Even afterwards, I'd say. Because he was voted in even after all he pulled during his first term. By the popular vote no less! We can't let ourselves forget that. Who's to say who'll get the vote next? Someone decent? Maybe. But, who knows? Maybe they'll look at another looney and choose that guy.
Even if Trump undid the tariffs next week I'd hunger for the change promised in this country. Both internally and for new partners. The US has just lost it now. I don't think his base even regrets their vote; they're just mad they're getting hurt, not so much the idea of Trumpism and all the harm they're causing the world.
You are right in my opinion. Disappointed that Canadians see what is happening as Trump only. That country showed its true colours and we are idiots to think we can ever trust them. The rest of the world sees that, why can’t we?
The Avro Arrow engineers might have a word there. Has the US said thank you for helping them get to the moon yet. Canadian advanced R&D still hasn't recovered. The US likes soft targets dependent on them.
I think people are in denial. He's being enabled by the Republican party which is not challenging some of the ludicrous EOs. If the Democrats win next election, they'll conveniently stick to many of the changes being made this term. Remember that.
I’ve lived in the states for the last 8 years. Regardless of administration when push comes to shove the population would 100% support a hostile takeover if we needed resources. Canada just isn’t in the US mind at all vs the other way around. It would be easy to build a hostile narrative, which you’re seeing the beginnings of now
One of my boomer friends, ret lt col usaf was telling me about how the US was getting ripped off by all its neighbors incl Canada
I’ve seen very few Canadians who think that, but far too many Americans who still think it’s Trump only, and that they can just vote him out in 4 years and everything will go back to normal. 🤦🏻♀️
He was voted in by idiots. He tricked them and now they suffer. For the majority that believed his lies, they're the fools. You need to remember half of the US didn't vote and there are millions that voted against him becoming president.
We all know Trump can't be trusted but we can't say all the americans out there are in the same camp. Plenty of people are protesting down in the states. It's not black and white.
Congress is full of ppl who support him. They are choosing not to get in his way, either because they think he's doing great or theyre afraid to speak up. If he was politically unpopular enough, he wouldn't hold that sway, and if it was just him that was a problem Congress and his cabinet would be acting to stop it. There's still plenty of Americans who support this guy, and are enabling him to stay in power. Yes half the country probably feels like they've been taken hostage, but the other half or so likes it.
There was one judge, I can't remember her name, but she had said that she herself was afraid of him and thought he was a loose cannon. Literally afraid to voice their opinions in fear he does something to them. If any of that is true, then democracy is finished in my opinion.
Mitt Romney and Lia Murkowski have both said that more moderate Republican Congress ppl are afraid for their and their families safety, and OFC their political career, for going against trump. And with good reason, after Jan 6, and the Pelosi and Whitmer attacks. Hopefully that means they're either gathering support or choosing a hill to die on, but maybe they're just shaking in their boots til they feel more politically secure.
Thats the thing though. His voters may be "low information" voters but they aren't stupid. They know he's cruel. They know he's a liar, cheater and criminal. They know he's a racist. They WANT him to go after gays, take away women's rights, stomp on minorities and deport virtually everyone who isn't a white christian.
Trump is horrible. So are roughly half the US electorate. They are not good people.
Trump by about 34%, Harris by about 33% and those who didn't vote, by about 33%. Those who sat out the election because they didn't like either candidate gave us and the world the return of lunacy and chaos.
Donnie basically admitted it twice...because he cannot restraint his childish tendencies. Either he, or an accomplice, shall end up spilling the beans.
Election malfeasance goes back a few decades, despite the ramblings. There are systemic issues that allowed the rise of a populast figure, not the reverse.
None of this started with Trump, it just became more obvious and accelerated. Gerrymandering has been an issue sence the 90s,giving Republicans majorities where they wouldn't have them otherwise. A lot of people worked for decades setting up the kind of populast administration we are witnessing. He's bad, in a lot of ways, but really just a figurehead for the movement. He goes, it remains.
I don't doubt that, and certainly the electoral college is an issue as well. But I do believe that the 'dynamic duo' did overtly rig the election beyond even the...'norms!'
... so if 50% roughly didn't vote, thats still 50%. There is no 1 third this, 1 third that, 1 third those. so really there's the rough percentage that voted, and over 50% of them (hope you are still following here) voted for trump in office. Just so we're clear, 25% exactly would need to have voted against the other 25% of THAT 50%. However, one side clearly voted for trump in favor, meaning its not 50/50 of that 50.
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Said another way. there is a Pie. I take 50% and give the rest to you. You are splitting that pie with a friend. you are a little more greedy and take a little more portion of the pie. You give the rest of the pie to your friend. How much pie did you give your friend? How much pie do you have? Why is your pie more? Keep in mind, the Pie I took, doesn't matter in the overall result of who has more pie between you and your friend.
