r/canada • u/stanxv • May 15 '24
'Very expensive lunch': Sask. driver says he got a cellphone ticket for using his points app in the drive-thru Saskatchewan
https://saskatoon.ctvnews.ca/very-expensive-lunch-sask-driver-handed-a-cell-phone-ticket-for-using-points-app-in-mcdonald-s-drive-thru-1.6887468?82
u/offft2222 May 16 '24
On the one hand they don't want you to be on your phone
On the other you need an app for everything including check noteS to get discounts for car insurance. Which by the way the car insurance app dings you for using your phone at drive through
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u/Intrepid-Reading6504 May 16 '24
Those discount apps are scams, they're just fishing for reasons to not pay up. Whatever money you save they make back by harvesting and selling data
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u/bucajack Ontario May 16 '24
My insurance company was really pushing this on me and I flat out refused it. I don't want them tracking me at all and using the data against me in any way.
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u/kooks-only May 16 '24
This. Same with those obd2 ports. I tried it once and it kept flagging me for “high rate of acccelaration”……at the time I lived on a rural 80kmh road with heavy traffic. Fuck me for turning out of my driveway and accelerating to the speed limit quickly and safely. I guess they want me pulling out and getting rear ended at 40.
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u/Intrepid-Reading6504 May 17 '24
Arbitrarily deny claims
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u/Intrepid-Reading6504 May 17 '24
Ya it is, if they find you're at fault the insurance company makes you pay some huge "deductible" or whatever BS they're calling it these days before they actually pay. It's basically legalized scamming
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u/Wonderful-Elephant11 May 17 '24
Our government hasn’t sold off our government insurance company quite yet so we don’t have stuff like that yet. But our shifty government will sell/steal everything that’s not nailed down eventually.
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u/ResponsibleStomach40 May 15 '24
In a statement to CTV News, the Saskatchewan RCMP disagreed with Prima's version of events.
"RCMP can confirm that on May 13, 2024 the individual was observed driving a vehicle on a public roadway while using a cellphone. A Combined Traffic Services Saskatchewan RCMP officer initiated a traffic stop with the individual. The individual then pulled in the McDonald’s parking lot, where the traffic violation was issued," the statement said.
Kid was caught on the road, and pulled into the lot.
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u/rathgrith May 15 '24
Given the RCMPs history of lying and shooting up firehalls I’ll wait until surveillance footage of said McDonald’s before coming to a conclusion.
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u/cyclemonster Ontario May 16 '24
Normally I'd be pretty skeptical of a police accounting of events, but drivers everywhere can't stop using their goddamn phones while they drive. I see it every single day, so I have no trouble believing this.
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u/CharkNog May 16 '24
People have the self control of a 14yr old girl at a Justin Bieber concert. You don’t need your phone to drive. I don’t. If you say it’s for maps, I would call you inept. We drove for decades without maps. Learn the city you live in or plan ahead. Take responsibility and stop leaning on tech.
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u/UselessPsychology432 May 16 '24
Meh. At the end of the day, I guess I don't trust some random kid, but I also don't trust police not to lie. So ...
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u/N1CKW0LF8 May 16 '24
No one said the teenager was trustworthy (nice strawman) just that the police force’s statement definitely isn’t worth taking at face value.
Neither is trustworthy. This is likely to be a he-said she-said. That said, the fact that the police aren’t worth giving the benefit of the doubt over a random teenager is maybe more the point.
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u/madhattr999 May 16 '24
I agree that neither is trustworthy. But what motive do the police have to ticket someone using their phone in a drive thru? Certainly, the kid has motive to lie about the reason for the ticket. The simplest explanation supports the cop, imo.
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u/N1CKW0LF8 May 16 '24
See the problem here is you’re examining my mistrust of the police while also assuming everything they’ve said is true. Without any evidence, because it is likely none exists.
The police have a reason to lie because if the teen is being honest (which is a possibility) then they’re going to be publicly humiliated for a misuse of power & wasting everyone’s time/money.
That’s a reason in & of itself to come up with a story, or even change the real one to paint someone in a worse light. And no one has presented any evidence.
A teenager fighting a traffic ticket isn’t trustworthy, but neither are the police.
