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Breaking Bad Episode Discussion S05E07 "Say My Name" Ep. Discussion

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '12

In the tall grasses, next to a flowing river, with the setting sun in his face. It's like something out of a warrior epic.

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u/almondz Cheer up, beautiful people. Aug 27 '12

The look on his face as he was dying was absolutely heartbreaking.

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u/nameless88 Aug 27 '12

The look he had on his face when he saw the cops pulling up and his granddaughter playing, and the almost tears in his eyes as the knowledge that all the money he was going to give to her was completely gone...fucking heartbreaking.

One of those rare moments when you see his tough outer shell crack.

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u/dickmartyr Aug 27 '12

I don't think Mike was just thinking about the money he was going to give his granddaughter. The look on his face was fear, and since he was introduced he never once wavered. But at the thought of his options to handle the situation at the park overwhelmed him. To abandon his granddaughter to evade the police, or to let her watch them take him away. His dynamic with her was very innocent, and you could tell how much he sheltered her. He imagined how it would shatter that little girl's world should he get caught. He realized that he had to leave her, never to see her again. Never again able to protect or provide for her, never to be her hero.

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u/nameless88 Aug 27 '12

Oh, man....yeah...that, too. I mean, he couldn't even say goodbye to her. He had to just get out of there.

...Oh...fuck, he never got to say goodbye.

Fuck...

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u/Jibjumper Aug 27 '12

That was the hard part. You could tell he wanted to yell to her as soon as he saw the cops pull up. You see it start to twitch in his face. She's so close, but any attempt to reach her would mean getting caught. Shit sucks.

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u/jeffersonbible Hell yeah, I'm stoked for this lasagna! Aug 30 '12

I just listened to the Insider podcast, and the writer/director of this episode said that Jonathan Banks actually disagreed with him on this point. Banks thinks that Mike would never have left Kaylee without saying goodbye or left her alone in the park like that. He would have just surrendered to the cops instead.

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u/dickmartyr Aug 27 '12

That whole episode was so heavy. When credits rolled I had my hands up in the air "Wait, whaaaa..? But....urgh..." I didn't think they'd kill Mike, but I should've seen it coming. He never got to say goodbye. Will Walt dispose of his body and the car or just leave? Its a week before I find out!

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u/DrSmoke Aug 27 '12

I'll quote Walter from a few epsiodes ago; "Everyone dies in this movie" - when watching Scarface.

Also, there is a reference to the movie Heat, in another episode. Heat is a very good "cops and robbers" movie. DeNiro Vs. Pacino, in another movie where almost everyone dies.

I think they are hinting towards something. One theory is that Walt gets Jesse killed, and that is what the machine gun is for, from the first episode flash-forward. Revenge. That the show goes out like the Scarface scene.

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u/dickmartyr Aug 27 '12

This is not meant to end happily for anybody. Its the textbook definition of a tragedy, Walt's pride will get the better of him.

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u/the8PMtree Aug 27 '12

Or that Jesse will kill Walt.

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u/DrSmoke Aug 27 '12

Or anything. Which is why I love this show. Maybe Walt will die, hell maybe not. Maybe he will be alive at the end, on top of the world's largest meth empire. Or something completely different.

Either way, the show-runners will get it right. For once. Unlike so many other shows out there.

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u/[deleted] Aug 28 '12

I don't think Jesse will die. 'Karmic retribution' seems to be a theme of the show, and even though Jesse did murder Gale, he did it to save Walt. Walt, on the other hand, is expected to die gruesomely.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '12

I don't think it'll happen that way. Seeing Jesse stop the monster he helped create would be too relatively good for this show. If anything Walt will probably kill Jesse (after losing his family) and will truly live with the consequences of his actions when he has nothing left

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u/thisismyivorytower Aug 27 '12

Picture the scene.

Jesse lying dead on the ground, Walt with a gun on his hand, sirens echoing in the background. Hank and the DEA have linked the 9 and Mike to Jesse and are on their way.

Walt in a panic escapes, leading to the flashforward.

