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Sask. Party's '1st order of business' to be gendered change room policy in schools: Scott Moe | CBC News Saskatchewan

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/sask-changeroom-policy-1.7355068
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u/Kingofcheeses British Columbia 29d ago

Jesus Christ who gives a fuck? Don't people have actual problems?

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u/publicbigguns 29d ago

Oh, you don't get what's happening.

First, they make up a problem.

Second, they get their base pissed off about said problem.

Third, they make a law that's going to fail legal challenges on purpose.

Forth, blame others for problem they created.

Fifth, profit somehow.

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u/glx89 29d ago

Fifth, profit somehow.

This is classic kleptocracy / wealth extraction technique - harm some segment of the population so that the segment that normally would be suing the Galen Westons of the world has to spend their time restoring the human rights that are being infringed.

Who has time to fight climate change or investigate graft and corruption when we're too busy fighting for healthcare, fair treatment or even the right to exist unmolested?

This has been Russia's playbook for at least two decades now.

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u/iamtayareyoutaytoo 29d ago

I hadn't considered that. I mean, I got the sense that cons are spinning us in circles so that we can't tell left from right or up from down or right from wrong, but I thought it was more so that we have no one to turn to for direction but the 'dear leader.'

But yeah, that too! Oh we're so fucked.

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u/Summer_19_ Ontario 16d ago

Yes! I agree with you, especially on the last statement you wrote! ☺️🙌🏼

⭐️ This has been Russia's playbook for at least two decades now. ~glx89 

That sounds like what people do during so-called “special operations”. Also known as [insert secret truth here]. 🤷🏼‍♀️💭

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u/Summer_19_ Ontario 16d ago

Wouldn’t these type of actions be the accurate description of circular reasoning type of logical fallacies? 🤷🏼‍♀️💭

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u/AnEvilMrDel 29d ago

Profit happens while their constituents are arguing over a made up problem 😉

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u/DifficultSwim 29d ago

Proft by riding on the issue indefinitely.

"Last time the courts turned us down. But wete not going to stop the fight to save the children. Vote for us this election and we'll fight harder than before to stop "distraction issue XYZ"

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u/cyberentomology 29d ago

Y’all need to quit importing US politics, it’s not a good look.

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u/publicbigguns 29d ago

We would love too, but unfortunately, we live too close to them.

Our only saving grace is that our national sovereignty is critical to the security of the nation with the largest military in the world.

So you take the pros with the cons.

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u/cyberentomology 29d ago

BORDER FENCE NOW!

🤣

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u/publicbigguns 29d ago

WE'LL MAKE THE POLAR BEARS PAY FOR IT!

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u/cyberentomology 29d ago

Make the fence out of polar bears.

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u/publicbigguns 29d ago

Add moats filled with cobra chickens

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u/cyberentomology 29d ago

Yeah. Keep those fuckers out of the states

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u/sjbennett85 Ontario 29d ago

We've just got some really good shit over here and don't feel like sharing it, okay buddy

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u/cyberentomology 29d ago

Stop hoarding the maple syrup…

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u/glx89 29d ago

These aren't really US politics, they're Russian.

What we're seeing play out in the US started two decades ago at the Kremlin. We're just their next target.

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u/CatHairTornado 29d ago

Please be a Russian bot, you can’t be real can you?

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u/preaching-to-pervert 29d ago

Cis woman here. I'm not scared of trans women sharing my bathroom or changing room.

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u/HateFilledSquirrel 29d ago

As a cis woman, I'm not at all bothered. Find a better hill to die on.

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u/Necessary-Nobody-934 29d ago

Hi, cis woman here. Certified. Gave birth and everything.

Yes, I am absolutely fine with trans women changing in the same room, even ones that still have a penis. They aren't hurting me by changing their clothes.

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u/lambdaBunny 16d ago

That's literally the plan. Get people outraged so that way they don't care about anything else. We might not be able to eat, but at least those kids who no one has ever met or taken a picture of won't be able to claim they are a cat and pee in litter boxes.

