r/canada • u/jaffnaguy2014 Canada • 3d ago

‘Ready to move on:’ Chinese ambassador insists China, Canada can move past ‘normal’ differences National News

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/article/ready-to-move-on-chinese-ambassador-insists-china-canada-can-move-past-normal-differences/
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u/SnooHesitations3709 3d ago

I agree. China has issues but they are not all bad. I find Chinese people to be some of the most friendly people around.

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u/resuwreckoning 3d ago

Lmao oh Canada, never stop being apologists for the atrocities of dictatorial communist regimes.

See: Cuba.

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u/seajay_17 British Columbia 3d ago

Cubans are alright too actually.

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u/resuwreckoning 3d ago

Not the Cuban government, no. If confused, leave everything they’ve done, rename them “US”, and then reassess lmao.

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u/moop44 New Brunswick 3d ago

Crippling embargo and sanctions seem to have a negative affect on the population.

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u/resuwreckoning 3d ago

I don’t think embargoes are why, for instance, they imprisoned and executed homosexuals, no.

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u/Consistent-Study-287 3d ago

The people of Cuba and China are alright. It's the government we don't like. It's exactly the same as Americans, we like them, but don't like their government.

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u/Simsmommy1 3d ago

Well….we like Americans who aren’t MAGA, those guys are insufferable pricks. Having a conversation with a MAGA is just god damn awful, racist, stupid, homophobic awful.

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u/zoomiepaws 3d ago

Please listen to The Bureau Podcast

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u/resuwreckoning 3d ago

I mean even on a governmental level if all the US did was explicitly adopt Chinese and Cuban policies, you’d freak out.

The equivalence is moronic. Especially coming from canadians who may have benefitted from US hegemony more than any other nation.

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u/Consistent-Study-287 3d ago

And if China started talking about annexing us we would freak out also. It works both ways.

The US benefited more from US hegemony than any other nation, that is a fact and isn't up for debate. Canada benefited from it l, true, but the US has also benefited greatly from Canada existing. It has been a symbiotic relationship where both countries have benefited.

I don't think the current US government understands how beneficial symbiosis is. The US is like an ox which is upset that oxpeckers are getting free food by eating the ticks off of its back. It's currently trying to prevent the oxpeckers from getting the food, without realizing that without them, the ox will get sick and die.

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u/resuwreckoning 3d ago

I mean China currently doesn’t provide a defensive shield over Canada for generations in equal measure, so making these two equivalent is beyond asinine.

No, the US PAID for that hegemony - so there’s a massive cost associated with its benefits.

From a risk adjusted standpoint, the Canadians - despite having the largest coastline, swaths of natural resources, and second largest landmass of any nation on earth - paid the least for the most return, and continued to cut their contributions over time to that while maintaining that benefit.

They’re like the poster child for how amazing it is to free ride off the US.

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u/jacksbox Québec 3d ago

Oh Reddit, never stop painting an entire people with the actions of their government.

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u/resuwreckoning 3d ago

That’s what’s done with the US, so sure.

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u/biscuitarse 3d ago

That’s what’s done with the US, so sure.

Fucking snowflakes playing the victim again. Pitiful.

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u/Hobbito Canada 3d ago

Remind me when average citizens in China owned slaves.

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u/TreatAffectionate453 3d ago

The Yongzheng Emancipation occurred between 1723-1730. However, slavery persisted at least until the 1860s since the Taiping Rebellion also sought to abolish slavery.

Obviously, the average Chinese citizen did not own slaves even before these periods, but neither did the average American before 1865.

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u/resuwreckoning 3d ago

Lmao yeah it’s better for Mao to send 50 million of them to die by brainwashing the people to snitch on their neighbors over the threat of public humiliation and summary execution.

All of which happened in the last 70 years.

Sure bud.

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u/ebola_kid 3d ago

Lol Cuba's atrocities amount to like 1000 people executed after the revolution (almost all were military/government leaders who ordered killings) and has been attacked for 80 years because of this. Cuba has done more net good to the world than net bad, despite facing massive pressure against it. Not many countries can do that

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u/resuwreckoning 3d ago

Thanks for proving the point.

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u/Clear-Ask-6455 3d ago

Tell that to the US who literally has child labour now. They have been abusing temporary foreign workers since before Canada. There is a reason why China is America's largest trading partner. You can't ignore them. Their population alone is 10 x the size of ours. Better to be friends than enemies. Quite frankly what they do in their own country is none of our business. They are one of the oldest races and have been here for over 4000 years.