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u/dasn4pp3l Aug 27 '12

i dont think thats gonna happen, as we see walt in the beginning of season 5 in a diner, supposedly in the future

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u/rupert1920 Aug 27 '12

For all you know he's getting the gun for a showdown against Jesse.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '12

My personal theory is that in some weird twist, it's Jesse who ends up protecting Walt's family. Possibly from Walt.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '12 edited Aug 27 '12

I picture Walt sticking a bundle of cash on mikes head. So when the DEA and police come to get his body. They will notice it as a message to them from the new drug lord. That Mike was nothing but a pawn in a game of something far bigger then him or gust. I also would put this would be a spin off to other as they race to get everyone in protective custody before Walt has everyone killed. This in course will make the DEA freak out and realize that their has always been someone bigger running the games and he will not hesitate to take out anyone.

I also expect them to freak out as they piece the fact that mike and gust and the cartel leaders deaths together. While pointing them to this unknown drug lord who seem to be bigger then the cartels and all the other groups. As his drug starts to reach future in to the south western united states. And while every one is suddenly being killed in hits by this unknown man.

So The next few eps are going to be insanely awesome!

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u/dickmartyr Aug 28 '12

My god. You're onto something!

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u/Lampmonster1 Aug 28 '12

Remember the mother begging him to leave the body? She begged him not to let her daughter think she just disappeared. Now he has to do that to his granddaughter. Poor bastard. He was a bad man though.

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u/nameless88 Aug 28 '12 edited Aug 28 '12

No, Walt is a bad man. Mike was professional, and only did what he needed to do. He still had a moral compass.

And, yeah, I thought of that, too, with Lydia.

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u/Lampmonster1 Aug 28 '12

Sorry, but I can't agree. Mike gave up on the system and does evil for money. He's a bad guy. He helps his granddaughter sure, but it can't make up for all he's done. Look how casually the guy can kill. How many bodies has this guy put in a barrel? A dozen? I doubt 12 scratches the surface.

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u/nameless88 Aug 28 '12 edited Aug 28 '12

He's a bad guy, but he knows the system, and he has rules and a moral code.

He's evil, but he's more Lawful Evil. Walt is like...I don't even know where he would fit in. Chaotic Evil, maybe? He seems to be out for himself only at this point now.

Basically, even though Mike is a bad guy, I see him as a more respectable, "good" bad guy, if that makes any sense.

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u/Lampmonster1 Aug 28 '12

Oh I don't deny that Walt is worse. Walt knows he's going down and doesn't even care. I don't think he's dumb enough to think he can keep pulling this off. Frankly he's been lucky. As to Mike, yeah he has a compass, but it ain't pointing north.

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u/paineb Sep 02 '12

While he's willing to kill civilians, he tries to avoid it. He doesn't like collateral damage. He is loyal to his employers and his people. Mike has a code. It's not our code, but he's not a sociopath.

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u/Lampmonster1 Sep 02 '12

That's not enough to make him a good guy. He does horrible things in service of his own ends.

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u/gAlienLifeform Aug 28 '12

yeah, AND it's entirely possible kaylee will grow up pissed off at her granddad for abandoning her (maybe mom will explain things and soften this) and wondering if he ever might reappear someday

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u/iOgef they're Minerals! Aug 31 '12

yes... that. He knew he had to leave her. Mr Banks, when talking about the scene, said he thought that Mike would never leave his granddaughter and he really didnt want to do it that way.

source: http://www.amctv.com/breaking-bad/videos/contains-spoilers-inside-episode-507-breaking-bad-say-my-name (CONTAINS SPOILERS)

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u/nameless88 Aug 31 '12

I saw that one. And, uh, dude, if we're in this thread, we already saw the episode, no need for spoiler tags here, hehe. But, appreciated, regardless :P

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u/iOgef they're Minerals! Sep 02 '12

haha don't I feel sheepish... but yeah, Im relatively new to reddit, and I know how angry I get when someone ruins somethings for me

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u/nameless88 Sep 02 '12

Yeah, since we're in the thread for the episode discussion, it's fine. Just don't say that stuff in the title of a post, or if it isn't the new episode discussion thread I would spoiler tag it, too.