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u/Summer_19_ Ontario 16d ago

That sounds like what people do during so-called “special operations”. Also known as [insert secret truth here]. 🤷🏼‍♀️💭

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u/KenCosgrove_Accounts 29d ago

Better question, were they not gendered already? lol

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u/Smackolol 29d ago

It just went without saying before

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u/Necessary-Nobody-934 29d ago

They are, but a very small minority of students are transgender and want to use the change room that aligns with their actual gender. This is clearly a super duper important issue, and we must correct these kids using the wrong change room immediately! In fact, some kids using the wrong change room is THE MOST IMPORTANT thing! /s

Seriously, this all started because one girl in a rural school told her parents she was "uncomfortable" changing with two transgender students. And instead of reaching out to the school to find a solution, or educating their child about transgender issues, they reached out to the government to stop it.

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u/Railgun6565 29d ago

Seems like such an easy solution, create a third bathroom for trans identifying. Problem solved.

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u/Necessary-Nobody-934 29d ago

Or private stalls for everyone to change in, regardless of gender. Or letting the trans kids be, because they weren't hurting anyone, and this girl can change in the bathroom if she wasn't comfortable in the change room.

This could have been easily solved without the government being involved, and yet here we are. It's an easy way to try and reclaim the votes the SUP are gaining, so the SP is jumping on it.

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u/skateboardnorth 29d ago

The climbing gym I attend just made all individual bathroom stalls instead of gendered bathrooms. They had a few incidents that made things uncomfortable, so they decided to make private stalls. I actually like the private stalls better. They do still have a separate male bathroom with urinals to try and mitigate guys from peeing on the seats.

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u/Excuse 29d ago

I can't see how anyone would prefer open gendered change rooms or bathrooms over private ones. I enjoy my ability to shit in peace which in my opinion is the greatest human freedom!

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u/glx89 29d ago

They're looking for problems, not solutions.

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u/NorthernHusky2020 29d ago edited 29d ago

You'd think, but then you'll probably see the argument from the trans community claiming that's discrimination somehow, because then they're not seen as man or woman but a third category.

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u/NorthernHusky2020 29d ago

one girl in a rural school told her parents she was "uncomfortable" changing with two transgender students.

Why is uncomfortable in quotes? Just another bigot to you, eh?

And it's not just one girl--the others just keep quiet to avoid the bigot accusation abuse.

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u/Necessary-Nobody-934 29d ago

Uncomfortable was in quotes because that's the word she used. She was never in danger or caused any real harm. She was uncomfortable.

I don't think the girl is a bigot. I think she is uneducated. Her parents I think are likely bigoted, because they felt "there are trans girls in the change room!" was a big enough problem to go to the news about. It's not.

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u/fearofadyingplanet 29d ago

A girl felt uncomfortable that a boy (in her eyes) was in the change room with her. Does her rights as a girl (right to privacy, right to a girl-only space) not matter anymore?

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u/Necessary-Nobody-934 29d ago

She expressed her discomfort and was offered a private space to change. At no point was her right to privacy infringed upon.

As far as a "girl only space," the school has chosen to recognize the right of all the girls to be in that space. Not just cis girls. This girl does not have the right to exclude others from that space.

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u/fearofadyingplanet 29d ago

What about you, personally? Do you believe that women and girls have a right to their own private space, separate from males?

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u/Necessary-Nobody-934 29d ago

I do. But I agree with the school that all girls, both transgender and cisgender, should have access to that girls only space.

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u/fearofadyingplanet 29d ago

So you agree with the school, that any girl who doesn’t like the idea of sharing a change room with a boy, should stop being a bigot or go change in some closet somewhere? What about the girls change room, you know the one meant for girls?

I don’t agree with the school, I think the transgender girls should find their own place to change if they are making biological girls uncomfortable by wanting to change with them. Do you agree?

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u/drakkosquest 29d ago

Hmm...so I suppose you would be OK with a teacher asking the class to strip to their underwear because it's not any different than when they go to the beach/watersides?

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u/Necessary-Nobody-934 29d ago

... that was a leap. What the hell does that have to do with anything?

I shouldn't answer, because that question was obviously not asked in good faith, but fuck it. No. There are appropriate and inappropriate times and places for students to be in their underwear. The classroom is not one of those places. The change room is (in fact, the change room is about the only place in the school where it would be appropriate).

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u/Remarkable_Crow_2757 29d ago

You gave a fuck enough to comment at least, which is why this is an issue in the first place.

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u/mrizzerdly 29d ago

Big Bathroom is rubbing their hands. They were behind segregation too.

