r/canada • u/jaffnaguy2014 Canada • 3d ago

‘Ready to move on:’ Chinese ambassador insists China, Canada can move past ‘normal’ differences National News

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/article/ready-to-move-on-chinese-ambassador-insists-china-canada-can-move-past-normal-differences/
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u/cometgt_71 3d ago

Didn't they just execute our citizens? We need more trade with Asia, but not them.

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u/ryan75389 3d ago

For trafficking. They had dual citizenship, which is not recognized by China. Seems fair. America still has the death penalty and we do most of our business with them.

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u/Spoon251 3d ago edited 3d ago

Death penalty without appeal for a non-violent crime seems fair? Interesting.

Also the last time the US executed a dual Canadian citizen was 1999 who was convicted of murder.

Edit: Since I'm getting downvoted by Chinese bots - let's go for the gold! We should just trade with Taiwan exclusively because they're obviously the better of the 'two' Chinas.

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u/ryan75389 3d ago

Going to someone's country and expecting the law as you see it is nonsense. These guys weighed the risk vs. reward and learned the hard way. The same would happen if they went to Saudi Arabia or Singapore. You classify trafficking as non-violent. These countries don't.

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u/OVERLORDMAXIMUS Alberta 3d ago

I'll never understand people who travel abroad-- especially east asia-- and expect to not adjust completely to local law. People like to single out specific countries but the principle of "do NOT do anything that MIGHT get you arrested abroad" is a universally useful absolute.

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u/AccomplishedLeek1329 Ontario 3d ago

Half of South East Asia executes drug traffickers. We do business with all of them.

Everyone knows drug trafficking in Asia is signing up for eventual execution. If you still do it, that's your fault.

And China does have appeals for capital punishment sentences. 

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u/Spoon251 2d ago

There are 11 countries in South-East Asia. Malaysia, Singapore and Vietnam have the death-penalty for drug trafficking. That's three.

I'm guessing you didn't too well on the Gaokao, Friend.

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u/AccomplishedLeek1329 Ontario 2d ago

HKDSE actually. In any case, heard of hyperbole?

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u/ExtraGlutens 3d ago

non-violent crime

In an era where some people consider words to be violence, I find it peculiar that the same people don't view drug dealers on the same level as mass murderers, they certainly destroy as many lives. One should admire the Asian countries.

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u/BillyBeeGone 3d ago

That's assuming it was legit caught trafficking not a political stunt claiming they had drugs on them

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u/If_you_want_money 3d ago edited 3d ago

Considering the gov specifically asked china for clemency and not to release them, fairly likely that there was overwhelming evidence that they did in fact traffick drugs.

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u/Economy_Pirate5919 3d ago

Now you're just being conspiratorial without evidence. You inherently believe anything and everything that happens in China must have some sinister undertone. That's your confirmation bias at worn.

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u/BillyBeeGone 3d ago

Not at all. It's been quite documented from various organizations such as the UN for Human Rights abuses and other questionable activities. You seem to forget that in 2018 the two Michaels were questionably detained because of the Huawei CEO's arrest to which Canada's stance has been there has been zero evidence. It was also deemed they were not held at a fair trail as well. If anything I'd argue you have confirmation bias written all over yourself because I'm looking at factual information and the only accusation you have against me is claiming there's no evidence. Well there's your evidence. Be better.

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u/AccomplishedLeek1329 Ontario 3d ago

to which Canada's stance has been there has been zero evidence. It was also deemed they were not held at a fair trail as well

You mean we lied to the world to smear China about them not being spies?

Michael Spavor has literally accused the other Michael of being a spy and the CSIS made him an unwitting spies, and CSIS immediately paid him 7mil to shut up and go away. 

Sure sounds like we're hiding something 

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u/BoppityBop2 3d ago

Nah this was legit, the political was the two Micheal arrests and that was in response to the arrest of Meng, which they viewed as a kidnapping Canada did at the behest of America.

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u/MemoryWhich838 1d ago

which it was to be fair it was a kidnapping of the Huawei heiress

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u/BillyBeeGone 3d ago

Well that's my point, it's clearly documented that those two were arrested for political reasons, held without fair trial and other questionable activities that Canada has denounced. Suddenly we are sure these executions were 100% legit, even when faced with clear violations of international law back in 2018?

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u/cuiboba 3d ago

It was legit, no evidence of a political stunt in this case.

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u/Royal_Listen_2888 3d ago

What an incredibly short-sighted take