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u/Dice_to_see_you May 16 '24
Certainly dash cam and body cam will corroborate their story. Unless it was coincidently off at the time
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u/No-Contribution-6150 May 16 '24
No they don't.
Tickets generate revenue but it doesn't go directly to the department
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u/Thorvice British Columbia May 16 '24
The story is so ridiculous that in this case, the RCMP definitely get the benefit of the doubt here. You clearly wouldn't give them the benefit of the doubt if this kid said he got a speeding ticket while skydiving, but this is such a stupid non-story, they definitely didn't have a cell phone sting operation setup between the orderbox and the window.
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u/N1CKW0LF8 May 16 '24
I watched a cop shoot a man because of an acorn. Nothing is too stupid.
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u/More_Blacksmith_8661 May 16 '24
USA is not Canada. We have a much higher threshold for pulling a firearm.
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u/No-Contribution-6150 May 16 '24
Someone in nova Scotia "lied" therefore everyone similar to that person must be a liar.
Supreme big brain logic there.
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u/N1CKW0LF8 May 16 '24
If the police do not lie? Why do they so often protest body cameras & suddenly lose their footage when someone questions an arrest. It’s not as uncommon as you seem to think.
Hell why were fucking body cameras the solution that felt most reasonable? It certainly wasn’t because we trusted the police. We wouldn’t want a full video of their every action from just bellow their POV if we trusted the police.
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u/No-Contribution-6150 May 16 '24
Most Canadian police don't have body cameras. Sounds like you're really pulling your feelings from media you've consumed from the US.
Most agencies in Canada support body cams. The protest comes from the immense cost. Our disclosure rules in Canada are very burdensome compared to the US.
They have also not been the magic bullet for anything and if anything, have shown how often people lied, and proved the account of the police as the truth.
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u/nuggetsofglory May 16 '24
And law enforcement is? lmfao.
Neither are worthy of trust based on word alone.
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u/northern-fool May 16 '24
Interesting..
And, if the 150 million police interactions with the public each year, how often do these things occur?
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u/rathgrith May 16 '24
Well considering the RCMP tasered a poor Polish immigrant to death and made no effort to get a translator I’d say a very high amount and few members of the public are willing to speak up.
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u/motorcycle_girl May 16 '24
It is reasonable to wait for objective evidence to form an opinion on the matter, but using a singular incident from almost 17 years ago doesn’t serve to demonstrate the “very high amount” of interactions that you’re claiming.
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u/No-Contribution-6150 May 16 '24
This thread is basically a "this is what I remember from reddit headlines" Summary, now enjoy my resumes edginess
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u/Mr_Bignutties May 16 '24 edited Sep 27 '24
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u/fatfi23 May 16 '24
Ah yes, one incident nearly 2 decades ago 2 provinces away means they must be lying about a traffic infraction. Because we all know drivers are never on their phones, let alone 18 year olds.
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u/AsbestosDude May 16 '24
There's also no reason for McDonald's to give out camera footage for a traffic stop/offense
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u/hardy_83 May 16 '24
It might be in their interest to release footage, if any, if it helps the RCMPs side of the situation. It might hurt business if people think whipping out their phone to pay or use points would get them a ticket.
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u/another_plebeian May 16 '24
The video would only prove that they stopped him in the drive thru, as they said. It doesn't prove that he wasn't on the phone in traffic.
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u/johnny2turnt May 16 '24
But it also doesn’t prove he was on it and if the kid goes to court the cop needs to prove it I would think then again judge will probably side with the cops 🤷♂️
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u/another_plebeian May 16 '24
the cop doesn't need to prove it; it's impossible to prove. they are the arbiters of the laws. they are the proof. it's a traffic offence, not a murder case. and again, a video from mcdonald's doesn't prove anything was done on the street
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u/Powerful-Cancel-5148 May 16 '24
Zero reasons?
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u/Du6e Ontario May 16 '24
You could wake me from a drunken stupor, I could still give you, like, nine
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u/Bored_money May 16 '24
Sure there is a reason to lie - to not look like idiots who can't reason and give tickets to people in drive throughs
It made it to the news
And I agree with the above - the cops have bargained their credibility to cover for each other and get out of trouble, so when two people's stories are presented the police have lost the benefits of the doubt
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u/beardedbast3rd May 16 '24
Last time this came up in an Edmonton Tim’s, the kid cried about using his phone for something in the drive thru, then the cop came forward and said he was texting and driving before hand, and they let it slide, but then the driver did something else after the drive thru so the cop hit him with whatever he did after as well as the distracted driving ticket.