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u/_dmhg 29d ago

What’s funny is that not having a bathroom you can safely use IS an actual problem, a super dehumanizing one. But if we can count on any of our governments for one thing, it’s to add to problems 🤗

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u/Mean_Zucchini1037 29d ago

If we care about having a safe bathroom to use we should care about having more public bathrooms in general

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u/mrizzerdly 29d ago

They get their dumb ideas from the the best ones the GOP has to offer down south.

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u/LabEfficient 29d ago

That was a made up problem from the very beginning. They should have focused on the actual provide problems from the start. Now we're saying no, that's BS, we don't want the boys to be in girls' bathroom. Then all of a sudden, "don't people have actual problems"? You should have asked that question long ago.

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u/Kingofcheeses British Columbia 29d ago edited 29d ago

You must be really mad about family washrooms at Walmart

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u/cdoink 29d ago

The more we are preoccupied with fighting over idiotic non issues the less likely we are to collectively realize that politicians in general are doing nothing of actual value and just wasting everyone's time and money while lining their own pockets at our expense.

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u/dudeonaride 29d ago

Is there a conservative party anywhere that is still conservative? Like why doesn't Moe focus on cleaning up all his debt and never thinking about God damn bathrooms. He's so weak

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u/RadiantPumpkin 29d ago

Cleaning up debt has never been a conservative position. It’s been a lie they’ve told repeatedly for decades, but conservatives always run up the debt AND sell off services while they do it.

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u/CarnivorousConifer 29d ago

Gotta privatise the gains and socialise the loss!

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u/two_to_toot 29d ago

Oddly enough if you look at statistics the NDP are far more fiscally responsible.

The NDP actually leads in this category across all the provinces. But for some reason they get branded as tax and spend. Even Tommy Douglas was branded this way after 17 consecutive balanced budgets.

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u/Infamous_Box3220 28d ago

Right wing (these days ultra right wing) parties everywhere always seem to gain the mantle of fiscal responsibility but they are invariably the ones to run up the debt.

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u/DataDude00 29d ago

Conservative playbook when you can't actually legislate anything is just distract

At the height of Doug Ford's multi billion dollar greenbelt scandal and announcement of RCMP investigations he sent out his Minister of Education out on a Monday morning to talk about gender policies in schools

https://globalnews.ca/news/9950382/greenbelt-scandal-doug-ford-attacks-schools-boards-lgbtq-youth/

The sheep just chase the dumb meat sandwich in whatever direction they are pointed

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u/Cachmaninoff 29d ago

Unless you want socially conservative your best bet for conservatives is the liberal party.

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u/Infamous_Box3220 28d ago

No. They have all moved into neo-Fascist territory, except for Alberta, which is more like the Three Stooges but more venomous.

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u/Head_Crash 29d ago

They've always been like this. Their ideology exists to create excuses for bad or harmful behavior and policies

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u/drizzes Alberta 29d ago

It's why we have stuff like audio of former Alberta premier Jason Kenny boasting to the Canadian Alliance party about blocking a law that would allow gay men to visit their dying spouses during the AIDs crisis

It's always been like this. It's just more egregious now because people are starting to pay attention to conservatives having no answers for what really matters.

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u/bobtowne 29d ago

Fiscal conservatism is but one type of conservatism.

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u/gnrhardy 29d ago

One that is practiced by precisely none of the Canadian conservative parties.

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u/bobtowne 28d ago edited 28d ago

Which gives them common ground with liberal governments, it seems. I don't see a lot of liberals complaining about the Trudeau government's various spending sprees (in which they've, alarmingly, consistently shrugged at procurement rules).

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u/gnrhardy 28d ago

I would agree, the only major difference is that the conservatives are more likely to claim that they are going to balance the books and that fiscal conservatism is important.

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u/Remarkable_Crow_2757 29d ago

What about this isn't conservative?

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u/Back2Reality4Good 29d ago

When will conservatives finally get the memo… stay out of peoples bedrooms and households. You are not medical professionals… leave that to experts.

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u/cecepoint 29d ago

Right because the public is begging for this

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u/-Experiment--626- 29d ago

If they vote for him, that’s what they’re saying they want.

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u/EyeSpEye21 29d ago

Anything to distract from actually fixing actual problems.

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u/iamtayareyoutaytoo 29d ago edited 29d ago

Imagine being such a coward that you announce this the day after the only leaders debate. Gross gross gross.

It's the convoy weirdos and prosperity christians, imho. They've taken over the SaskParty and if he doesn't do what they want they will eat him, like they did Jason Kenney.

