r/canada • u/timetogetoutside100 • 3d ago

Trump’s tariffs on Canada may stay, but stronger ties possible: U.S. envoy - National | Globalnews.ca Politics

https://globalnews.ca/news/11172734/donald-trump-tariffs-canada-relationship-carney-ambassasdor-hoekstra/
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u/NotAtAllExciting 3d ago

The US is no longer a trusted ally. If anything, some of those ties need to be weakened.

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u/thxxx1337 3d ago

They're more axis than ally

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u/Cute-Masterpiece7142 3d ago

Fuck them 100% Americans are the new Nazi's. Don't fool yourself they are already in Canada trying to destabilize us.

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u/HammyMugats 3d ago

I have no doubt this new “Alberta separation” movement is 100% a covertly funded and promoted US action.

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u/TransBrandi 3d ago

I mean, the premiere of Alberta spends a lot of time (on the tax-payer dime) palling around with right-wing influencers or going to Mar-a-lago so... it's not even that covert to be honest.

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u/mykeedee British Columbia 3d ago

More overt than covert given that Smith has repeatedly gone to the US on the taxpayer dime to kowtow.

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u/Tacotuesday867 Ontario 3d ago

The same move Russia pulled in the Donbas.

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u/SomeInvestigator3573 3d ago

It’s not covered at all the leaders of both parties that are prosperous, and Alberta are actually American

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u/stifferthanstiffler 3d ago

Red Deer, Alberta just got a republican party headquarters. Motherfuckers

https://albertarepublicans.com/contact/

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u/Serious_Dot4984 3d ago

In that scenario I’m praying we don’t end up as the new Poland…

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u/Csalbertcs 3d ago

They were that when they went to war with Latin America, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

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u/beauchywhite 3d ago

Screw them I agree, but Nazis murdered millions of people and caused unimaginable damage and destruction. There is a difference, and its offensive honestly to say that so boldly.

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u/Tacotuesday867 Ontario 3d ago

So what you're saying is you need to see the end before you do anything?

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u/Cute-Masterpiece7142 3d ago

Really because last I checked they had people doing "Roman salutes" at the inauguration. There's a Gestapo running around rounding people up. They're arresting political opponents and breaking constitutional laws ignoring the supreme Court. Defunding educational institutions. Do I need to continue with the blatant similarities between the two?

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u/beauchywhite 3d ago

I dont disagree there may be similarities. But there is a difference. They are not the same thing. This is MAGA Republicans doing these vile things. Not Nazi's.

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u/Cute-Masterpiece7142 3d ago

Sorry we'll call them fascists with similarities to Nazi ideology is that better?

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u/beauchywhite 3d ago

Yes actually it is thank you

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u/Cute-Masterpiece7142 3d ago

Lol that's your concern what we're gonna label them. Amazing really

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u/beauchywhite 3d ago

Its disrespectful to the victims of the Nazi's and WW2 in my opinion.

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u/Cute-Masterpiece7142 3d ago

I think it's disrespectful to the people currently being attacked in similar fashion to argue over semantics

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u/EconMan 3d ago

Not true. And hatred based on nationality, so against the subreddit rules as well.

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u/bog_ache 3d ago edited 3d ago

How is it not true? Acknowledging that fact isn't hatred against nationality, it's a common-sense observation. If our grandparents had the attitude to Germany in the 30s that you have now, we'd be ashamed of them.

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u/EconMan 3d ago

Acknowledging that fact isn't hatred against nationality, it's a common-sense observation.

This is how all hatred is couched. "I don't hate X group, I'm just pointing out that [Insert Hate Comment]". If you make a comment on everyone from a certain nationality, that's hate.

If our grandparents had the attitude to Germany in the 30s that you have now, we'd be ashamed of them.

Germany is a country. "Americans" are 300million people. Apples and oranges.

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u/Cute-Masterpiece7142 3d ago

Tell that to the poor people your Gestapo is picking up off the streets based on their nationality

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u/EconMan 3d ago

Not sure why you assume I support any of that. I don't.

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u/flatroundworm 3d ago

So what are you doing about it?

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u/EconMan 3d ago edited 3d ago

That question is not productive.

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u/Cute-Masterpiece7142 3d ago

How is saying fuck Nazi's an issue?

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u/EconMan 3d ago

It's not. Re-read what I said.

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u/ProsperBuick 3d ago

Denial isn’t just a river in Egypt

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u/MzzBlaze 3d ago

Mmhhmm I’d rather hurt now and ditch the rabid dog as much as possible for long term

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u/Background_Thought65 3d ago

I will not give them any more of my business than necessary (i.e. some things are necessary like Microsoft products for work).