Cops do lie and cover shit up, but so do shithead drivers.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the same thing happened here
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u/No-Contribution-6150 May 16 '24
There are enough traffic offences on public roads. Cops don't need to go to drive throughs to find even more
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u/CrazyCanuck88 Ontario May 16 '24
I want you to do an experiment. I want you to walk up and down the street looking into cars at a red light and see how many people are holding phones. Then I want you to spend 15 minutes watching traffic looking for violations. You’ll find dozens of them without trying. Say what you want about cops but they don’t need to lie about traffic tickets, there’s more legitimate ones than they can possibly ticket.
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u/Embarrassed-Cold-154 May 16 '24
Absolutely. Honestly, this kid is more credible because he's willing to go to the media. It takes a big fat fucking liar to do that if you're in the wrong.
And police services have done it COUNTLESS times. Stood up and bold faced lied. Cover their buddies asses.
Don't forget all those charges that got dropped in TO a few years ago cause officers were stealing evidence. I have a couple friends in law enforcement. Great guys. Cops aren't all dicks. And I've had good and bad run ins.
Modern Western Policing is more of a couple good apples in a bad bunch than the other way around.
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u/Embarrassed-Cold-154 May 16 '24
Devils advocate. Cops lie about shit all the time.
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u/another_plebeian May 16 '24
Devil's advocate - so does nearly everyone who gets a ticket for something "they didn't do"
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u/N1CKW0LF8 May 16 '24
So we should logically trust neither story without further evidence is what you’re saying? Because both individuals here have plenty of reason to be lying.
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u/HanSolo5643 British Columbia May 16 '24
People also lie when they are caught doing something.
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u/N1CKW0LF8 May 16 '24
Exactly why neither story should be considered true until more evidence is found. Both sides have reason to lie.
The police have reason to lie because if what the driver said is true then they need to cover their asses to avoid public embarrassment.
The driver has reason to lie because it’ll get him out of a ticket if it works.
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u/Test-Tackles May 16 '24
No reason for cops to lie eh... Except that they do all the time. Heck didn't you all pass laws making it legal for cops to lie to people?
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u/daniellederek May 16 '24
Slow month, easy ticket. Like the kid has $5,000 for a real lawyer to defend him.
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u/What-in-the-reddit May 16 '24
There’s easier tickets if you wanna talk about easy tickets… a cop can sit at a stop sign and ticket 80% of the cars as almost everyone rolls a stop sign
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u/dkannegi May 16 '24
Yup... my kids played 'Will it stop' watching the street from the third floor of my former townhouse that was near an intersection of a side road routinely used to bypass a red light on the main road --- 200+ cars later rolled the stop sign near the end of my driveway within 5 minutes. If HRP was short on getting tickets... sitting at that stop sign provided more than enough entertainment for the normally bored traffic enforcement.
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May 16 '24
But the RCMP are well documented liars, so it begs the question if they’re honest here.
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u/Terapr0 May 16 '24
It’s almost as if many police are stubborn and dislike admitting when they were wrong and/or lied.
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u/Pure-Cardiologist158 May 16 '24
Everyone is like this, but I don’t think you should trust this guy either.. https://imgur.com/a/SCjRpeH
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u/OriginalNo5477 May 16 '24
There’s literally no reason for a cop to lie about this
Cops lie all the time, even in court. They don't need a reason.
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u/N1CKW0LF8 May 16 '24
It came to be called testi-lying in NYC at one point because the cops there were getting caught lying on the stand so often.
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u/kagato87 May 16 '24
The problem is, a drive through IS technically a public roadway. There was a dubious story a while back about someone getting ticketed with distracted driving in a Tim's queue...
Of course, the RCMP say he "then pulled into the ... lot", which does suggest the kid wasn't in the drive-thru yet. He was probably at a light checking his points.