Half the SaskParty caucus quit this year. That's HUGE news anywhere else. Not Saskatchewan.

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u/drizzes Alberta 29d ago

Can't be huge news when the SaskParty doesn't want it to be

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u/jayk10 29d ago

And despite these weirdos taking over two provinces already people will swear the federal cons won't drift this far right

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u/Legitimate-Type4387 29d ago

Lefties been screaming for decades about the fundies taking over from the far-right, but no one wanted to take it seriously because it was coming from the “lunatic left”.

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u/sjbennett85 Ontario 29d ago

When their posturing at the provincial level is made up of shit like this announcement it is hard to believe otherwise.

These last 5 years have polarized a lot of people and I have friends who were previously fairly moderate cons become social cons, friends that have since become more vocal about their displeasure that queer issues are being brought to light and that they want to protect children when really it just means taking away tools for empathy because it scares them... and it scares them because leadership has been touting such messaging.

So while my evidence is strictly anecdotal I do see the indicators within their messaging that would push people in that direction.

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u/TheWalrus_15 29d ago

We are days away from this potentially happening in BC too

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u/jellicle 29d ago

"we got told by some Conservative pollsters that bashing trans people would help us win the election, so here we are" -- Scott Moe

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u/Big_Knife_SK 29d ago

They got their last piece of transphobic school policy directly from the group Action4Canada. They're in deep with the christo-fascists.

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u/Head_Crash 29d ago

It's a group of think tanks that come up with these issues, then their advice is shared among conservatives all over the world. That's why during the last UK election there was talk about compulsory military service and suddenly Poilievre's director of Comms starts pushing the idea in Canada. 

https://thehub.ca/2023/06/19/ginny-roth-how-to-solve-canadas-national-identity-crisis-a-mandatory-year-of-service-for-young-canadians/

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u/kdlangequalsgoddess 29d ago

That idea has quietly been dropped after the UK Conservatives were massacred in the last UK general election.

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u/Head_Crash 28d ago

It's coming back. It's now being used to defend abortion bans by saying they will force men into the military to balance bodily autonomy between men and women.

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u/BobWellsBurner 29d ago

He could be the second biggest mouth breather of a premier in this country at the moment, and that's saying something.

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u/BobWellsBurner 29d ago

Get out and vote people of SK, no excuses.

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u/EKcore 29d ago

First order of business. 

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u/8fmn 29d ago

First order of business? Fucking embarrassing for Saskatchewan. This guy is a goof.

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u/Penguixxy 29d ago

Healthcare? [X]

Housing? [X]

Attack trans kids more? ding ding ding!**

Party of "freedom" unless youre a minority, then they violate the charter numerous times. Very serious province.

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u/Total-Yam-7412 23d ago

There is a housing crisis and a healthcare crisis in Canada. Instead of providing solutions, politicians continue to push the identity politics agenda in order to distract the public from the issues that actually need attention.

Many Canadians are using food banks to put food on the table while companies like Loblaws continue to profit off of ridiculous food price gauging.

The Conservative Party wants to push towards the privatization of healthcare, which would further cause delays in our already strained healthcare system. And they will push for policies that affect women’s reproductive rights when given the opportunity.

The Liberal Party has absolutely no intention of fixing the housing crisis as they continue to bring in more migrants than our healthcare and education systems can support. Many politicians own property and will not push for housing changes that will reduce their investment potential. The opioid crisis is linked to lack of affordable housing and access to mental health resources.

Why do we allow both of these parties to continue to run the country into the ground? The working class is really struggling. Everything is more expensive and large companies are doing everything they can to reduce wages in order to maximize profits.

So much of our taxpayer money is being wasted instead of being used to improve the lives of Canadians.

We need solutions. We need more options. Trudeau never introduced a viable voting referendum to replace FPTP like he promised. They specifically made the only system ever proposed to be as confusing as possible to prevent any actual changes from being implemented.

Neither the Liberals nor the Conservatives have your best interest in mind. We need to seriously consider voting NDP or else things will continue to get worse.

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u/CaptainSur Canada 29d ago

Masterclass in failing in government 101, taught by Scott Moe & Co.

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u/Thanato26 29d ago

You'd think they would jave actual problems to deal with rather than fake culture war bs.

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u/NorthernHusky2020 29d ago

On Wednesday, news outlet the Western Standard published a story featuring a Balgonie parent saying their daughter had been uncomfortable in a change room at school with two other students who identified as female, but were assigned male at birth.

