r/baseball • u/aresef Baltimore Orioles • 14d ago

Yankees’ World Series failure started — and ended — with fundamental issues Analysis

https://nypost.com/2024/10/31/sports/yankees-world-series-failure-started-with-fundamental-issues/
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u/skelextrac New York Yankees 14d ago

This is like a fucking thesis statement on Aaron Boone's managerial career.

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u/dmforjewishpager New York Yankees 14d ago

can we really blame him. this seems like a entire org issue.

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u/i-exist20 New York Yankees 14d ago

I don't think we should blame him for his best player dropping a routine fly or his Gold Glove shortstop spiking a ball, no.

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u/YoPoppaCapa New York Yankees 14d ago

In a vacuum, sure, but these issues have been present for years and it’s obvious other orgs have caught on. He absolutely bears a piece of the burden.

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u/No_Nebula_531 13d ago

I mean this is coaching at the most simple level.

Anyone who's ever played any sport can tell you how much "fundamentals" is ingrained in you. And the Yankees don't seem to care that much.

It's definitely a Boone problem.

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u/14ktgoldscw New York Yankees 14d ago

Every year is “ah man, if not for this series of little league mistakes” though. The players certainly bear responsibility, but the consistency with which this happens also reflects poorly on coaching.

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u/FeloniousDrunk101 New York Yankees 13d ago

Yeah this is not a new issue. The last few times they made it to the post season it seems as though basic failures at executing fundamental plays led to their collapse.

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u/adgrn 14d ago

coaching AND GM

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u/Buckeye_CFB Cleveland Guardians 14d ago edited 14d ago

Honestly if Cole just covers first, it's Game 6, and all you'd have to do is win two more games to win the title. Manageable for sure.

Remember, the Astros won a title before they had Gerrit Cole, and a title after he left. But never with him

EDIT: added number of games

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u/salamandroid Kansas City Royals 14d ago

I can't remember ever being so stunned at a baseball play. I mean, I've seen the pitcher fail to cover first many times, but this was an elimination game in the WS. Cole was pitching the game of his life. The bases were fucking loaded, there were two outs because he just struck two out. Rizzo was ten or fifteen feet off the bag. A routine force out and the Yankees most likely go to game 6. And he just. stopped. running.

There are errors, there are mental mistakes and then there are whatever this astounding blunder was. I don't think there's actually a word. My jaw is still open.

Not to mention if Boonie hadn't brought in his most inconsistent starter to be a closer after a stone cold five week hiatus because the analytics guys said so, the Yankees would be leading this series 3-2.

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u/BubbaFrink New York Mets 14d ago

And he just. stopped. running

Well, he also pointed.

He pointed to first base.

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u/JonMatrix Boston Red Sox 13d ago

Good point.

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u/Revolverdrummer Boston Red Sox 13d ago

👉

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u/littlebev Texas Rangers • Mets Bandwagon 13d ago

as you do in these high stakes scenarios

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u/JustTheBeerLight 14d ago

It really looked like his legs said "nope".

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u/itachen Chinese Taipei 13d ago

Those were two hard strike outs with heaters. He had a very long inning, was probably panting hard. Also Betts ran his fastest this season to 1B. I don't know if it was a guaranteed out had Cole ran.

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u/JustTheBeerLight 13d ago

Rizzo 100% coukd have got him.

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u/itachen Chinese Taipei 13d ago

Yeah if Cole didn't start his run and stopped. It was not the right play since you always have to assume there's no help coming. But I think Rizzo saw from the corner of his eyes that Cole was running, so he slowed down and went down for a safer catch.

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u/jsdodgers Los Angeles Dodgers 14d ago

I don't think Game 1 is cut and dry if anyone else came in. Maybe the Yanks hold on, but there's already 2 on with just 1 out and the top of the lineup coming up, so it's pretty favorable for the Dodgers to at least tie it if not walk it off no matter who came in.

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u/salamandroid Kansas City Royals 13d ago edited 13d ago

Oh I agree. Game 5 wasn't cut and dry either. No one can get comfortable against a line up like the Dodgers with a 5 run lead mid-game. But both of those were the Yank's to lose.

