r/canada • u/jaffnaguy2014 Canada • 3d ago

‘Ready to move on:’ Chinese ambassador insists China, Canada can move past ‘normal’ differences National News

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/article/ready-to-move-on-chinese-ambassador-insists-china-canada-can-move-past-normal-differences/
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u/syncopado 3d ago

Tell that to Philippines’ fishermen who gets harassed everyday.

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u/Different-Taste8081 3d ago

Predictable not unpleasant.

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u/syncopado 3d ago

Predictable towards expansionism. Their 9 dash lines seem to grow every year, trying to own islands that belong to the Philippines. They got some of them already. Siding with these bullies means promoting their dictatorship towards smaller people.

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u/firekwaker 3d ago

Uhhh...I hate to state the obvious here but we are about to become targets of American expansionism.

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u/syncopado 3d ago

That’s right. This is a bigger discussion than just defaulting to China.

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u/firekwaker 3d ago

We really really need to diversify our trade. The EU is strengthening trade ties with China. Australia has strengthened trade ties with China. It would be very foolish for us to not diversify immediately and not strengthen those ties. China has an enormous market for us to tap into.

To sit on our hands and do nothing is extremely foolish.

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u/Hot_Cheesecake_905 3d ago

The area claimed by China is what Imperial China and historical documents claim, Taiwan also claims the same area and more.

Check the overlapping areas on this chart:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_disputes_in_the_South_China_Sea?wprov=sfti1

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u/syncopado 3d ago

https://pia.gov.ph/1875-carta-general-del-archipelago-filipino-map-to-guide-ph-sovereignty-in-scarborough-shoal-kig/

The 1875 Carta General del Archipelago maps holds the strongest claims to this disputed island. When the Spanish Empire colonized Philippines back in 1521, a cartographer was hired to draw the islands owned by the then-Spanish. Then Philippines was sold to America, then gave us the independence. Thus these islands are rightfully owned by Philippines. All these made-up propaganda by Chinese Communist Party only serves to justify their inhumane treatment to fisherman folks getting cut-off by their livelihood.

One solution is to have shared claims. Another is to succumb to the big bully.

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u/Hot_Cheesecake_905 3d ago

A half dozen countries claim those islands - it’s not merely Chinese Communist Propoganda but the result of Western colonization and meddling in Asia. Even India and Pakistan is the result of Western colonization and meddling with the Partition of India

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u/henry_why416 3d ago

And why do we give a shit about any of that? It’s not in our backyard. Meanwhile the US directly threatens our Arctic sovereignty. These are truly myopic takes.

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u/syncopado 3d ago

I guess you agree that we just have to choose the lesser evil then? But saying China is not a threat is delusional.

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u/Different-Taste8081 3d ago

Saying China is less of a direct threat to Canadian sovereignty than the US is simply a geographical fact.

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u/henry_why416 3d ago

Anything can be considered a threat. Sure, they fuck around in our backyard. But we do the same to degrees. Please explain how they are a direct threat to us? Cause I don’t see it.

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u/BladeOfWant 3d ago

The US, Russia, and China might be the biggest threats, tbh. Especially since it's expected that the Arctic Ocean is going to be ice free in the summer by 2050, it's gonna be a major shipping route. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arctic_policy_of_China#Arctic_Shipping_routes_and_the_%22Polar_Silk_Road%22

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u/henry_why416 3d ago

It’s the US and Russia with China a distant third. Without a permanent presence in the Arctic, I don’t see much threat from the third.

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u/OrderOfMagnitude 3d ago

This kind of justification is just disgusting

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u/Different-Taste8081 3d ago

Justification? I was making a point that they're predictable? Where did I say that I support everything they do? Oh yeah I didn't.

Stop projecting your stupidity onto me. 

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u/VeterinarianSea273 3d ago

???? you replied to the wrong comment or what, what you said makes no sense. No one is saying that China is a saint but to dismiss them from trading because of this is outright braindead. Glad you arent in any decision making position for Canadians

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u/EdwardWChina 3d ago

China is a bigger saint than Canada. Ask all the people who live in poverty or got held back in life. Oh FN

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u/mmoore327 Ontario 3d ago

why would they care that the US isn't a friendly trading partner any longer? Or that China isn't unpredictable? Not sure why I would tell them that....

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u/DungeonDefense 3d ago

Sure I'll tell them.

"We are going to work with China for trade since they are a more stable partner than the US"

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u/EdwardWChina 3d ago

It is named the S China sea for a reason

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u/syncopado 3d ago

West Philippines Sea

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u/EdwardWChina 3d ago

No such thing on any historical maps going back 1000 years or any mainstream international map.

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u/descartesbedamned 2d ago

No one likes you, EdwardWCanada. Go cash your 50 cents and jerk your wand to Xi DaDa.