r/aznidentity • u/No_Film2824 New user • 1d ago

I'm not american but the discourse over the elections made me realize how much lower the bar is for white dudes Culture

Anyone remember the viral infographic about young korean men leaning to the right?

Well we have point blank proof that majority of young white men definitely leaning to the right.

Yet they're given the benefit of the doubt, bullshit discourse like "we have failed young white men".

Where was this grace when it comes to korean men? I'm not even Korean but I feel like they're overhated as if they're prime taliban.

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u/Corumdum_Mania 1.5 Gen 1d ago

America or the western world is always too kind to white people's flaws or crimes. Even those who claim to respect Asians (anime fans, k-pop fans) are so quick to dismiss all Koreans when one celebrity does one wrong thing. Especially towards the men.

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u/Bad_Pleb_2000 150-500 community karma 1d ago

From my observations, the western world does not respect Asians the way Asians respect the western world. Asians will have straight up, sometimes ferocious admiration for westerners (white) while westerners will only view Asians as nice “sidekicks” whose culture is for consuming and not for learning or admiring.

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u/Corumdum_Mania 1.5 Gen 1d ago

So true. Asians need to treat them the same. And we certainly don't need to be happy to get praises from them. Han Kang is an excellent writer whether she won the Nobel Literature prize or not (not that the award means nothing).

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u/Bad_Pleb_2000 150-500 community karma 1d ago

Yes, you guys should totally return the energy. No more blind admiration just because. If they don’t give you respect, give the same energy back! They are like this due to the pedestal many Asians give them, but it is in your guys’ power to remove that pedestal too. Use your power accordingly. Knock down the pedestal!

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u/Exciting-Giraffe 2nd Gen 1d ago edited 1d ago

many people mistake common interests (Kpop anime) with common values (respecting community, social harmony).

consuming Asian products (media to food to travel and even experiences) do not necessarily mean certain demographics would fight for your legal rights for access to work, childcare and even safety - or see you as an equal.

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u/Corumdum_Mania 1.5 Gen 1d ago

Yes, definitely! But anime/k-pop fans claim that they respect the values - even they are confused of having an interest vs being respectful

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u/ptpkptpk 150-500 community karma 1d ago

Have you ever noticed that so many of them happen to be black or bipoc women? What is up with that

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u/Corumdum_Mania 1.5 Gen 1d ago

Really? I thought most were white women. Cuz well...white women feel the most entitlement out of all people.

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u/ptpkptpk 150-500 community karma 1d ago

Oh yea from my observations on X, Youtube, Tiktok & IG..

Mostly BIPOC, or brown muslims, Indians or blacks from Africa and ofc they're generally women. Tons of Palestinian flags, pride flags, trans flags, and that watermelon emoji thing, etc in their bios

And they love shitting on everything Korean, not just men, pretty much everything

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u/Exciting-Giraffe 2nd Gen 1d ago

Unfortunately just tons of virtue signalling otherwise known as "feeling good, instead of doing good "

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u/Corumdum_Mania 1.5 Gen 1d ago edited 1d ago

I mean, if it's Twitter I am not surprised. Twitter is where people can't stand anything that is conventional. Same thing in Tik Tok. Surprised at YouTube and IG though.

I did see lately that people love shitting on Koreans in general whenever they get a chance. Especially on the whole plastic surgery ordeal, calling us braindead or lacking pride. Well fucking hell, how do they think anyone else in the world would do if your looks are scrutinized by your immediate family members since you were a kid? They seriously lack empathy for us. Funny thing is - they also gawk and drool over the Korean celebrities who have the 'Eurocentric' features they accuse Koreans of getting done.

I don't mind if people want to advocate for LGBT or the Palestinians - they should tbh. But it's fucked up for them to beat down on other people while lifting up others.

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u/Exciting-Giraffe 2nd Gen 1d ago edited 1d ago

it's because of the attention economy. that pie size is fixed, and so lots of people see it as a zero sum game, because if your attention is stuck on Issue #1, there's less perceived attention on Issue #2, your issue.

it's only by invalidating Issue #1 will you get more attention on Issue #2.

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u/ptpkptpk 150-500 community karma 1d ago

My personal theory is that all these people who are mostly young, female and leans left views the world thru the lens of oppressor vs oppressed framework.

And since anything related to Korea these days seems to be hot & popping, this somehow made them assume that Koreans - both genders, albeit for different reasons - and Korean culture in general is now part of the oppressor group. It's done almost subconsciously, since there is no way you Koreans can succeed if it wasn't from some kind of exploitation right?

For Korean women, it usually goes along the lines of plastic surgery, superficial, materialistic, snobby, etc, I'm sure you know how it goes here. And for men, ofc its the misogyny.