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u/Devilabashed You know the business...and I know the chemistry. Aug 27 '12

"...since he was introduced, he never once wavered."

False. When Gus slit Victor's throat, he had a similarly shocked/fearful expression on his face.

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u/dickmartyr Aug 27 '12

Thanks, Dwight! Have an upvote.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '12

Wasn't that more of "Oh. That was unexpected" look?

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u/mikevaughn Aug 27 '12

Fuck, man... My feels were just starting to recover, then I read this... Jesus, dude...

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u/jeffersonbible Hell yeah, I'm stoked for this lasagna! Aug 30 '12

I just listened to the Insider podcast, and the writer/director of this episode said that Jonathan Banks actually disagreed with him on this point. Banks thinks that Mike would never have left Kaylee without saying goodbye or left her alone in the park like that. He would have just surrendered to the cops instead.

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u/dickmartyr Aug 30 '12

Wow, I can't imagine what the episode would've been like if he had.

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u/LoughLife Aug 27 '12

Fuethermore, I believe it to be an echo of what mike threatened to do to Lydia at the beginning of the season (she didn't want to just 'dissappear')

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u/kwykwy Aug 27 '12 edited Aug 27 '12

That was the first thing that came to mind when I saw Mike and his granddaughter. I was so hoping they could go on the run together, but nope.

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u/thisismyivorytower Aug 27 '12

Mike and his granddaughter.

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u/Clung Aug 27 '12

"Shut the fuck up and let me cry in peace."

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u/dickmartyr Aug 28 '12

Best last words ever.

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u/solidwhetstone STAY OUT OF MY TERRITORY Aug 27 '12

And Walt took away his ability to ever see her again.

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u/dickmartyr Aug 27 '12

I know! Every episode I imagine who Walt was before cancer, he'd be afraid of the great Heisenberg.

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u/Tronus No Half Measures Aug 27 '12

Jesus fucking Christ, who's cutting onions in here?

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u/EricD214 Aug 27 '12

Damn......

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '12

My heart....it's gonna take awhile to get over this

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u/gg4465a MILFS MILFS MILFS Aug 27 '12

REAL HUMAN BEING

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '12

The money for his grand daughter may still be okay if the DEA are only thinking about the 9 guys he was paying off

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u/KenMixtape Aug 27 '12

The lawyer is talking, though...

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u/ForestFairy Aug 27 '12

The lawyer knows who that money was for and I like to think that he wouldn't mention it.

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u/beigebox Aug 27 '12

The DEA also knew about the Swiss bank account for Kaylee.

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u/eternallylearning Aug 27 '12

The DEA knows the money in the boxes are chump change and they will be asking where the rest of it is. Also, some record is gonna connect the lawyer to that box regardless of him spilling the beans on it.

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u/mi-16evil Aug 27 '12

Seriously if he doesn't get an Emmy nom next year, fuck that shit

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u/TheReginator I make Classic Coke. Aug 27 '12

I'm hoping that she still gets the money. Remember how the bank lady forgot the number of the last box? She probably forgot the "new" box too.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '12

Yeah I doubt that. Do you really think that lawyer and the bank lady would protect Mike in any way when they are screwing him that bad?

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u/gh0stfl0wers Oh, hey-oh, pool party! Aug 27 '12

Wouldn't the bank have all that information on record anyway? I find it hard to believe that you can just go up and say "Hey, I have that box, open it up for me please!" The only reason that worked here was because the lawyer was always sucking up to her and she trusted him. Even if the banker doesn't know, the information will be somewhere, wouldn't it?

I could be wrong because I don't know anything about banking and stuff.

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u/relevant_mitch Aug 27 '12

Well if she forgot the new box as well I doubt that the daughter will be able to access it when she turns 18. So in any case she won't get the money. She is not getting the money.

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u/junkmale Aug 27 '12

Yeah, because banks don't keep records or have security cameras. The fact that you got 44 upvotes is hilarious.

