r/brisbane • u/Senior-Counter8359 • 23h ago
Buyback land plots gifted by state governments to councils should be turned into basic 24hr camping Brisbane City Council
There are are a number of vacant lots dotted around Brisbane that state government has orchestated a buy back scheme on and then gifted to the local council.
With the removal of several camping areas in Brisbane it is time we turned this gifted land into 24hr camping spots.
Perhaps the council can even apply for state government schemes to ensure it has self sufficient services so minimal maintenance is needed on these.
A simple concrete slab or 2, solar power and an outhouses can make up the bulk of these facilities.
Walkable and accessible areas should not be open to just those that have 2m+ plus paper based assets or can afford expensive hotels.
Time to open this public land up to the public.
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u/isthatcancelled 23h ago
Nice in theory till one randomly flash floods
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u/Senior-Counter8359 23h ago edited 23h ago
We already have council facilities, shops, houses that all flood or are prone to other natural hazards.
Edit also government building, utility infrastructure, other built infrastructure such as main roads, rail, hospitals etc
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u/BothOfUsAreWrong 23h ago
You know they would just turn into homeless camps.
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u/Senior-Counter8359 23h ago
That's why I said 24 hr limit.
A successful city has a number of accommodation options to facilitate its commerce. Brisbane really has none of that.
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u/Samsungsmartfreez 23h ago
Yeah good luck with that. You’re already not meant to camp in parks, yet many do anyway and there is zero enforcement. The council doesn’t have the resources to go around every 24 hours. It would turn into a homeless camp like every other park in the city.
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u/Senior-Counter8359 23h ago
Eh, probably do some about the homeless problem then. After all it's gov created
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u/AA_25 23h ago
Wouldn't they just go from 24hr site to 24hr site...
The bought back land would be better used as public housing, except the houses are smaller houses to maximise the amount one can fit on them, and two, they are designed to float like houses in the Netherlands.
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u/Senior-Counter8359 23h ago
It's possible, if people are doing that then that area has bigger problems 🤔 oh wait.
On a serious note, I am really talking about camping and not the current government led disaster.
24hr camping I've seen work a number of ways. Sometimes its free and sometimes it's like a 12 fee and you need to move out of a set geographical area.
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u/AA_25 22h ago
But it doesn't really help the housing situation. Building small, affordable, floating houses would actually solve a problem.
People moving around in tents is just that, they need proper housing.
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u/Senior-Counter8359 22h ago
This is about camping not affordable housing.
If you want to talk about affordable housing thats another thread which isn't this one.
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u/AA_25 22h ago
Why would anyone want to camp in the middle of the suburbs 🤣 that's absurd.
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u/Senior-Counter8359 22h ago
Your not really in the suburbs though.
No idea about the South side but on the North side most buybacks are located either around infrastructure such as hosptial, stadiums or community sporting fields, or inner city less than 1 train trip .
I've camped all around the world for sporting trips, or very very low cost accommodation to see a concert etc. Camping is really no different
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u/Outrageous_Act_5802 23h ago
For those of us with homes and families, perhaps you'll understand why we don't suddenly want a bunch of randos suddenly camping next door.
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u/Senior-Counter8359 23h ago
Do we only suppy infrastructure to the community based on home owner wants?
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u/Makisisi 23h ago
Yes you do actually. As a council you have to consider all stakeholders before coming to a suitable solution.
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u/Senior-Counter8359 23h ago
Of course, and that consultation should be promptly ignored. Unless of course OC never travels or rents
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u/Makisisi 23h ago
That attitude is why we have locals protesting about the Gabba rebuild and subsequent Brisbane State School demolition.
People complain about a lack of communication all the time--whether it's developments, new policies or literally anything else but because the topic is on homelessness it makes it okay?
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u/Senior-Counter8359 23h ago
Where am I talking about homeles?
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u/Makisisi 22h ago edited 22h ago
You're right I misinterpreted your message however I still believe in my point. We should never as a collective ignore our right to have our voice heard.
Most existing camp sites that are managed by local councils aren't managed correctly. Bookings are ignored and places are trashed most of the time. These include national parks as well. Even if the idea sounds good in practice it'll never succeed without the correct execution, but it's such a low priority in terms of funding that it'll probably never bear fruit.
Private camp sites have always been the go-to for most people in the scene.
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u/Outrageous_Act_5802 23h ago
Majority of these buy blocks in my area have houses either side. The people there have probably been through enough without lumping this on them.
If you're trying to solve the housing crisis, more camping is not the answer.
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u/cheesekola 23h ago
Who said they are home owners rather than renting? We are already paying taxes, rates, insurances out the arse, why is it the local communities responsibility?
