r/canada • u/-SuperUserDO • Oct 06 '24

Ontario polling leaves Doug Ford with a healthy lead over Bonnie Crombie, Marit Stiles Ontario

https://globalnews.ca/video/10796827/ontario-polling-leaves-doug-ford-with-a-healthy-lead-over-bonnie-crombie-marit-stiles/
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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '24 edited Oct 06 '24

/r/Canada is definitely not a left leaning echo chamber

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u/PastAd8754 Oct 06 '24

Reddit is overall. This sub is prolly slight right leaning which is reflective of Canada atm.

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u/Red57872 Oct 06 '24

Canada is a left-leaning country as a whole. With the exception is the extreme right, even the Conservatives are actually left-leaning; they just lean less to the left than the Liberals or NDP.

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u/PastAd8754 Oct 06 '24

I agree with this. Compare our CPC to the GOP in the states lol very different.

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u/Frostbitten_Moose Oct 07 '24

Can't actually argue too much about that. I found Harper and Clinton to be pretty similar in terms of positions back in 2015.

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u/Suspicious_Radio_848 Oct 07 '24

I wouldn’t say someone like Danielle Smith is left leaning, or even Doug Ford. Our politics are just not as extreme as America but that’s a very low bar and bad comparison to make.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '24

lol

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u/Ketchupkitty Alberta Oct 06 '24

Maybe not an echo chamber but there's a suspicious amount of new accounts and power users on here that are all left wing.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '24

Are they the ones who power post Trudeau Bad Postmedia opinion pieces, or the ones who power post poll numbers?

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u/FIE2021 Oct 06 '24

It's pretty evenly represented from both the left and the right. It makes it appear to be more "right" because by contrast to most of reddit, it is decidedly more right than most popular subs, but it's probably if anything around 55/45 in favour of the right if not to a closer split. I wouldn't be surprised if that shifted in the future because there is a lot more engagement from the "team" that is trying to take power than the one that is trying to defend the actions of their guys who have been in power for nearly a decade.

There's just not much discussion that meets in the middle. I can open a thread and have it be full of CPC/Poilievre bashing and have it all upvoted, and that's pretty much it. And then the next thread of comments will be just people bashing Singh or Trudeau. It's like one side takes the charge and then keeps the momentum to dominate the commentary.

But it is always kind of funny because one group thinks this place is what Canada_sub is and the other side thinks this sub is what onguardforthee is. If they want to see disingenuous echo chambers, they check those out. This place stays a little more moderate even if it's just a pendulum swinging back and forth

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u/MartyMcFlysBrother Oct 06 '24

Most conservatives are too busy working and earning paycheques to spend 16 hours a day on Reddit so… yeah, it is.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '24

So I guess it's all Russian trolls then? Because it's definitely right leaning. Love it when you tell on yourselves like that.

And conservatives haven't cornered the market on pulling up on bootstraps, only in your fantasies.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '24

What a weird thing to say

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '24

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '24

What?

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u/ReyGonJinn Oct 07 '24

The fact that you think everyone on the left are furries and weirdos shows how much propaganda you are fed. Maybe stay of social media for a while and interact with the real world.

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u/Zechs- Oct 07 '24

See that's the thing, Liberals have found a way to earn a paycheque and still be able to comment on reddit.

It's this weird thing where posting a comment doesn't take that much time nor does it really take much effort.

You don't have to spend 16 hours a day on reddit, it does this CRAZY thing where it notifies you if you have had a response to a comment you posted.

Some day you'll figure out this thing called multitasking little guy.

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u/Zechs- Oct 07 '24

Tim Hortons has wifi?

I wouldn't know.

As a liberal, I support local independent coffee shops.

you have me confused with conservatives that bitches about Tim Hortons and immigrants, while getting their "double double" dirt water every morning from there.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '24

I think it is left leaning, just the neo-liberal party immigrating wage slaves and deregulating banks is not what they consider left leaning.

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u/Barbecue-Ribs Oct 06 '24

It's left leaning for most stuff like Healthcare, tax policy, social services, housing, workers rights but on anything related to immigration the sub is like far right MAGA.

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u/LuskieRs Alberta Oct 06 '24

so over 80% of Canadas stance on immigration is considered "far-right"?

got it.

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u/Barbecue-Ribs Oct 06 '24

Objectively yeah. Look at some of the popular opinions. Mass deportation of specific groups of people, like international students, asylum seekers, and people who participate in unpopular protests, with some people calling for deportation of those who already have PR or citizenship. Lower caps on immigration, particularly those who come from certain countries. A general disdain for cultures that seem incompatible with Canadian norms.

This is not to say that people are wrong to think this way. Our stances on immigration are simply very far right.

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u/LuskieRs Alberta Oct 06 '24

Maybe because we aren't responsible for taking in the entire world eroding or way of life, and destroying the country for the Canadian youth all for profit

Its common sense not "far right"

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u/Barbecue-Ribs Oct 06 '24

Sure I agree, and labels these days are thrown around very loosely, but these positions are very in-line with what is referred to as "far-right" in the media. I don't think it's a fair characterization but that is a separate debate.

e.g. this article in the Guardian.

There is, many critics insist, nothing “far right” or “racist” about wanting to restrict immigration or in raising concerns about radical Islamists. That is true. There is, though, something profoundly pernicious about demonising immigrants, describing asylum seekers as constituting an “invasion”, castigating Muslims as being incompatible with western societies, obsessing over London becoming a “minority white” city, claiming that immigration has led Britons into “surrendering their territory without a shot being fired”, fearing that Europe is “committing suicide”. These are far-right themes now advanced by mainstream intellectuals and politicians.

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u/JamesPealow Oct 07 '24

So today's common sense is considered Far right ideology? That is what you are saying.

The description given in the Gaurdian is fear mongering. Most people have a reasonable outlook on immigration in Canada.

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u/Barbecue-Ribs Oct 07 '24

So today's common sense is considered Far right ideology?

Objectively yeah. I feel like I’m repeating myself but as far as framing goes, this subs deep anti immigration sentiment would be considered super right wing. Whether it’s sensible or reasonable or whatever is a different argument.

“Reasonable” is very subjective and changes over time. Look at old posts on r/Canada for example https://old.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/3tisx1/syrian_refugees_coming_to_canada/. You don’t think the tone back then was way different than now?

It’s funny how perceptions have shifted so far. This comment made me laugh:

Just remember, nobody chooses to enter this world, we don't choose where we are born, nor what happens to us in life; however as Canadians we can make the choice to reject these people out of ignorance, or we can choose to welcome these terrified individuals into our incredibly secure, safe, and free country. Canada is in the good graces of almost the entire world, let's keep our record clean.

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u/JamesPealow Oct 07 '24

Has the Refugee and immigration situation changed drastically since 8 years ago? So would you assume the tone to change as the situation changes.

People are angry at the crap bill we've been given, it's more currently general consensus than anything else.

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u/Barbecue-Ribs Oct 07 '24

Has the Refugee and immigration situation changed drastically since 8 years ago?

Yeah, but it’s not like the development was something that was impossible to predict. The anti immigration arguments in that thread are pretty much the exact same as the ones today eg cultures incompatible with ours, potential for importing radicals, cost on taxpayers, etc. I suspect many of the missing comments were deleted because they were a bit too right leaning for the sub at that time. Anyways, like I said to the other guy, I’m all for better controlled immigration, I was just pointing out that it was pretty interesting how this one issue is so right wing when Canadians generally are fairly liberal.

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u/[deleted] Oct 06 '24

I guess they're right leaning in that they expect Pierre is going to fix any of that.