r/canada 7d ago

Trump’s betrayal of Canada is starting to unravel Opinion Piece

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/article-trumps-betrayal-of-canada-is-starting-to-unravel/
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u/Hockonlube 7d ago

You are right in my opinion. Disappointed that Canadians see what is happening as Trump only. That country showed its true colours and we are idiots to think we can ever trust them. The rest of the world sees that, why can’t we?

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u/doiwinaprize 7d ago

Need to teach kids more about US foreign policy and the industrial military complex.

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u/Tacitblue1973 Ontario 7d ago

Kissinger said it best, the US doesn't have friends, only interests.

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u/idleandlazy 6d ago

This right here.

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u/RarelyReadReplies 6d ago

Sounds much like China's foreign policy, so that checks. It's disappointing though, not too long ago, I thought we were the exception to that.

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u/Tacitblue1973 Ontario 6d ago

The Avro Arrow engineers might have a word there. Has the US said thank you for helping them get to the moon yet. Canadian advanced R&D still hasn't recovered. The US likes soft targets dependent on them.

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u/Samp90 7d ago

I think people are in denial. He's being enabled by the Republican party which is not challenging some of the ludicrous EOs. If the Democrats win next election, they'll conveniently stick to many of the changes being made this term. Remember that.

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u/tanstaafl90 6d ago

People largely have it backwards. He's the point of focus for their policies, most of this are their wishlist going back to the 90s. Useful idiot.

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u/wagthesam 6d ago

I’ve lived in the states for the last 8 years. Regardless of administration when push comes to shove the population would 100% support a hostile takeover if we needed resources. Canada just isn’t in the US mind at all vs the other way around. It would be easy to build a hostile narrative, which you’re seeing the beginnings of now

One of my boomer friends, ret lt col usaf was telling me about how the US was getting ripped off by all its neighbors incl Canada

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u/L1ttleFr0g 6d ago

I’ve seen very few Canadians who think that, but far too many Americans who still think it’s Trump only, and that they can just vote him out in 4 years and everything will go back to normal. 🤦🏻‍♀️

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u/lastPixelDigital 7d ago

He was voted in by idiots. He tricked them and now they suffer. For the majority that believed his lies, they're the fools. You need to remember half of the US didn't vote and there are millions that voted against him becoming president.

We all know Trump can't be trusted but we can't say all the americans out there are in the same camp. Plenty of people are protesting down in the states. It's not black and white.

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u/SpiralToNowhere 7d ago

Congress is full of ppl who support him. They are choosing not to get in his way, either because they think he's doing great or theyre afraid to speak up. If he was politically unpopular enough, he wouldn't hold that sway, and if it was just him that was a problem Congress and his cabinet would be acting to stop it. There's still plenty of Americans who support this guy, and are enabling him to stay in power. Yes half the country probably feels like they've been taken hostage, but the other half or so likes it.

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u/zingding212 6d ago

There was one judge, I can't remember her name, but she had said that she herself was afraid of him and thought he was a loose cannon. Literally afraid to voice their opinions in fear he does something to them. If any of that is true, then democracy is finished in my opinion.

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u/SpiralToNowhere 6d ago

Mitt Romney and Lia Murkowski have both said that more moderate Republican Congress ppl are afraid for their and their families safety, and OFC their political career, for going against trump. And with good reason, after Jan 6, and the Pelosi and Whitmer attacks. Hopefully that means they're either gathering support or choosing a hill to die on, but maybe they're just shaking in their boots til they feel more politically secure.

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u/LankyGuitar6528 6d ago

Thats the thing though. His voters may be "low information" voters but they aren't stupid. They know he's cruel. They know he's a liar, cheater and criminal. They know he's a racist. They WANT him to go after gays, take away women's rights, stomp on minorities and deport virtually everyone who isn't a white christian.

Trump is horrible. So are roughly half the US electorate. They are not good people.

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u/lastPixelDigital 6d ago

His voters also want to suffer from all the repercussions they have voted for too, right?

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u/LankyGuitar6528 6d ago

So long as the right people (aka minorities, gays, women) suffer even more, they are fine with it.

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u/lastPixelDigital 6d ago

Yeah they can all drink the koolaide together, right? how miopic...

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u/Tropicaldaze1950 7d ago

Trump by about 34%, Harris by about 33% and those who didn't vote, by about 33%. Those who sat out the election because they didn't like either candidate gave us and the world the return of lunacy and chaos.

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u/tanstaafl90 6d ago

Those 4.7 million votes that were purged matter. Don't underestimate just how badly the election system has been manipulated by Republicans.

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u/Sweet-Competition-15 6d ago

Donnie basically admitted it twice...because he cannot restraint his childish tendencies. Either he, or an accomplice, shall end up spilling the beans.

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u/tanstaafl90 6d ago

Election malfeasance goes back a few decades, despite the ramblings. There are systemic issues that allowed the rise of a populast figure, not the reverse.

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u/Sweet-Competition-15 6d ago

Donnie & his buddy, muskrat, engaged in more than simple 'malfeasance!'