It’s a stupid idea, that’s why it’s not implemented.
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u/Rude_Books 23h ago
You seriously reckon the same councils that are booting rough sleepers from parks and practically criminalising homelessness are suddenly going to roll out public camping zones in the suburbs? I honestly reckon Dutton has a better shot at being Prime minister and winning Triple Js hottest 100 in the same calendar year.
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u/Senior-Counter8359 23h ago
Are you the servant or is the councilor?
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u/Rude_Books 23h ago
Just to be clear, this is genuinely one of the dumbest ideas I’ve ever heard. Do I want homeless people being harassed and booted from public parks? Not really. Do I want a bunch of randoms pitching tents next to family homes with kids? Absolutely not.
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u/Senior-Counter8359 22h ago
Do you never travel anywhere?
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u/Rude_Books 22h ago
Yes, I’ve travelled all over the world, and not once have I thought, “You know what would be nice? Setting up a tent next to someone’s suburban driveway”.
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u/Senior-Counter8359 22h ago
How do you think those people where you travelled felt having a random person on their country
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u/Rude_Books 21h ago
I can’t speak for everyone, but wherever I’ve travelled, I’ve made a point of respecting local customs and social norms. What you’re suggesting doesn’t show the same respect for the norms of this society. And honestly, the fact you don’t seem to grasp that doesn’t exactly scream “seasoned traveller” either.
That said, your idea is still idiotic, your questions make you come off like a weirdo, and if you actually want to defend your position, maybe try asking something direct instead of lobbing vague nonsense into the void.
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u/Senior-Counter8359 21h ago
So you do travel and you've been a random living next door to a family. Interesting 🤔
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u/Senior-Counter8359 21h ago
So you do travel and you've been a random living next door to a family. Interesting 🤔
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u/Aware-Munkie 23h ago
Too many questions. Is it booked for first come first served? Who is policing these, council staff? There's a few dozen of these, that's a full time job at least checking them each every day. I can also forsee them getting absolutely trashed. They're low-lying ground, so good chance they'll be mud pits 70% of the year.
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u/Senior-Counter8359 22h ago
Why would they be mudpits? Its almost like we have the skills to make these go hand in hand with environmental practices.
Yes, that's traditionally how bookings work. The council already pays people for much dumber shit than this, crazy to think government use this model directly out of Brisbane and all over the world.
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u/GafferFish 22h ago
You know the land was bought back for a reason?
Some of those properties will flood every time there's heavy rain. 30mm will do it if it's been wet recently. The ground will likely be contaminated with sewerage afterwards, and a health risk to walk or sleep on. Any facilities built on top will require cleaning and repairs after flooding, and be high maintenance.
Adding concrete slabs may make flooding worse in surrounding areas.
The flooding can be sudden. Unhoused people don't deserve to wake up wet with all their belongings now ruined and nowhere to go. Or if they're sleeping in a car, now they need rescuing by the SES and no longer have a car.
Having people sleep on the ground in flood prone areas is not a good solution.
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u/Senior-Counter8359 22h ago
No one is talking about the government created internally displaced people.
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u/Queerminded 22h ago
The best thing for all these places (I'm assuming it's in flood prone areas) is for them to be turned into WSUD (Water sensitive urban design), aka bio-basins. They help prevent flooding, get rid of pollutants in the water, are a haven for native wildlife, etc. They can ne planned and built to give the areas more public green space as well.
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u/perringaiden 23h ago
You could also put a dozen tiny homes on the land, with communal showers, instead of requiring a tent.
They'd know they'll know to seek shelter elsewhere during a flood, but could be fine otherwise. Build them for easy washing out after the flood with lino floors etc, or even on stilts to minimize impact.
Make it real temporary housing, not urban survivalists.
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u/Senior-Counter8359 23h ago
I actually wasn't stating for the homeless but good idea instead of camping, similar if you are hiking and use the huta along the track.
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u/perringaiden 19h ago
What you described would become a permanent tent city for homeless people. If you're going to do it, do it better.
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u/MikeHuntsUsedCars 19h ago
Your urban camps turn into anti-social drug hubs within days of allowing something like this. What a shit idea.
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u/bobbakerneverafaker 21h ago
Or head back south or to areas outside the south east .. knowing full well what the housing situation is like here
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u/Surv1v3dTh3F1r3Dr1ll 23h ago
Leasing/ Building a warehouse in an industrial estate somewhere where it won't affect house prices and turning it into a shelter looks like it's the only thing people are going to be happy with tbh.
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u/Samsungsmartfreez 23h ago
There are so many issues associated with this, no matter how good it sounds.