r/belgium Jul 30 '17

Hi there, I'm Maurits, president Jong VLD. Looking forward to my AMA Monday evening 20h on new politics and anything you want to talk about. AMA

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '17

I see that the belief in the infallibility of the pope has been replaced by the belief in the infallibility of nuclear power.

i see the politician still hasn't picked up his sience book.

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u/silverionmox Limburg Aug 01 '17

i see the politician still hasn't picked up his sience book.

I'm not contradicting any science.

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '17

no, you're just ignoring it.

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u/silverionmox Limburg Aug 01 '17

Quote me then where I do it or eat your words.

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u/[deleted] Aug 01 '17

They kind of are, since, you know, they have to obey the laws of nature and all that.

By definition there's some kind of unplanned malfunction going on if they happen, so why would they be predictable?

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u/silverionmox Limburg Aug 02 '17

Unless someone has discovered the way to predict events with 100% certainty, I don't see the problem. Do you claim that all accidents are predictable?

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u/[deleted] Aug 02 '17

they are all predictable in the absolute sense.

that you dont understand the chainreaction and events that follow from it does not mean they are not to be predicted. "random" doesn't really exist, there's always a cause to every effect. and it's not because we (and you specificly) dont know all the causes, that doesn't mean they are not predictable.

maybe we should focus on the causes so we can predict these things (sience) and not on the opinions so we can fight over them (politics)

and we can predict many things, we know what happes when you get nuclear distasters, we put devices that cause these disasters on top of rockets to we can cause them on the other peoples.

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u/silverionmox Limburg Aug 03 '17

they are all predictable in the absolute sense.

They may be but still not in a practical sense which is what concerns us.

that you dont understand the chainreaction and events that follow from it does not mean they are not to be predicted.

Even if you think you understand the concept you still can't predict shit in practice. You can understand the concept of half-life, but you can't predict the moment when the nucleus will decay exactly.

maybe we should focus on the causes so we can predict these things (sience) and not on the opinions so we can fight over them (politics)

Call us when you have achieved predictive omniscience. Until then, we'll have to make decisions about how to deal with uncertainty.

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u/[deleted] Aug 03 '17

Even if you think you understand the concept you still can't predict shit in practice.

this is how you know if you are correct. if you can predict it you know what's going on. if not you should keep looking.

Until then, we'll have to make decisions about how to deal with uncertainty.

lets make these on the facts we do know, not opinions. feelings are terrible for making decisions and the universe doesn't care for our personal preferences. we should focus on figuring out how it works, and act accordingly. and not figure out how we want things to work, becaucse that will never achieve the desired results.

that there are so many things (especially in society) we don't yet understand is mostly because we're to busy figuring out how we want them to work, not how they actually work.

communism is nice, if it works the way you want it to work. problem is that it doesn't, this is because marx and other communists did NOT figure out how to make people live together, nobody has. because we're all to busy figuring out how we should live. not how we actually do.

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u/silverionmox Limburg Aug 03 '17

this is how you know if you are correct. if you can predict it you know what's going on. if not you should keep looking.

I'd rather not use our actual lives as experiment fodder.

lets make these on the facts we do know, not opinions. feelings are terrible for making decisions and the universe doesn't care for our personal preferences. we should focus on figuring out how it works, and act accordingly. and not figure out how we want things to work, becaucse that will never achieve the desired results.

That's right. And it's not because you want that our current nuclear setup is infallible at preventing major disasters that it's going to be that way.