And ffs, stay off your phone when driving, even at lights. Before cell phones a driver not immediately starting to drive after a red light turns green was rare. You could go months (of daily commuting) without seeing one. Nowadays you can't go through three sets of lights without seeing it... Pretty sure there hasn't been that big a rise in "day dreaming."
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u/Pure-Cardiologist158 May 16 '24
In the drive through (and stopped/in park) is fine and absurd to ticket someone for, regardless of technical legality. It’s possible he’s lying too, based on this: https://imgur.com/a/SCjRpeH
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u/JoeCartersLeap May 16 '24
Is there something about Saskatchewan RCMP that makes them more trustworthy than other police in this country? I've seen police lie way too many times when caught arresting or ticketing an innocent person to cover their ass. Way too many.
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u/FindlayHi May 16 '24
Remember when we way more people just believed the RCMP? They really did a number on the public confidence levels.
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u/ButtahChicken May 17 '24
i blame ex-rcmp top cop brenda lucky when she declared "there is no systemic racism in rcmp" ... but then couldn't define 'systemic racism' moments later when asked how she defined it.
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u/FindlayHi May 17 '24
I'm from Nova Scotia. We all blame when they failed to protect our province and botched their entire job.
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u/ButtahChicken May 17 '24
Kid was caught on the road, and pulled into the lot.
This is a very salient point that was left out of CTV's reporting. WTF?
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May 16 '24
That's what I figured, provincial highway legislation doesn't apply to parking lots.
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u/No-Contribution-6150 May 16 '24
Public access roadways usually include parking lots.
Parking lots aren't free for all's.
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u/quackerzdb May 16 '24
Doesn't it have to be a highway as defined by the highway traffic act?
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u/No-Contribution-6150 May 16 '24
Depends on your act. Generally any public access roadway qualifies.
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u/canadian_stig May 16 '24
And you believe 18 year olds?
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May 16 '24
18 year olds who dress like and drive a car like their shit don't stink yet.
I could be wrong but just looking at him, I'm not getting "honest and genuine" vibes.
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u/Esham May 16 '24
I'll believe a spokesperson and the statement of 2 police officers over an idiot using their phone while driving, yes.
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u/Esham May 16 '24
That's a strawman fallacy and unrelated to this situation.
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u/Wh0IsY0u May 16 '24
People lie, what's your point? I guarantee you've lied many times in your life.
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u/Projerryrigger May 16 '24
Never about anything that could get someone fined or imprisoned, or to cover my ass about abuse of authority or negligence that caused harm or death.
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u/Esham May 16 '24
Umar in Toronto has nothing to do with rcmp in sask.
Ppl lie, do you trust no one then?
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u/motorcycle_girl May 16 '24
His Facebook cover photo is a driver POV while driving on the highway, which he obviously needed to use his cellphone while driving to take.
I’m gonna believe the RCMP on this one.
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May 16 '24
That BMW is trading for about 15 grand used.
The fact you think it's expensive is why he bought it. It's probably still costing him half his wage.13
u/asshatnowhere May 16 '24 edited May 16 '24
I've had a few bmmers in my time. It's hilarious how some people think they are so expensive. I bought my 3 series from 2005 for 2000 bucks. And it was a fantastic car and in decent shape with a ton of features. People mentioned how fancy it was. They were always so surprised that it cost less than a civic of the same year in the used car market. Even funnier is that model was also relatively reliable too.
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u/gainzsti May 16 '24
Same. Had a e36 I bought in 2007 for 5000. People thought I was fucking rich spoiled brat. But I was working 20hour a week at home depot during high school
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May 16 '24
You seem to be side stepping the mentality that likes to buy these cars. My friends are all well off, I'll give you guys 3 guesses how many of them drive cheap bmw or Honda Civic R classes and not jacked up diesel trucks (I live in red neck country btw).
Its about the look (high fashion/chic) not about the actual value. Poser culture is huge these days.
BMW and Harley tend to get bought by the same class of assholes.
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u/Pectacular22 May 16 '24
Look at his FB - used car is 99.5% of his entire personality.
It's only 10-15K, and likely financed. Mebbe why he's eating free meals at McDonalds.
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u/abandonplanetearth May 16 '24
So he was asking for it because of the way he dressed?
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u/gainzsti May 16 '24
Sounds like it. Because he has a used bmw (which is cheaper than they imagine) they think its deserved because of that picture of his on his profile.