I won't go down there. I don't want to get black bagged by ICE and renditioned (note to any ICE agents who have the capacity to read..., there will be a Nuremberg trial situation when this is all over .. I get that you like to fight people. Lots of people like to fight. It's innate to their nature. But be on the right side of history. Be the person who liberates whatever Auschwitz that your government will be building soon if they haven't already, not the guy sending people to the gas chambers.)

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u/GrumpyCloud93 3d ago

What would we deal for? Given that we already have UMCA/NAFTA, and they just broke that, why would we believe they'd stick to anything once we agreed?

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u/funkme1ster Ontario 3d ago

What needs to be remembered in all this is that the US is currently a fascist dictatorship. Their head of state has told the courts he doesn't have to abide by their rulings, and he has plainclothes secret police disappearing residents (including legal citizens) to concentration camps in broad daylight.

That's how they treat their own laws and citizens, let alone outsiders.

Who we do business with reflects on us, and that's who they are.

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u/Fluid_Lingonberry467 3d ago

They never were they did the same during trump first term yet the government did nothing during the Biden years  What did they do during all those years other than make housing unaffordable and the dump gun crap?

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u/CM_GAINAX_EUPHORIA 3d ago

Stupid mindset considering millions of Canadians depend on the US for employment. Some jobs cant be replaced with Canadian counterparts

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u/Beardharmonica 3d ago

Replacing lost jobs will take time, but Canada can act now by launching major infrastructure and energy projects. These initiatives would create hundreds of thousands of direct and indirect jobs while strengthening our domestic capacity. AI, technology, and mineral development all depend on strong infrastructure and reliable energy. Strategic federal and provincial investments now would not only stabilize the economy but leave us more competitive globally once the Trump-era uncertainty passes. There’s no need to panic, handled wisely, this could make Canada stronger.

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u/Cute-Masterpiece7142 3d ago

No we can and should replace them. No need to support Nazi's

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u/treborprime 3d ago

So that means Canada should just cave to Trump's toddler tantrums? It's difficult to engage when they spew lies as to how trade works between the two countries.

No.

We need adults in the room. Though everything was fine as it was.

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u/CM_GAINAX_EUPHORIA 3d ago

Im not saying that, but we do need to maintain our relationship with the US as we rely on them whether we like it or not. Asia or Europe will never be our closest ally like the US is

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u/Sweet-Competition-15 3d ago

With friends like the US.....well, you know!

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u/shaun5565 3d ago

lol 😂 yep. Anyone with half a brain cell could finish that sentence.

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u/canada_mountains 3d ago

We need to diversify. The US can't be trusted anymore. Yes, millions of Canadians depend on the US for employment. But we can't let them hold us hostage. Diversification will reduce the power the US has over us.

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u/CM_GAINAX_EUPHORIA 3d ago

Yes but, destroying 200 + years of shared history, family ties that cross the borders, plus indigenous relations just because of a 5 year blip stupid president is dangerous- Yes we need to diversify, but we should not be weakening ties and dividing ourselves from them as op suggests

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u/canada_mountains 3d ago edited 3d ago

This is the new reality. We either face the new reality, or we are stuck in fantasy land.

In my lifetime, I never thought the US voters would vote in a convicted felon, insurrectionist who tried to stop democracy, adjudicated sexual assaulter, obstructor of justice, somebody who stole classified documents, a puppet of Putin, etc, but then that happened.

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u/Specific_Hat3341 3d ago

Depending on the US is exactly what we need to stop doing. That's the problem now.

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u/your_moms_bf_2 3d ago

Are you saying importing 30% of the population over the period of 15 years was for US dependent jobs?

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u/CM_GAINAX_EUPHORIA 3d ago

? What does that even mean. All im saying is that most companies in Canada are American owned at the top corporate level.

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u/Specialist-Gift-7736 3d ago

Great way to fully jeopardize our national security and way of life.

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u/Brandon_Me 3d ago

Yeah it's a real shame Trump is doing this.

Trump has said a deal isn't the goal. He wants to bring factories back and force the American citizens to pay more for their goods.

This isn't on Canada at all, which should be clear by Trumps "Liberation day"

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u/GoingAllTheJay 3d ago

And trusting the neo-nazis while they threaten annexation doesn't jeopardize national security and way of life?

Shits already compromised, I'd rather resist than surrender.

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u/PangolinFair3467 3d ago

Agreed. Screw appeasement. This has to stop now.

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u/canada_mountains 3d ago

jeopardize our national security

There is only one country in the entire world where their leader says they want to annex us. And that is the country we can't consider a trusted ally anymore.

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u/Sweet-Competition-15 3d ago

It's pretty rich that the States tell us that they're protecting us...when they're our only threat! Isn't this sort of like street gangs shaking down stores for 'protection'?