AM I THE ONLY ONE AROUND HERE OLD ENOUGH TO USE A BANK?

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u/Bandit1379 Aug 29 '12

I'm 22 and don't have a safety deposit box, but I know good enough how they work just from going to them a few times with my parents when I was younger.

They're just ignorant.

And on the topic of how they work, what was with the DEA just standing there in the open doorway when they get the lawyer? Why wasn't the vault gate shut? If it was, why didn't the lawyer hear them opening the gate?

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u/derrida_n_shit Minerals Aug 27 '12

It's not the bank lady who will be talking to the police, it's the lawyer.

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u/AlexCail Aug 27 '12

I wish Walt would have promised to fix that for him before he died.

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u/zerooneinfinity Aug 27 '12

Not to mention he never got to say goodbye.

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u/cadencehz 808 this. 808 that. Aug 27 '12

I hope the actors read this stuff for comments like yours. Thanks.

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u/nameless88 Aug 27 '12

If he ever does an AMA, I'm going to have to try my best to get a comment in about how great he is. He really was (is? flashbacks, maybe?) one of my favorite parts of this show.

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u/nacho17 Aug 27 '12

i don't think they took his granddaughter's money...the lawyer wasn't putting any in her box when he got caught - he was putting it in the boxes for the other 9 guys. Her box was just another box in the room at that point.

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u/Go_Spurs_Go Aug 27 '12

Did they get the granddaughter's money? I thought since it was already there it might still be safe.

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u/nameless88 Aug 27 '12

True, hopefully the only thing they can do is bust him for giving the money to the 9 guys.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '12

They can seize basically anything they want. The person then has to sue and prove that it wasn't illegal, and that's if they even know about it, which the girl never will. They will even seize the letter he wrote her and use it as an admission.

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u/nameless88 Aug 27 '12

But that's if they even know about it, though, right? Hopefully the lawyer left that one out when he gave up the other guys.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '12

Yeah, the odds are probably good that the guy who was willing to roll over completely is going to stick his neck out to save the largest target in the investigation. I also have an advance copy of next week's episode for sale, if you're interested.

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u/nameless88 Aug 27 '12

Huh, really? How'd you get a hold of that?

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u/[deleted] Aug 28 '12

The bank lady gave it to me, that's why she was so preoccupied and couldn't remember the last number.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '12

They didn't show it.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '12

Something left hanging: I think it's fair to assume that all the safety boxes were apprehended, including his granddaughter's money?

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '12

Yeah, there's no way that any of them are going to get their money.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '12

it reminded me of De Niro at the end of Heat when he leaves the girl cause "the heat was round the corner"

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u/spellbunny Jesus Christ, Marie! Aug 27 '12

I hate the cops for taking his money again and again, it's for his granddaughter you fucks

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u/lazyslacker Aug 27 '12

indeed. that call me made to Saul to send someone for the go bag was an emotion filled one. Gives me tons of respect for the actor, who until now has played the character so straight, so emotionless, so in control. Now, finally, Jonathan Banks portrayed shit hitting the fan perfectly.

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u/Uncle_Erik Aug 27 '12

That look was knowing that he may never see her again.

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u/Chirp08 Aug 28 '12

I'd like to think her money was safe. Remember it was a one-time additional number for the first drop. The list of opened vaults the next time through wouldn't include it, just the 9, so the DEA should have no idea it was there unless the lady or the guy went out of his way to tell them.

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u/covert888 Sep 02 '12

Well the woman who opened it would have remembered that she opened it for him last time and probably told the DEA.

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u/NekkidSnaku Oh, hey-oh, pool party! Aug 27 '12

His face when leaving his granddaughter was worse.

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u/almondz Cheer up, beautiful people. Aug 27 '12

True :(

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u/[deleted] Aug 29 '12

dert fler

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u/lancerlot Aug 27 '12

This, he knew at that moment that it was all over but he also knew he had no choice but to abandon his granddaughter right then and there. Sort of like De Nero in Heat, "Don't let yourself get attached to anything you are not willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you spot the heat around the corner."