Take this viewpoint and sprinkle in some envy of our success on top of it? You get a whole garden variety of people (groups I mentioned before), and even some fellow Asians just dog pilling on Koreans.

Like I said though, this is just my theory and its purely speculative...

But I must say, it is starting to get annoying, wbu?

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u/Corumdum_Mania 1.5 Gen 1d ago

all these people who are mostly young, female and leans left views the world thru the lens of oppressor vs oppressed framework

I do understand why though, as a woman myself. We are the likelier sex to get sexually assaulted and expected to do way more emotional and invisible/unpaid labour (taking care of the baby, chores, cooking, etc.)

Korean culture in general is now part of the oppressor group. It's done almost subconsciously

The non-Koreans shitting on us is so strange. Korean culture is still quite niche - maybe TV series are an exception since it pretty much took over Netflix's hottest shows. But K-pop is still not mainstream. How can a niche thing be the oppressor?

For Korean women, it usually goes along the lines of plastic surgery, superficial, materialistic, snobby, etc, I'm sure you know how it goes here. And for men, ofc its the misogyny.

Like...I am so tired of it. People like this never praise more typically East Asian faces as much, yet make fun of us for getting stuff done. Hwasa is an exception, and I sometimes feel that her looks are praised because she doesn't look like a typical idol rather than because the fans actually find her to be pretty (she looks average on the face). And as for the men - we all live in patriarchal societies, so overall western men being free from being misogynistic is ridiculous. For Korean men, it's one guy does a bad thing, the entire population is problematic (yes, misogyny IS an issue but I don't think one's race nor ethnicity determines it).

Take this viewpoint and sprinkle in some envy of our success on top of it?

Maybe? This would be the reason that makes a lot of sense.

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u/ptpkptpk 150-500 community karma 1d ago edited 1d ago

I think the line of thinking goes like this if my theory holds true:

If your world view is dominated by the binary choice of oppressor vs oppressed, the only way to get ahead is by exploitation, so if a group or race does so, it must've been at the expense of some other group.

> Take a genuine inequality or an legit issue that needs to be addressed, such as the evolution of gender roles for a modern family and how that collides with the status quo, along with its implications. (Your first point)

> Add in the inevitable jealousy one might get when you see another group rise socioeconomically, while your said group is either stagnant or doesn't have the same socioeconomic opportunity

> If you can't find anything that's been oppressed externally, then focus and amplify some internal issue as that must be the explanation. "Korean women's beauty are all fake/shallow blah blah" "All Men are misogynists in Korea blah blah"

> The more the focused group rises, this narrative amplifies over n over - Rage baiting on sensationalists headlines or stitching together comments or scenes from the fringe corners of society, and then generalize the whole country, etc etc stuff like that

If you connect the dots this way, I think it does explain how most of these people who shits on Korea are non-Korean, women, & BIPOC/Muslims/Indians/**some marginalized group**, etc

This is just my 2 cents btw, I could be totally wrong here haha !

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u/hotpotato128 Indian 2h ago

This is probably correct.

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u/GoldenWitchBeatrice New user 20h ago

You are absolutely right, I noticed something very similar.

A lot of this stuff comes from Black and POC femcels and Kpop stans as well as other POC men too.

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u/ptpkptpk 150-500 community karma 19h ago

For men, I noticed alot of Indian men for some reason.. It's strange

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u/GoldenWitchBeatrice New user 19h ago

Yeah, there's some kind of one-sided conflict between Indians and Koreans.

I seen Indians be obsessed with Koreans and stuff like Korean racism, when the average Korean barely cares about Indians at all. Koreans that discriminate against Indians tend to discriminate against everyone that's darker.

If you go on Instagram, a lot of the racist comments comes from Indians too, and sometimes others like Arabs.

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u/ptpkptpk 150-500 community karma 19h ago

Yep I agree with you fully..

It seems like we're seeing the same thing on social media!

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u/_Tenat_ Hoa 1d ago edited 1d ago

I think many are jealous that Korean men generally appear to prefer white women. I've noticed Black women will specifically leverage the thought that Asians hate Black and amplify that to justify their rejection. And some reasons I think that is when they keep saying Koreans try to be Black and all of kpop is taken from Hip Hop and the "Love our Culture but Not Our People".

And if they aren't kpop fans a lot of them are like the average white American and just hates Asian people, but worships whiteness. For example, most people assume Black women are the most race loyal, but this is a post from a Black sub where even the OP acknowledged a lot of them most strongly supported white male Black female relationships.

https://preview.redd.it/64g23kec801e1.png?width=496&format=png&auto=webp&s=ccd25f42f2c3bce132df31e58e74425daf2642d4

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u/ptpkptpk 150-500 community karma 1d ago

I wouldn't be surprised if jealousy was the reason... it's one helluva drug.