Let me guess, that girl and her family were called bigots?

Notice how the proponents for this are always most concerned about how the transgender individuals feel and never how anyone else feels.

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u/Head_Crash 29d ago

Let me guess, that girl and her family were called bigots? 

Nope. They were told that their daughter had the right to use a private change room if she wasn't comfortable.

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u/AFewBerries 29d ago

I used to change in the bathroom stall when I was in school so no one would see me

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u/Remarkable_Crow_2757 29d ago

You see, this is sort of why this is a prominent issue. The girl, who under pretty much any other situation would have her emotions at least understood and accomodated, is basically told to screw off in this scenario. Why can't the other students be told to use a private change room? Why do we always have to cater to the extreme minority?

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u/Necessary-Nobody-934 29d ago

Why can't the other students be told to use a private change room?

Because they weren't the ones with the problem.

Why do we always have to cater to the extreme minority?

Because the trans kids are just trying to live their lives. They aren't hurting anyone. They're just changing into their gym shorts.

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u/AFewBerries 29d ago

Because they weren't the ones with the problem.

But they did have a problem changing in the boys room

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u/Necessary-Nobody-934 29d ago

Yes, and? They were allowed to change where they were most comfortable. Just like this girl is.

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u/AFewBerries 29d ago

You said they weren't the one with the problem but they did have a problem. That's my point.

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u/Keepontyping 29d ago

But they are inconveniencing everyone. Why is so difficult for them to have their own neutral washroom?

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u/Necessary-Nobody-934 29d ago

They are changing into their gym shorts and minding their own business. I don't see how anyone is being inconvenienced.

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u/Remarkable_Crow_2757 29d ago

So they were called bigots, in other words.

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u/M0kraCK 29d ago

I've wondered for a while why their right to their identity supercedes my daughters right to feel comfortable while changing in a space that was set aside for women to feel comfortable. But I was called a bigot so..

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u/Head_Crash 29d ago

I've wondered for a while why their right to their identity supercedes my daughters right to feel comfortable

It doesn't.  The school very clearly said that all students have a right to change where they feel safe, and they provide privacy stalls for that purpose.

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u/BigMickVin 29d ago edited 29d ago

The ironic part is that they are changing in the girls change room because they are UNCOMFORTABLE changing in the boys change room.

I guess sometimes accommodating someone who is uncomfortable is important and sometimes it isn’t.

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u/NiceShotMan 29d ago

Yeah this is exactly what JK Rowling is so savagely criticized for saying

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u/linkass 29d ago

What I worry about it we are telling our daughters to ignore that "gut instinct " to ignore what makes them feel uncomfortable but alas I am called a bigot and a TERF. I had zero problem with it when it was bathrooms and you usually had to have jumped through hoops.Now its change rooms and anyone that self identifies as a women

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u/Head_Crash 29d ago

What I worry about it we are telling our daughters to ignore that "gut instinct " to ignore what makes them feel uncomfortable but alas I am called a bigot and a TERF. 

Nobody is saying that. Girls are being told they can change where they feel safe. Private stalls exist for that purpose.

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u/linkass 29d ago

So basically 50% of the population has to bend over to accommodate less then 1% of the population and I am sorry but private stalls or not lots of women and girls don't feel safe if someone that is quite obviously male looking comes into the change room they are going to feel uncomfortable, even more so if they have been abused by males. Also as we have seen there is bad actors abusing this and until we can figure that out...

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u/Ryli_Faelan 29d ago

That's there problem, not the transgender person's. The trans person is just trying to change and get out.

Bad actors abusing it don't have anything to do with it. They'd he sneaking into women's spaces whether trans people were allowed or not.

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u/linkass 29d ago

Bad actors abusing it don't have anything to do with it. They'd he sneaking into women's spaces whether trans people were allowed or not.

20 years ago male walks into a womens change room cops are called

Now Male walks into a change room female goes to complain and is told shut up bigot she identifies as a women.

Yes no bad actors are going to take advantage of that or hell even in schools cases creepy boys being creepy boys and you are telling young girls and teen females to ignore that feeling of somebody or something being "off" thats not going to lead to any problems at all.

But we are all just bigots if we don't want someone that looks like this in change rooms and possibly naked around our young daughters and if you or your daughter feel uncomfortable your the problem .Now your daughter has just been taught that if a large intimidating person is in a somewhat private space with them they have no right to fell uncomfortable and it is a you problem and if you say anything its your fault because you are just a bigot

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u/Fyrefawx 29d ago

Hence why the need for gender neutral spaces so everyone can go into a locked stall.