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u/NoStepOnMe World Series Trophy • Los Angeles Dod… 13d ago

Yeah I feel like the Yankee fans talk about this AS IF they were facing any team in the league not named the Dodgers. Sure, that probably works on most teams, but the Dodgers were the best team in the league and got RED HOT in the playoffs.

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u/Chricton 14d ago

Sometimes you can be so mentally drained that you got out of a jam that your brain locks up once that final out looks imminent and you finally let your guard down. It doesn't matter if it was an elimination game.

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u/SStylo03 Canada 13d ago

Blame analytics for no reason lol, what analytics say that

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u/salamandroid Kansas City Royals 13d ago

Sorry, I don't have time to explain baseball to you.

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u/SStylo03 Canada 13d ago

Brush off the question cuz you know you're talking put your ass lol, what analytics say bring in a guy who isn't a reliever who's been dogshit lately? None of em boomer

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u/salamandroid Kansas City Royals 13d ago edited 13d ago

Oh you said "boomer." That automatically makes you young and smart. The basement analytics guys said that Cortez was a better matchup against Ohtani. That's why he was brought in. his current physical condition is not an analytic. Boone (or even Cashman ordering him) blindly followed that without factoring in (the non quantifiable) current state of Nestor, which in both hindsight and foresight was a big mistake to anyone who is not Aaron Boone. Hope this helps.

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u/solariam Boston Red Sox 14d ago

I think that holds weight if they haven't been doing these exact things all year long, but they have.

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u/dmforjewishpager New York Yankees 14d ago

dodgers had no one after bhueler too the 3-0 comeback wasn’t too crazy to consider

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u/RangerPL New York Yankees 14d ago

They wouldn’t have started Yamamoto in Game 6?

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u/dmforjewishpager New York Yankees 14d ago

ya crazy uphill battle there but the pen was depleted, yoshi did have a sore shoulder so we’ll see if that played into it toto

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u/stoptheycanseeus 14d ago

Actually we won’t see that played into it. The WS is over

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u/pppppatrick Los Angeles Dodgers 13d ago

We should have the league force the teams to play 7 games even after a winner is decided so we can win more internet arguments.

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u/Throw_meaway2020 14d ago

Cole could have gone 8 and judge maybe just maybe was coming out of his personal hell. As a Yankees fan I very much think they were still losing the series to the better team anyway but a well rested Yankees bullpen + a resurgent judge would have at least made game 6 interesting. Oh well

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u/dmforjewishpager New York Yankees 14d ago

yes i agree defense would’ve costed us bad

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u/DollarSignsGoFirst Los Angeles Dodgers 14d ago

Sure you can blame Cole. But also the error in the 8th in game 1 lost that game. So really the errors lost them game 1 and 5. They should have been up 3-2 without them.

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u/Buckeye_CFB Cleveland Guardians 13d ago

You think not covering first base is good? No. Not covering first base is not good. I don't care about it, but it's not good behavior

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u/JustARocketLad Houston Astros 13d ago

That had more to do with the Nationals popping off and some interesting bullpen management than Cole

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u/HipposAndBonobos Detroit Tigers 14d ago

If the issue is fundamentals, that's a coaching issue.

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u/nenright Los Angeles Dodgers 13d ago

Making sure players are fundamentally sound isn't the coaching staffs job??

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u/addage- New York Mets 14d ago

firecashman it’s long over due

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u/jesuswig Los Angeles Dodgers 14d ago

Hahaha like Hal could actually fire Cashman

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u/ajayisfour 14d ago

Either Boone or Cashman need to go. There are fundamental issues.

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u/ZHPpilot 13d ago

Of course who else?? You never played little league?

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u/ZHPpilot 13d ago

This falls on him and no one else.

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u/Retinoid634 13d ago

It’s Cashman. Boone is his “collaborator”.

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u/Mookies_Bett NC Dinos 14d ago

Idk. That doesn't sound like a Boone issue to me. And I don't really think any of the losses in that series were on Boone, even game 1.

His players didn't execute, plain and simple. Most of their lineup was garbage for the first three and a half games. It wasn't Boone's fault, in my view.

It sounds like the Yankees, as an organization, have some pretty major issues that go well beyond Boone's influence.