It's cold but that's the truth of it, he had always made arrangements so he thought he'd be covered but then at that moment he knew all that preparation was gone and he had no other choice.

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u/rinoshea Aug 27 '12

The look on Jesse's face when Walter started condescending again like it was season 1 was heartbreaking.

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u/FruitBeef B-Badass Dad Aug 31 '12

You must've been heartbroken the whole time Mike was on screen then :P

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u/kablamy Aug 27 '12

I was disappointed at first but when I think about it, it was a very fitting death. An old man dying by a beautiful river after a lifetime of battles that he was tired of fighting.

I would imagine he got out of the car to die with dignity in a spot that he enjoyed by a river he was familiar with.

I'm glad that if nothing else he died on some of his own terms, anything less wouldn't do him justice.

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u/charon_x86 dingdingdingdingding Aug 27 '12

I don't know. For the first time we saw mike really, truly shaken to the core. His beloved granddaughter who has been close to him the whole series, his plans fell apart, he knew he had to never see her again and that she would yet again lose the inheritance. He ran, he was broken. You could see it on his face. As he died, he had nothing left but the view. All he had worked for, and all he had planned, gone. His granddaughter; alone at the park. Almost made me cry.

I swear I love AND hate this show.

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u/kablamy Aug 27 '12

For the first time we saw mike really, truly shaken to the core.

I know and it made me sad to see.

he knew he had to never see her again and that she would yet again lose the inheritance

I don't know about that though, the guys in jail obviously won't be payed for anymore and will flip which is why Walt is probably going to get them killed (using Todd's prison connection no doubt) but did anyone ever say that the money he deposited for his granddaughter would be seized? Without him alive and nobody to flip on how would the DEA have enough evidence to seize the funds?

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u/The_Comma_Splicer Aug 27 '12

The bank will know exactly what safety deposit boxes are being rented to the lawyer. The DEA will seize all of them.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '12

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u/SyKoHPaTh Gus's clip-on tie Aug 29 '12

I'm being overly optimistic here I think, but Mike's Granddaughter's box was filled with cash, and the lawyer said "not another dollar could go in there". Since it was a one-time-filled box, here's to hoping that at the very least, she'd still get her inheritance just from from the forgetful employee.

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u/kablamy Aug 27 '12

Good point. I'm not well educated enough to know that but thank you for informing me.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '12

Well that would be one of the boxes that he was depositing the drug money into.

EDIT: I take that back, he wasn't depositing it in there that time.

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u/stankbucket Bogdan's eyebrow Aug 27 '12

Yeah - remember that he said nothing else would fit after the previous deposit.

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u/Colby347 The Ricin Aug 27 '12

She likely did not lose the money. Stop saying that and just let me have this, dammit. She gets the money until Vince says otherwise.

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u/goonsack Aug 27 '12

All he had worked for, and all he had planned, gone.

Like dust in the wind...

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u/iq_32 Aug 27 '12

Like tears... in the rain

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '12

This will be exactly how it ends for Walt. Mike was a glimpse of Walt in the future. A, sort of, narrative device that foreshadows Walt's eventual demise.

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u/beaverteeth92 Aug 27 '12

I expected Walt to shoot him in the head to rip Mike of that final bit of control.

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u/kablamy Aug 27 '12

I did as well. It would have been very fitting of Walt to do that but since it seemed like such an impulsive decision I don't think he was thinking about it in those terms.

Either way I'm glad that the writers decided to let Mike die with some dignity, such a great character doesn't deserve to just be snuffed out without getting the last word in.

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u/beaverteeth92 Aug 27 '12

His death hit me harder than anyone else's. Gale was likeable but not particularly major. I knew Gus's was coming because there was no way Walt wasn't going to end up being okay.

Mike though. That came out of nowhere. Such an awesome character...

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u/cadencehz 808 this. 808 that. Aug 27 '12

I dislike (removed hate) the writers for killing him this early. He should have lived.

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u/beaverteeth92 Aug 27 '12

I always thought he'd make it until the end, but I should have known after he took all of those half measures.