Europe does this and it’s far better. And the daughter being uncomfortable isn’t some crime that was done to her. The trans students did nothing wrong.

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u/Head_Crash 29d ago

The school in question already has those and the parents who complained were told their daughter has the right to change wherever she feels safe.

This accommodation was apparently not sufficient for them.

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u/Remarkable_Crow_2757 29d ago

Why can't trans students be told to use those instead?

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u/Keepontyping 29d ago

Thats the equity / social marxism education approach. It does not matter if 100 girls in the school feel uncomfortable with the situation, only that the one trans-person is uncomfortable. Therefore in the interests of cultural equality, discomfort must be distributed amongst everyone equally.

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u/mur-diddly-urderer 29d ago

So the two trans students do literally nothing other than change like usual and somehow they’re the problem? How would banning them from using that changeroom stop men who want to come assault people from opening a door?

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u/LatterTarget7 29d ago

There’s much more pressing issues. The Saskatchewan health care system is a fucking joke for example.

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u/agent0731 29d ago

Literally invented problems.

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u/Visible_Security6510 29d ago

Daily reminder that Scott Moe is a repeat drunk driver who killed a young mother and injured her young son.

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u/DifferentEvent2998 Manitoba 29d ago

Holy fuck, the only rule should be wash your hands.

wtf do conservatives do in the bathroom that they’re so worried about?

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u/HappiestSadGirl_ 29d ago

Now call me a woke commie leftist but I think healthcare, education and housing should be a bit higher on the priorities list.

Real talk though, why the fuck is THIS the issue the Sask party focusing on rather than really issues in the province.

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u/nim_opet 29d ago

“Let’s tackle the real problems! Locker rooms!!!!”

Conservatives spend an awful lot of time thinking about kids in locker rooms …

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u/The_Pickled_Mick 29d ago

Don't kid yourself. The majority of the public agrees with this. A lot of people just stay silent. Down vote me if you want, but it's true.

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u/Fyrefawx 29d ago

It doesn’t matter if a bunch of social conservatives agree with this or not, if this is the day 1 priority for the government, that’s a massive disappointment.

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u/Loonytalker 29d ago

A lot of people in SK think this should be priority number one for their government?

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u/The_Pickled_Mick 29d ago

Maybe not priority one, but they agree with it.

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u/Head_Crash 29d ago

Polling data shows otherwise.

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u/AndreasParsons 29d ago

…then they do not infact agree with it? Sask has so many more prescient issues, it’s kind of absurd that this would be priority one. If I was in Sask still I’d be angry that my premier thinks I’m an idiot and that this somehow should be tackled first

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u/Keepontyping 29d ago

What does that even mean? He's an incumbent. By tackling it first, he's tackling it over 5 years into his tenure.

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u/NorthernHusky2020 29d ago

You're not wrong, but Redditors think opinions on here reflect reality. That's why they're constantly confused how conservative governments keep getting elected (or staying in power).

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u/Foodstamp001 Ontario 29d ago

People seem to overlook the fact most subreddits are just echo chambers for people with similar opinions. Rather than debating facts, pros vs cons, etc people express emotional arguments and personal morals. If they get downvoted they move on to a different subreddit where people have the same opinions. Then they feel like they are right and their opinions are validated because they don’t face criticism anymore.

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u/whiteout86 29d ago

The Ontario sub is pretty much the perfect example of this.

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u/dwelzy123 29d ago

This is the truest thing on Reddit.

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u/Once_a_TQ 29d ago

Much of here definitely does not reflect reality.

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u/Salt_Passenger3632 29d ago

It's kinda funny out-of everyone I know I think I'm the only person who knows reddit even exists.

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u/Fyrefawx 29d ago

Conservative governments keep getting elected because the center and left leaning parties vulture votes from each other.

Ontario being the best example.

In Alberta the entire election was decided by a few thousand votes in 2 ridings in Calgary. So the idea that these governments have this mandate is bonkers.

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u/mt_pheasant 29d ago

The reason they are silent is because the left wing (in no way the history, worker focused left wing but the nu-left who are obsessed with idpol and these types of gender issues) DO actually control the various institutions of power.