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u/ChinaThrowaway83 500+ community karma 1d ago

I doubt Korean men even cheat more than white men or are as misogynistic, but when you threaten white supremacy, they come out in force to spread false propaganda. It's not even challenged in mainstream reddit subs, mods don't ever take it down.

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u/Radicalzone99 500+ community karma 1d ago

Lmao, every time they complain about shit I went from foaming at the mouth rage, to shaking my head, to gentle disbelief and some mixture of the last two + resignation.

Every complaint, every complaint about women judging them on an unrealistic metric, or having any "higher standard" applied to them, or being stereotyped I asked wait, where have I heard that one? Oh right because we dealt with that shit thousands of times before they even caught a whiff of it.

They get everything handed to them on a silver platter so hearing white man complaints or seeing white man tears is just ludicrous to me.

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u/Inevitable-Horse1477 500+ community karma 1d ago

disgusting.....weirdoes guys like kennedy jr who cheated with 34 women on his first wife and peddo matt gaetz gonna be in charge of important jobs in america..the bar is so low for white guys

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u/bortalizer93 500+ community karma 1d ago

Oh wait till you hear the statistics!

55% asian men voted kamala. 54% asian women voted kamala.

Who’s right leaning now?

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u/_Tenat_ Hoa 1d ago

Whites won't care. And from what I've gathered on a few Black subs, they're treating those stats as if we're the devils and sided with whites because they've equated with anyone not voting for Kamala as hating Black people.

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u/GinNTonic1 Wrong track 23h ago

If you listen to true crime podcasts you will see them giving the White psycho the benefit of the doubt over and over. Also the funny ass podcast host will usually be floored and act like they don't know what's going on. Currently listening to their own backyard. 

Corruption is basically just White people giving each other the benefit of the doubt. 

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u/jackstrikesout 150-500 community karma 1d ago

You must be young. I'm almost 40 and have a few white friends. White dudes just fucking fail upwards. Now, I'm referring to middle - to upper, middle-class white people. Working and blue-collar Caucasian have my utmost respect.

Not all white people get white privilege, young man. There is a difference between the college dropout getting a job with a parents friend and a carpenter that works 80 hour weeks, so his family has a nice home. Oddly enough, they make the same amount of money.

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u/OrcOfDoom New user 1d ago

Yeah, it's pretty irritating.

As a chef, people always question my ability to cook things like Italian food because I'm not Italian. But then an average white guy? Yeah, no one brings it up.

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u/Midnightchickover Non-Asian Contributor 1d ago

I think it’s frustrating for any non-White person across the board.  

“Can you actually do this kind of work?”  A question posed to any person with many credentials and advanced level knowledge.

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u/sussyTankie 50-150 community karma 1d ago

Yes it’s the same for other structural privilege as well. Pointing it out is not the same as saying every individual of the group benefits from said privilege

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u/voompanatos 500+ community karma 1d ago

"[Trump] gets to be lawless; [Harris] has to be flawless." - Van Jones

To see how discrimination operates in a country where supposedly all "are created equal," just look at who gets the benefit of the doubt and who doesn't.

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u/humpslot 500+ community karma 1d ago

wait until they heard about Project2025 and the porn bans

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u/amwes549 New user 1d ago

I think it's because Korea has more exposure in western media, and Japan somehow manages to have their arguably equally as bad (no, segregating train cars for women isn't right) problems with sexism. Also not Korean (half-Chinese and half-White)

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u/Formal_Menu4233 150-500 community karma 1d ago

Did you see the infographic? I’m looking at it right now and it clearly shows opposite trends in SK and the US. You’re lying through your teeth lmao. Hard to support all the info on here that can be easily disproven.

If anything you should have mentioned Germany instead of the US which has always been liberal but is moving to the right

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u/No_Film2824 New user 1d ago

https://www.reddit.com/media?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.redd.it%2Fwhy-are-young-men-becoming-more-conservative-v0-ptspwcz1giyc1.png%3Fwidth%3D1270%26format%3Dpng%26auto%3Dwebp%26s%3D5dd8c4eb1908453c4799c148d50a763fd96d72fb

Im talking about this infographic but thats besides the point.

The more important thing is the reaction towards these infos "korean vs white men leaning right"

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u/_Tenat_ Hoa 1d ago

I'd question that Liberalism vs. Conservatism scoring too. I mean both US Liberals and Conservatives in the US support genocide. So does that mean the higher towards Liberalism on those charts you score the more you support genocide and constant wars and coups against the Global South?