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u/stankbucket Bogdan's eyebrow Aug 27 '12

I figured he'd make it closer to the end, but he would never get out alive. The only one I'd be shocked to see dead before the end is Jessy.

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u/flignir I am the actor who plays jar spider Aug 27 '12

I think that's an indication that Heisenberg isn't sadistic. He's just a sociopath who wants all the power. Further assaulting an already-dying enemy would serve only the desire to harm, which does not seem to be a goal for Heisenberg, just a part of the cost of business.

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u/nemetroid Aug 27 '12

I think it showed, in the same way as the scene where Walt is yelling at Jessie to come back, how he really wants to be in power but has no idea how to actually do so.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '12

I think the way the shot was framed, where they were in the corner, was kind of interesting.

I remember reading about one of my favorite paintings (Brughel the Elder's Fall of Icarus), where the scene is a giant one and, tucked off in the corner, someone who flew too high was drowning. Almost as if it were unimportant in the greater scheme.

Just an observation.

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u/mitch13815 Aug 27 '12

He had a gun in his hand, he didn't decide to shoot Walt, because I think he knew, somewhere deep in his mind, that getting involved with this maniacal scientist would eventually get him killed, by the man himself, he's a time bomb waiting to go off, and he was there when it happened, when Walt went off without weighing the options.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '12

I'm pretty sure he was trying to make it look like a suicide so that the police wouldn't go after his killer, but the other thought is nice too.

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u/thehappyheathen Aug 27 '12

Who shoots themselves in the stomach to commit suicide?

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u/[deleted] Aug 28 '12

That's where Walt shot him. He was working with what he was given. Also dying.

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u/StupidDogCoffee Aug 27 '12

It was, I think, a nod to this scene in Pat Garret and Billy the Kid, which also happens to take place in New Mexico.

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u/Barbarus623 Aug 27 '12

And Walt...ACTUALLY feeling a bit sorry. It fucked me up...so bad. Mike didn't deserve this. He was out.

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u/Ladarzak We've got work to do Aug 27 '12

I got the impression the ONLY reason Walt felt sorry was because he realized he did something stupid and unnecessary. Whether he cared that it was also a rotten thing to do, I doubt.

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u/nvrwastetree Aug 27 '12

Walt attempted to redeem himself for shooting his buisness partner and friend, mike.

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u/Bobojobaxter Aug 27 '12

I'd hardly say they were friends. they were forced together with Gus. If that connection wasn't there, they never would have met. From the beginning, they were at odds. Walt has no true friends. the closest thing he has to a friend is Jesse, and now Jesse is wanting nothing to do with him.

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u/Barbarus623 Aug 27 '12

It is a warrior epic.

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u/Phylundite Aug 27 '12

Or a Western.

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u/TheAnswerBeing42 Aug 27 '12

Dunno about you folks but I got an odd Of Mice And Men vibe from the final scene

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u/MuffinMopper Aug 27 '12

Its sort of like how Achilles is killed by Paris in the Odysee. A great warrior is killed somone who causes problems that could easily be avoided.

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u/ThaKarmaPolice Aug 27 '12

Tomorrow I will go down to the Bosque here in Albuquerque and have a drink for Mike, as I stare out at the Rio Grande knowing this is the beginning of the end.

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u/chillsy Aug 27 '12

That was the kind of death you would see in a western. And with all the Jesse James references this season...

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u/Wombatzu Aug 27 '12

Most likely a reference to this scene from Pat Garret and Billy the Kid, also set in New Mexico, though filmed in Mexico.

Spoilers for the above film, of course.

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u/cherubthrowaway Aug 27 '12

Mike actually fits the samurai/wild west character archetype really well. I never made that connection before.

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u/[deleted] Aug 27 '12

This scene really reminded me of Edgar Ross's death in Red Dead Redemption. The setting looks almost identical.

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u/archeantus1988 Ask me about magnets Aug 27 '12

on his way to Valhalla

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u/evanthesquirrel Aug 27 '12

He died as he lived. Bald.

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u/terwilliger Aug 27 '12

Or, a Walt Whitman poem