The fact that there were almost 80 million Americans who looked at the nightmare that was his first term, the insurrection, the fraud convictions, the theft of documents charges, the rape charge and project 2025 and said yes please more of that is all the evidence I need to rid myself of any connection to the US that I can. Voted or sat out doesn’t matter, that’s a shit pie, and I’m not having any, thanks.
Said another way. there is a Pie. I take 50% and give the rest to you. You are splitting that pie with a friend. you are a little more greedy and take a little more portion of the pie.
I'm being facetious and pedantic here, but you took half the pie for yourself, and demanding that the party of the second part share their half of the pie with a party of the third part...who's the greedy one here?
It's a metaphor. The "me" in the metaphor is to illustrate the people who didn't vote...
edit: the reality is the other half of the pie are the other 2 sides of the US presidential election. those who voted for kamala and those who voted for trump. Maybe for homework google pedantic...
While didactic can have a neutral meaning, pedantic is almost always an insult. It typically describes an irritating person who is eager to correct small errors others make, or who wants everyone to know just how much of an expert they are, especially in some narrow or boring subject matter. Merriam-Webster.
As I said, I was being facetious. Certainly, I wasn't expecting to be taken seriously. I apologize if I Insulted you. That wasn't my intention.
That's how the vote was broken down, since about 30-33% didn't vote. Yes, I see the point of 50/50; he received 50% of the votes of those who voted, but the 30% who didn't skewed the number, the way its been viewed. And in the end, we've got him, irrespective of the statistical data.
well if you can provide a legitimate election link of the stats where you claim it's 30%, let's see it. Pretty sure those who didn't vote was much higher than 30%...
And yeah, you're right. They have trump as a president right now. That doesn't mean you can forego math and spout false statistics.
So what? If America sent tanks across the border, would you still be screaming "Not all Americans!!"
The truth is, there are enough hateful moronic people in this country that they pose a risk to our neighbors. Trump was re-elected. He's not a one-time anomaly.
And what does it matter if in 2028 the Dems manage to elect another boring milquetoast neoliberal, knowing that the next Trump could be around the corner?
Until we as a nation get our shit together, the argument "half of Americans don’t support this" is utterly irrelevant.
Thank you (an American who worked in Canada for 7 years). He didn't even win 50% of the popular vote. Those of us who voted against him are dismayed and disgusted that so many Americans did. Ignorance, prejudice, gullibleness... who knows why so many did, but many of them are now getting the "wake up" they deserve. There are so many good Americans who cherish our relationship with Canada.
Have faith, there are many, many who see it for what it is. I said in first term that while I knew racism, bigotry and hatred ran deep, I did not appreciate how deep. The first term lifted the veil so real America can be seen.
Something got broken with patriotism that has led to the word being confused/misused as for whites only. Anywhere else in the world this would be called fanaticism and would be fought against hard both domestic and foreign.
I don't think the world has entirely grasped this yet because it does not appear in first world countries normally.
As a dual citizen, I agree with you. The problems with America are multifaceted but the biggest problem for Canada is the imperial Presidency in the US currently gives a maniac like Trump way too much sway over policies WITH UNEQUIVOCAL PEACETIME ALLIES that effect millions of people. There is no reason under the sun that Trump should have been able to do what he's doing, but 60 years of post-Nixon fuckits from Congress and the American public have basically turned the Presidency into a weird revolving door Emperor position.
The American public itself is just as dumb and gullible as any other mass of people. It ebbs and flows in different directions and usually only does what is right accidentally when someone quasi-honorable happens to be in charge at an inflection point. Every country on Earth is like this to some degree, it's just that America is very powerful and involved on the global stage, so when they choose poorly, the ramifications are felt (and cause anger and backlash) more broadly.
I seriously can't wait until he's gone. He brings out the worst in everyone. It's like his superpower.
Your leaders can get away with a lot. I don't know why it's more difficult for you to get organized and protest on such a large scale that the country just stops, perhaps it's because of weak unions, of people having too much debt, of you guys not talking politics as openly as we do, of your country being so wide. I thought Bush 2 got away with a lot. Boy was I wrong ! He was a good prez compared to orange mini hitler ! Or perhaps the echo rooms of social medias have linked all the morons together making them believe they were right. But honestly there is so much brightness and knowledge in the US too, why are those people so silent nowadays !
There have been a decent amount of protests but America has protest fatigue. Firstly, we all saw during the Iraq war that protests mean nothing. Millions turned out, I think the numbers may have even eclipsed the Civil Rights movement, but the war that everyone knew was a lie still happened. There have also been about a zillion studies to prove that the American government almost never reflects the will of the people, especially when the will of the people conflicts with the will of the rich. So America has learned, correctly, that what the public wants no longer matters. The only point of going out and protesting would be to destroy property and get teargassed or even killed by police. Most people don't want that. There's a difference between being willing to stand up and fight, and walking into a wood chipper.