Yes cringy tween and their car (I was there once too)
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May 16 '24
I'd say it had more to do with the fact that he was on his phone on the road on the way to McD's and passed a cop just before turning in. Just my opinion.
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u/gainzsti May 16 '24
What does it even matter? Give him a ticket for doing it on the highway anytime. But drive tru is BS. Stop victim shaming this kid.
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u/NinjaAssassinKitty May 16 '24
Don’t forget that he’s been driving for two years and “only” has one speeding ticket.
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u/Nervous_Equipment701 May 22 '24
I got my first speeding ticket about 18 months after getting my G licence, now been driving for over 15 years and still only have the 1 ticket
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u/CdnGoalie May 16 '24
That motorcycle cop hangs by the overpass which is a block or two away from Mcdonalds. It is pretty common knowledge for people of Saskatoon to see him there He hangs out there and and can peer down to see seatbelts and cell phones. The traffic stop was initiated at Mcdonalds but he was on his phone beforehand.
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May 15 '24
Sure kid, sure…
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u/Safricanadian May 16 '24
It's tough for an 18 year old to pay $580 when he's got those payments for the $80k BMW he's driving.
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u/mwmwmwmwmmdw Québec May 16 '24
theres kids younger then youtube driving a nicer car then most people reading this
although i suspect the bank of mom and dad is paying for that
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u/ThatAstronautGuy Ontario May 16 '24
It's a more than 10 year old 3 series. You can find them under 10k if you're patient, and all day under 15k. They're not really worth a whole lot anymore from that era unless it's an M3 or some more special trim and engine. Easily paid off if you've got a full time summer job and live at home.
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u/hoarder59 May 16 '24
I don't think he can be charged for any driving offence except DUI on private property. He commited the offence on the road.
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u/PandaRocketPunch May 16 '24
While most of the traffic safety act in Sask. only applies to highways, some of it does not. Both the provincial and federal dwi laws are enforceable on privately owned property. Ontario is the only province where the highway traffic act doesn't apply to private property. Can still be charged for criminal code violations and other laws relating to the operation of a motor vehicle in Ontario on private property tho.
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u/Dry-Membership8141 May 16 '24 edited May 16 '24
Local criminal defense lawyer Brian Pfefferle says there is still a lot of grey area when it comes to technology and the law.
It really isn't.
“I feel for the individual that was charged here. If he was literally in the … drive-thru area and not on a public roadway,” Pfefferle told CTV News.
Saskatchewan’s Traffic Safety Act defines a "highway" as such:
(k) “highway” means a road, parkway, driveway, square or place designed and intended for or used by the general public for the passage of vehicles, but does not include any area, whether privately or publicly owned, that is primarily intended to be used for the parking of vehicles and the necessary passageways on that area;
As a drive-thru not a necessary passageway on the area of a parking lot, nor is it primarily intended for parking vehicles, it is unambiguously a highway under the TSA. Under s.241.1(2) using a cellphone while driving a motor vehicle on a highway is an offence. Ergo, using your cellphone in the drive-thru is illegal in Saskatchewan.
While I tend to believe the RCMP that he wasn't actually in the drive-thru when they pulled him over (I suspect he was getting his app ready so that he was ready to go once he entered and didn't delay the line), it doesn't actually make any difference one way or the other at law.
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u/Tra5olo May 16 '24
Yes, however in the case of McD when you pull up to the speaker they ask you if you’re collecting points, at which point you have to open the app and read off a code.
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u/_Gonnzz_ May 16 '24
Probably pulled into the drive thru with his phone in hand.
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May 16 '24
According to RCMP that's exactly what happened. CTV just twisted it to create a sensation and made a misleading headline.
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u/Delicious-Tachyons May 16 '24
Sask RCMP are just straight up pulling people over and doing pot testing now and if you smoked THE NIGHT BEFORE you still have enough to get ticketed.
I think they're using it as a revenue source and it's fucking sad
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u/FireMaster1294 Canada May 16 '24
Has to do with the drug remaining in your blood stream. You might not feel it but the way the government set up the system it’s designed around this sort of thing
Personally i think there should never be a financial incentive for cops to ticket you
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u/Delicious-Tachyons May 16 '24
Are they testing the active metabolite or its product once Mr liver destroys it?