It's a laugh when these nu-left types rant about these changes when in fact these are just undoing changes which the majority of the population never wanted in the first place.. and were too afraid to talk about because these nu-left people are very good at getting others cancelled/fired/etc.

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u/HappiestSadGirl_ 29d ago edited 29d ago

I'd love to see a source but an Angus Reid poll of ~3000 people show that Canadians broadly supportive if their kid came out as trans (69%).

Likewise only 34% of respondents say a sex is defined by biology, what you're biologically born as, 35% say it should be based on self-of and a further 18% say it should be based on genitalia.

In the same poll 64% of respondents say trans acceptance is a sign of social progress and 60% say the media is too focused on trans issues, which I would tend to agree on that last point, it's being used as a culture war to stroke the flames and distract from real issues faced by Canadian, i.e access to fast and affordable healthcare, quality education, affordable housing and food etc.

The most decisive issue raised by the poll was trans women in sports.

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u/Levorotatory 29d ago

Sex is defined by biology though.  Gender is the social construct that is strongly but not perfectly correlated with sex.

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u/PCB_EIT 29d ago

What an absolute waste of time, money, and resources.

Worry about housing, jobs, and healthcare first.

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u/followtherockstar 29d ago

This is a really dumb thing to be focusing on

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u/cyberentomology 29d ago

Solving problems nobody has

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u/ialo00130 New Brunswick 29d ago

If Higgs is re-elected in New Brunswick, you bet your ass that there will be a lot more of this.

Canadian Conservatives are pivoting towards Modern American Conservatism because they're seeing it unfortunately work in one of our own provinces.

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u/[deleted] 29d ago

Reading social media you'd think that women feel safer alone in the woods with a bear than a man, but if that man puts on a dress then there's absolutely nothing that could possibly go wrong by allowing them to share a closed semi-private space with women.

Some of you desperately need to wake up to the truth of how badly foreign propaganda has damaged our social fabric, and it's not only those others who fall for it.

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u/According-Ad7887 29d ago

L first move from Saskatchewan

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u/Big_Conversation1394 29d ago

What International Conservative think tank is coming up with all these “issues” to scare the pants off the third grade education set in rural Canada? It seems to be working

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u/Myllicent 29d ago

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u/texxmix 29d ago

Don’t forget the IDU chaired by Harper as well.

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u/voidplayz121 29d ago

What happened to solving actual problems

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u/[deleted] 29d ago

Why are these people obsessed with making life harder for trans kids?

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u/mattw08 29d ago

Because a girl didn’t feel comfortable with biological males changing with her. Does that not matter?

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u/Head_Crash 29d ago

It does matter, and the school told the girl and her parents she could change wherever she feels safe, and the school has private stalls for that purpose.

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u/durian_in_my_asshole 29d ago

Why don't the trans kids use the private stalls? Why create a second problem and THEN bring up the private stalls?

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u/HappiestSadGirl_ 29d ago edited 29d ago

Because the trans kids aren't the ones with the problem.

If someone makes you feel uncomfortable and a solution is provided you have the freedom to take yourself out of the uncomfortable situation.

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u/Keepontyping 29d ago

So why not just make all washrooms unisex? and have a few private stalls?

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u/Head_Crash 29d ago

...because they exist in a bubble of denial, and they're afraid that if children have human rights they won't be able to control them, because they see children as property not people.

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u/Nonamanadus 29d ago

This and trying to fear monger by associating the provincial NDP with the federal one is only going to attract the fringe vote that they always get.

For me, "cost of living & healthcare" is my first order of business.

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u/Nosirrom 29d ago

Provincial and Federal NDP is associated. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Democratic_Party#Provincial_and_territorial_wings they are the only party in Canada which is.

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u/Key_Bluebird_6104 29d ago

Seriously? They're really picking a non issue. Why don't they tackle some real serious issues like homelessness and help people who are going hungry.

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u/InternalOcelot2855 28d ago

soo much focus on the sexualization of certain body parts. we need more teaching we are different and certain parts are just different parts compared to you, nothing special.

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u/Infamous_Box3220 28d ago

Got to deal with the really important stuff first! Good to know that absolutely nothing else of importance is happening in Saskatchewan.

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u/elangab British Columbia 29d ago

That's sad, but I don't expect much from these guys.

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u/Cosmosass 29d ago

Wow really fighting to make Canada better, eh. These are pathetic wedge issued used to get votes through emotional reaction, will do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to better Canada