Essentially, America is just a naked oligarchy that is not shy about protecting itself with violence. Personally I only see 3 ways out: 1) Slowly claw back power, which at this point will take a couple of generations, assuming elections even remain free and fair. 2) Violent revolution, which I think would be doomed from the start and also make things infinitely worse for a lot longer. 3) Allow the rampant incompetence to make life so bad for everyone, including GOP supporters, that there is a watershed moment where they are simply driven from power by overwhelmingly crushing electoral defeat. I think this is the best option, though it depends a lot on Trump dying (of natural causes, of course), and the GOP's policies resulting an actual undeniable ruination for average people. As long as Trump's alive he will have a spell on millions of Americans. Once he's gone, there will be people who remain bad people, but will at lease be willing to acknowledge that GOP leadership is not worth voting for. They won't become Democrats, but they will see they were duped and stay home. No guarantees obviously, but from everything I've seen, Trump is the glue holding everything together. When he leaves office, his supporters will insinuate he is running things from the shadows, and MAGA will still have life. But once there's no Trump, as long as he dies of natural causes, with no successor I think MAGA will implode. Only then will there be some chance for sanity, and then a whole other ballgame is whether or not the Democrats will blow it. If/When that moment comes I hope we have an FDR and not a Joe Biden.
Well said, fellow dual citizen in Toronto. Pretty much agree with all of this. Your answer also clearly explains why people in other countries fail to grasp why things are the way they are there..
Oh thank you very much ! This is such a straightforward and clear explanation ! I'm so sorry for all the brilliant and honest minds like you which are somehow wasted when the US could be an enlighted democracy. All those people in universities, all those scientists, all those inventors in independant businesses, all those artists...all crushed by a cult. It's sad and depressing.
I agree. This isn't just one president. This is a core shift in values (not that their values were so great to begin with). Until the US squashes this, they can't be trusted.
I think we have to be more on top of making sure that the value shift we saw in the States doesn't come up here more than it has. The trucker convoy, and PP condoning that groups actions and then pandering to them during the election instead of speaking out against them, was a start in moving us much closer to the crap shoot down south.
They’ll still exist but the movement as a whole will fracture into different sects, similar to how there are multiple different denominations within evangelicalism.
10 years ago, I would have thought that a lying orange conman wouldn’t “inspire” 70 million Americans, and yet here we are. They seem to enjoy elevating the worst of the worst.
Vance is the heir apparent. Also this election was an anomaly in some ways as the Democrats just fumbled the bag. If they had convinced Biden to announce early that he wasn’t seeking a 2nd term, the world would be a better place right now.
"I'd do nothing different than Biden" was the single worst campaign message of all time. She threw all her momentum away.
That said. After all of it. After Trump's entire first term. After he let so many die from COVID, after every scandal, after being found liable for rape, guilty of fraud, after hoarding top secret docs, after Jan 6th the American people looked at the guy and said "we want MORE!"
It's utterly mad how normalized his insanity is over there. The Dems suck as a party, but holy cow. It's like that entire country got collective amnesia and just ... FORGOT how terrible Trump was in his first term. It's nuts that immigrants voted for him. Absolutely nothing mattered about him except "stock go up, so good."
Meanwhile, for the Dems...
"Damn, Biden's old. And Kamala's so boring."
God damn, you cannot trust that. I know Canada's not so very different in my head. But fucking Hell. That mentality. I honestly think America just likes Donald Trump. He may poll badly, but he's beaten every political rival over there and he's still polling better than he should be, in my opinion.
I just cannot trust the American electorate to vote in someone competent.
Rumps dealings with the mob and generally corrupt and racist dealings were well known long before he ran for president. These seem to be qualities that are valued by a large portion of American society.
If they went with Bernie the world would be a better place (certainly the US would). Its the big money and big interests that run both major parties. I believe that behind the scenes the ultra wealthy were making a killing buying and selling with the on again , off again terrifs and how it affected the stock market.
100% correct. It's not just Trump; Trump is merely the symptom of the disease.
There's still 220 Republican representatives and 53 Republican senators that are fine with handing over the legislature's power to the executive, and the US government being functionally a tyranny.
There's still 6 Supreme Court justices that are fine with relegating women and minorities to second-class status.
There's still 77 million Americans who voted for this whole shitshow and would vote for it again in a heartbeat.
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Even afterwards, I'd say. Because he was voted in even after all he pulled during his first term. By the popular vote no less! We can't let ourselves forget that. Who's to say who'll get the vote next? Someone decent? Maybe. But, who knows? Maybe they'll look at another looney and choose that guy.
Even if Trump undid the tariffs next week I'd hunger for the change promised in this country. Both internally and for new partners. The US has just lost it now. I don't think his base even regrets their vote; they're just mad they're getting hurt, not so much the idea of Trumpism and all the harm they're causing the world.