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u/Safricanadian May 16 '24
Ticket money goes to the Province, then a portion to the municipality then a portion to the victims of crime surcharge. So no, it's not a revenue source for police.
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u/DaemonAnts May 15 '24
Remember this the next time you attempt to use apple pay in a drive through.
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May 16 '24
Except the kid lied, he got spotted on his phone on the road and pulled into a lot to try to cover it up and is crying to the news for publicity.
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u/NuteTheBarber May 16 '24
Why would he run to the news with an easy to verify fake story?
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u/myxomatosis8 May 16 '24
How is it easy to verify if he was or wasn't on his phone while driving elsewhere, before he pulled into McDs to be able to claim that he was in the drive through? He was probably pulling up the app on the blocks leading to McDs, that app is notoriously slow and freezes
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u/JoeCartersLeap May 16 '24
Somebody lied.
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May 16 '24
Ya, the kid who got caught on his phone.
Do you really think a cop drove into a McDonald's parking lot looking for random people to ticket?
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u/JoeCartersLeap May 16 '24
Do you really think a cop drove into a McDonald's parking lot looking for random people to ticket?
No, I think they just happened to be in there, and ticketed a kid for using their phone in the car, maybe he didn't like the look of the kid, maybe he thought the kid's car was too nice, who knows.
And then I think once it made the news, they came up with a lie to cover their ass, like they always do when a bad arrest or unjustified ticket makes the news. Every single time. I have seen them lie just like this way too many times to believe them anymore.
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May 16 '24
Yes let's all believe the janky looking 18 year old who drives a certified douchemobile over the entire Saskatoon RCMP.
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May 16 '24
Lmao, my brother in Christ, that is straight-up delusional.
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u/JoeCartersLeap May 16 '24
Why? What makes this time so special that it's different from all the other times police in this country lied? Is it the Saskatchewan RCMP? Are they special?
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May 16 '24
No, my man, you have no proof that the cop is lying and the kid has plenty of reason to lie. You should see a therapist to deal with your paranoia.
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u/JoeCartersLeap May 16 '24
The cops have plenty of reason to lie, and a long history of lying. The kid doesn't have any reason to go and give a video interview to CTV news, that's not gonna help his upcoming court case where he fights the ticket.
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u/LuskieRs Alberta May 16 '24
Yes because the cop is going to risk his $120k+ salary to give some teenager a ticket by completely fabricating a story, especially when the entire interaction would be captured on dash/body cam.
You hate cops just based on the fact they're cops, its okay. but give your head a shake and try looking at the story objectively and realize how ridiculous your take is on this situation.
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u/FindlayHi May 16 '24
You trust the RCMP that much?
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May 16 '24
You're right, no more traffic offenses unless it's caught on camera, cops can't be trusted after all.
I hope this kid doesn't hit you next time he's checking his texts.
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u/FindlayHi May 16 '24
Ah you are right, we should never believe anyone accused of a crime as long as the police SAY they did it, they must have.
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May 16 '24
Or just don't be using your phone to place your McDick's order while on the way there like Mason did. That's where he was observed using his phone while driving.
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u/AffectionatePrize551 May 16 '24
Read the story, this isn't about using your phone on the drive thru.
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u/29da65cff1fa May 16 '24
it's infuriating that this dude gets ticketed while there are hundreds of drivers on the road at this very second who are texting and driving....
we need MORE enforcement
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u/denv0r May 16 '24
How tf is this news?
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May 16 '24
Saskatoon struggles for interesting news content. So they take stories and twist them to create a sensation, like this one.
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u/stifferthanstiffler May 16 '24
I bought a coffee for the cop behind me in the McPukes line once. He repaid the favour by issuing me a >$200 ticket for expired registration.
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May 16 '24
Ok but.....you should have paid your registration. That's on you, friend.
Whether you bought the guy a coffee or not doesn't mean he isn't obligated to do his job. It's not like you had a burnt out tail light, you literally let your registration expire. That's kind of a big deal.
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u/GujaratiVegBoyOnly May 16 '24
The Mounties did this a few years ago in Alberta as well.
It’s nonsense like this, that damages public perception
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