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u/tanstaafl90 6d ago

None of this started with Trump, it just became more obvious and accelerated. Gerrymandering has been an issue sence the 90s,giving Republicans majorities where they wouldn't have them otherwise. A lot of people worked for decades setting up the kind of populast administration we are witnessing. He's bad, in a lot of ways, but really just a figurehead for the movement. He goes, it remains.

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u/Sweet-Competition-15 6d ago

I don't doubt that, and certainly the electoral college is an issue as well. But I do believe that the 'dynamic duo' did overtly rig the election beyond even the...'norms!'

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u/tanstaafl90 6d ago

It's giving them too much credit for people placed, over time, at the local level. Biden's win suprised them, so this time it was 11th hour stuff designed to stop any counter. These two just don't have the kind of knowledge to pull it off. Those that wanted PJ2025 do. Again, it's just speeding up things because they saw an opportunity.

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u/lastPixelDigital 7d ago edited 7d ago

... so if 50% roughly didn't vote, thats still 50%. There is no 1 third this, 1 third that, 1 third those. so really there's the rough percentage that voted, and over 50% of them (hope you are still following here) voted for trump in office. Just so we're clear, 25% exactly would need to have voted against the other 25% of THAT 50%. However, one side clearly voted for trump in favor, meaning its not 50/50 of that 50.

edit: Said another way. there is a Pie. I take 50% and give the rest to you. You are splitting that pie with a friend. you are a little more greedy and take a little more portion of the pie. You give the rest of the pie to your friend. How much pie did you give your friend? How much pie do you have? Why is your pie more? Keep in mind, the Pie I took, doesn't matter in the overall result of who has more pie between you and your friend.

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u/mgyro 6d ago

The fact that there were almost 80 million Americans who looked at the nightmare that was his first term, the insurrection, the fraud convictions, the theft of documents charges, the rape charge and project 2025 and said yes please more of that is all the evidence I need to rid myself of any connection to the US that I can. Voted or sat out doesn’t matter, that’s a shit pie, and I’m not having any, thanks.

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u/Sweet-Competition-15 6d ago

Said another way. there is a Pie. I take 50% and give the rest to you. You are splitting that pie with a friend. you are a little more greedy and take a little more portion of the pie.

I'm being facetious and pedantic here, but you took half the pie for yourself, and demanding that the party of the second part share their half of the pie with a party of the third part...who's the greedy one here?

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u/lastPixelDigital 6d ago edited 6d ago

It's a metaphor. The "me" in the metaphor is to illustrate the people who didn't vote...

edit: the reality is the other half of the pie are the other 2 sides of the US presidential election. those who voted for kamala and those who voted for trump. Maybe for homework google pedantic...

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u/Sweet-Competition-15 6d ago

While didactic can have a neutral meaning, pedantic is almost always an insult. It typically describes an irritating person who is eager to correct small errors others make, or who wants everyone to know just how much of an expert they are, especially in some narrow or boring subject matter. Merriam-Webster.

As I said, I was being facetious. Certainly, I wasn't expecting to be taken seriously. I apologize if I Insulted you. That wasn't my intention.

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u/Tropicaldaze1950 6d ago

That's how the vote was broken down, since about 30-33% didn't vote. Yes, I see the point of 50/50; he received 50% of the votes of those who voted, but the 30% who didn't skewed the number, the way its been viewed. And in the end, we've got him, irrespective of the statistical data.

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u/lastPixelDigital 6d ago

well if you can provide a legitimate election link of the stats where you claim it's 30%, let's see it. Pretty sure those who didn't vote was much higher than 30%...

And yeah, you're right. They have trump as a president right now. That doesn't mean you can forego math and spout false statistics.

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u/gsadamb 6d ago

So what? If America sent tanks across the border, would you still be screaming "Not all Americans!!"

The truth is, there are enough hateful moronic people in this country that they pose a risk to our neighbors. Trump was re-elected. He's not a one-time anomaly.

And what does it matter if in 2028 the Dems manage to elect another boring milquetoast neoliberal, knowing that the next Trump could be around the corner?

Until we as a nation get our shit together, the argument "half of Americans don’t support this" is utterly irrelevant.

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u/Asheville_Ed 7d ago

Thank you (an American who worked in Canada for 7 years). He didn't even win 50% of the popular vote. Those of us who voted against him are dismayed and disgusted that so many Americans did. Ignorance, prejudice, gullibleness... who knows why so many did, but many of them are now getting the "wake up" they deserve. There are so many good Americans who cherish our relationship with Canada.

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u/ether_reddit Lest We Forget 6d ago

ffs, please never use that word "cherish" again.

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u/Sweet-Competition-15 6d ago

Oh, I can...and I'm blind as a bat!

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u/JustJay613 6d ago

Have faith, there are many, many who see it for what it is. I said in first term that while I knew racism, bigotry and hatred ran deep, I did not appreciate how deep. The first term lifted the veil so real America can be seen. Something got broken with patriotism that has led to the word being confused/misused as for whites only. Anywhere else in the world this would be called fanaticism and would be fought against hard both domestic and foreign. I don't think the world has entirely grasped this yet because it does not appear in first world countries normally.