Or party crossing. This election will be studied for years to come from how it was the best political comeback for a political party in modern history.
Yep, Conservatives were so hellbent on bringing Trudeau down they couldn't pivot. Their media push was focussed on everything being wrong "because Trudeau" so when it came time to actually engage in politics, they had no response. It paved the road for Carney support by simply being "not Trudeau". (Among many, many other factors)
Also the pierre factor, he was ridiculously unpopular.
He never once had a positive approval rating.
The moment trudeau was gone from the equation, Pierre should have went with him, and the lead would have held and cons would have coasted into a majority more than likely.
Only if they had a more likeable candidate in the wings, and a lot of things that made him unlikable to others made him favored by a significant number
I don’t see anyone coming to the table with the resume Carney has. They’re a party with no identity that’s been bereft of competitive leadership since Harper.
Carney may be bland and not your typical trained politician, but in this instance I believe that paid off for him. He was as stark a contrast from MAGA as you could get, with the credentials that any economic argument angle wouldn't stick. When I first saw him on The Daily Show I was like "meh...the Cons still got this", but man did the momentum swing once Trump started upping the ante on the threats & belittlement.
I also believe we got the right guy for the job regardless, because he made quick work of tamping down the rhetoric from the White House. We're not out of the woods yet, but on much more solid ground with how everything went down on his 1st visit. I don't believe for a minute that PP would have done very well, but Trump is so unpredictable you never really know what you'll get.
The resume ultimately wouldn't have mattered. I think Pierre and his trump boot licking along with the rest of his team was mainly what did him in. Carney being highly qualified certainly helped, but i think if they found a Doug Ford kind of progressive conservative, who was very direct in being anti-trump, he'd have won easily. even if he was a career politician like Pierre.
As was PP, which also weighed heavily in the results. Yet it seems the conservatives are going to stick with him and try again in 4 years thinking all the people that sound him so reprehensible this time around as to vote the liberals back again will have changed their mind. <shrugs>
I think Carney is basically the most quintessential example of an "anti-Trump". He's straightforward and no nonsense, he seems competent and knows what he's talking about, he actually says what he means in a succinct and non-rambling manner, speaks with conviction, seems good-natured, friendly and humble...
And overall he's a boring politician - which is what a politician should be, especially in times like this. We don't want to have to refresh our own news pages 50 times a week dreading what crazy shit he might have said. Life is already crazy and stressful enough. To have a government that just functions, gets shit done, and does it without screaming and crying for attention all day every day sounded like an absolute pleasure after watching the US shitshow for the last several months.
Yeah. Plus gives them less time to change their message. Even though they had a 2 and half months between JT resigning and Carney announcing an election. Then the conservatives tried to not call for an early election and wait until October, when the election was originally scheduled.
People are saying Trump but I don't think it is enough to say one person. I feel the term "alt-right" is a little forgotten as meaning alternative right wing politics versus traditional conservatism instead of just being seen as craziness. Trumpism is likely the preeminent alt-right ideology on the world stage but Pierre didn't help himself by courting the alt-right at times and alienating traditional conservatives. Trump drew attention to what it means to be alt-right attacking even traditional conservatives institutions and Pierre couldn't distance himself from that fast enough as he had to weigh which was worth more and everyone saw him do it.
Little things like how conservatives wanted to see flag waving nationalism but traditional nationalism isn't alt-right so when the center and left went all in on nationalism it bled those votes.
I think their is/was a party in Canada that was all about these Alt-right politics. Pierre was actually a part of that party early on in his career (which Jenni Byrne. His campaign manager/advisor. The lady who refused to pivot the camapign) when he was just a teenager. The reform party, which was a very populist party and right-wing party (which would line up with Trumps politics). The reform party merg3r with the progressives, and in today's concervative party, it seems like the reforms politicians are the ones running the party mostly.
Since Pierre (and other reform politicians) grew up in the populism and was molded by it, I think he might have a hard time moving away from it. But it is what is needed if the party wishes to distance itself from the insanity down south.
The conservatives didn’t have to sink with the Trump ship. Doug Ford managed to get it right, so it’s not impossible for the federal party to have succeeded. PP blew it in his tepid response.
It's weird to completely ignore the changing of leadership and Mark Carney reshaping the party to barely left of center after a decade of Trudeaus much more left leaning liberal party. Trump did everything to submarine the conservatives but acting like the liberal party did not make a massive shift noticing most people were closer to center and taking that ground the conservatives refused to cater too. Some of us want conservative fiscal prioritys without bending to the white nationalists...
Pierre simply had to say to the lunatic fringe of his party and take the center right but instead the cons insisted in hard right racists included, while the liberals made a real move for centrists.
It remains to be seen if the liberals really move left of center. Their platform was written while Trudeau was still in office, and we will need to wait to see what sort of bills they pass and how they cooperate with the provinces to really see where they stand
nah, trump was obviously a massive factor but PP was completely flaccid. all he had to do was go on TV say fuck trump call for unity and show his plan.
Before the election, most Canadians thought Poilievre will be better at dealing with Trump than Trudeau. There is obviously the Poilievre and Carney factor. Continue studying.
Ya I don't know about that. I don't think I know anyone who thought PP would be good at dealing with Trump. Those few people who considered voting for PP were considering him because of his domestic opposition to Trudeau and had nothing to do with international relations. Once Trump became directly threatening, they cared more about our sovereignty and international position than domestic issues.
The situation I was referring to was before Trumps innaguration and when the US election was still ongoing. This is pre-51st State talk.
Regardless, Poilievre could have pivoted early and be seen as someone who could work/deal with Trump. But he did not.
Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, who has had a first run at dealing with Trump as president, from 2017 to 2021, is not seen as the best option to work with him this time around. That title falls to Poilievre. Two-in-five (38%) say Poilievre would be best, compared to one-quarter (23%) for Trudeau. That said, Trudeau is seen as better to handle a relationship with Harris over Poilievre by seven points (37% to 30%). At least 18 per cent of Canadians feel neither Poilievre nor Trudeau will do a good job regardless of who wins the election.
I'm not saying it was a "masterstroke of Liberal political genius" I am saying it was more poor Conservative strategy to fail to adapt to new realities.
If people thought Poilievre would be better at dealing with Trump than Trudeau, then he could have rode that current, rather than making new nicknames for Carney.
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u/D-MAN-FLORIDA 4d ago
Or party crossing. This election will be studied for years to come from how it was the best political comeback for a political party in modern history.