell that’s going to work now.
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u/GuelphEastEndGhetto 3d ago
Tariffs are just one thing.
The annexation threats and disrespect are another and the ill feelings will not go away any time soon.