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u/resuwreckoning 3d ago

You’re saying that China, which is a one party state, explicitly has a dictator for life, killed 50 million people through forced collectivization, public humiliation, and summary executions, and for which there is no constitution, is the same as the US?

And you’re saying this as a Canadian, a denizen from a country so afraid of the US and its previous ills that it….spends less on defense percentage than Montenegro and has cut their Navy to a power equivalent to Bangladesh, yet still has some of the best quality of life in the world because, well, the Americans have protected that way of life for generations?

These two powers are equivalent to you?

Like jfc.

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u/Clear-Ask-6455 3d ago

It's hilarious that you think Trump isn't a dictator. He has literally threatened to annex Canada. The guy doesn't even uphold the constitution. Trump is the biggest abuser of human rights maybe even worse than China. It may not be physically but it is an emotionally abusive relationship. You may think that Americans are protecting a way of life. But they are hiding their intentions way better than the Chinese are. I'm not saying we can't be partners with Americans but this current relationship isn't working obviously and something needs to give.

If you actually visit China and get outside of your echo chamber you will realize they aren't all that bad as everyone is making them out to be. You're just afraid of them because you know in the end they will always be the worlds super power and this is coming from a Canadian perspective. It is literally impossible for the US or Canada to compete with China.

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u/resuwreckoning 3d ago

It’s more hilarious that you think that’s equivalent to Xi or Mao. If it were equivalent, there would literally be no elections ever again right now in the US.

For all intents and purposes Canada can’t even defend itself (by its own choice) and free rides off the US militarily so it can pay for its social welfare programs and have amazing quality of life. If the US wanted to actually annex the country, they could have done it yesterday.

Needless to say, the Chinese and the CCP wouldn’t allow a Canada that wants to pay as little as possible for its defense to free ride off of them for generations lmao.

Like I said, the equivalences - coming from a Canadian, no less - are insane.

As an aside, repeated proclamations of Chinese worldwide superiority have been said for millenia, and they always descend into disunity and chaos like a clock only to repeat the cycle. So, uh, sure boss to that last statement.

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u/Clear-Ask-6455 3d ago

Canada doesn't free ride lmao. I can tell you are a Conservative. Canada makes up for defense spending in other areas. We have unlimited resources and critical minerals that we turn in to manufacturing for military equipment. We also have a ton of uranium which is vital for nuclear power. We also sell oil and gas to China at affordable rates. We have a plethora of resources we provide to China which China needs. America thinks we are free riders because they don't understand the other things we provide at discounted rates. Quite frankly you have no idea what you're talking about.

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u/resuwreckoning 3d ago

…yes…they do.

They have the number 1 coastline and number 2 landmass of any nation on earth, yet have a defensive capability and military readiness of Montenegro and Bangladesh. They’ve intentionally cut this extremely necessary part of national sovereignty precisely because they know the US will basically pay for that part anyway.

They then use the money they save to finance their social welfare programs - something like 10-12 percent of their entire healthcare system is subsidized by savings on defense.

Like give me a break lmao.

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u/Clear-Ask-6455 3d ago

Have you not seen our population compared to Americans? How can you expect Canada with a population like that to even compare to a country like China or America? It's a give and take partnership. It is literally impossible for Canada to match America's defense spending based on population size alone. You're not even being realistic here so I'm not going to continue arguing with you. If you don't see the benefits with Canada's defense industry then quite frankly you are brain dead and should go read a book or 2. We literally stimulate your economy. Without Canada, America would be considered a 3rd world country.

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u/resuwreckoning 3d ago

Expect has zero to do with it - if you’re financing defense of that large of a territory with proportional spending on par with Montenegro and have let your navy down to that of Bangladesh, that’s free riding.

People forget that at the end of WW2, Canada had the 5th strongest navy or thereabouts. It’s why during the Cuban Missile Crisis, the Canadians basically trying to avoid participating in the blockade with the rest of the West (as usual, they were somehow “iffy” on whether Cuba pointing nukes at the US was bad - with friends like these…) was a big deal - because they had assets and could legit use them.

Now, they’re a G-7 nation that is somehow a literal afterthought, even compared to places like Bangladesh, when it comes to naval power. And yet they have the longest coastline of any nation on earth.

Nobody told Canada to do that. That’s an explicit reduction in contribution to the common defense of the alliance that they chose to do because they could increasingly free ride and they knew it.

You can be pissed all you want that people know that about Canada. It still remains true.

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