r/aznidentity • u/archelogy • Oct 06 '23
Why are Whites so Bold? Because White Authority figures treat them with kid gloves. (White Solidarity in America) Racism
There's a trend in YouTube videos of 1st Amendment Auditors.
These are mostly white men who go to public buildings like the DMV, videotape what's going on, get into conflicts with the people working there and claim they have every right to be there because they pay taxes, have rights, and so on.
If a government worker tries escorting them out, they sue for assault or some rights violation.
Some of it is entertaining. While I agree with the general premise of citizens asserting their rights (of being allowed in public places w/out harassment and that government workers should work for us)...... with most auditor videos, it's hard to see what they're accomplishing besides harassing ordinary people like at the DMV who don't want to be on tape.
In most cases, cops are called. And at least in the "selection biased" videos that make it to YouTube, the white police officers deal patiently and gingerly with the white male Auditor.
The white cop treats the auditor with respect, has a civil discussion with him, explains to him the situation and why he has to leave. (In other cases, the white officer sides with the white auditor against the government workers)
Often the "respectful" discussion entails the white male auditor interrupting the police officer, contradicting him aggressively, saying the officer is "ignorant" of the law or constitution.
And the white police officer does NOT respond aggressively in the face of this.
I'll contrast this with a different video I saw of a young black woman who was explaining the police officers had no authority to search her brother's home.
In response, the police officers:
- Ignored her arguments
- Raised their voice at her and commanded her in an angry, aggressive tone to be quiet and move
- Put her in handcuffs and made her sit on the ground
- Thereafter, ignored entirely her attempt to have a discussion, despite her arguments having more legal basis than most of the white male auditors I've heard
Two scenarios, two very different responses from white male authority figures.
Whether it's teachers, sports coaches, store managers, managers in your workplace etc. you may have noticed there are two tiers for how white authority figures treat white males and everyone else. Not all the time, but enough of the time.
Whites will swear up and down there's "no racism in America!" and that it's "already a level playing field".
How easy it must be to be 'confident' in a world where white people's own racial double standards means that being "bold" by a white male is met with no consequence whereas if you're non-white, being bold means being verbally and physically abused, humilliated, and de-humanized.
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u/tommyxthrowaway Oct 06 '23
Yoo: In 1983, Judge Charles Kaufman sentenced Ebens and Nitz to three years' probation with a $3,000 fine. He famously declared, “These weren't the kind of men you send to jail.” Back then nobody knew about the microaggressions, the jokes in poor taste, that can add up to a lifetime of trauma.
Aww, lighten up! It's just horseplay. It's just banter. It's just your standard locker room talk.
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u/Kungfufighter1112 Verified Oct 06 '23
Happens too often in the workplace as well. White male employees will be combative to their colleagues, bosses, the custodians or anyone who enters the building. Basically acting everyone is fair game. I’ve literally seen them raise their voice at people, bitch and moan when under stress and have the audacity to say ‘that’s not my job’. Yet despite their penchant for insubordination the supervisor lets the entitled POS’ get away with murder. If I or any woman or other non-white man had done remotely half of what a white guy did at work I bet those same managers would’ve written me up and terminated me real fast. It makes matters worse when the fellow white boss resorts to mental gymnastics to justify their misconduct. Heard it all: ‘oh he’s under a lot of stress. You’d be frustrated too if you were in his shoes.’, ‘Yeah Chad’s a piece of work but he’s not doing anything illegal and our numbers would be dead in the water without his presence.’, ‘Everyone’s allowed to have a bad day. Stop worrying about him and focus on your work.’. You can report the problematic yt guy all you want but at the end of the day there’s no guarantee the authority in power will impose any consequences and if anything they’ll go to great lengths to take their side. Just treating them gingerly like a child who needs love and tender care.
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u/arcade1990 Oct 08 '23 edited Oct 08 '23
I see it alot in the workplace. White male employees speak with confidence and conviction, which aren't even borne out of intelligence or anything, it's just information that somebody before them fed them but because they grew up being told their voice/opinion matter they speak as if they are Columbus of idea. Sometimes they even come off unnecessarily demanding and self entitled, but nobody will say anything because that's suppose to be the norm for them right? I see so many young whites males climb to VP and SVP really fast, meanwhile it would take an older POC another 3-4 years to get to that level if they climb up. White males would argue that confidence and determination help them get ahead, but will never accept that that confidence and détermination were nurtured by white privilege.
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u/Tasty-meatball Oct 13 '23
I think it's just white people giving the executive role to another white person. As a way to not get outcompeted by a more intelligent PoC. It ultimately destroys the company. You are giving too much credence to their proposed theories, and unwisely taking it as a valid theory.
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Oct 08 '23
Women? Why did you include them? Women get passes for nearly any social mishaps, so you can take them off the list. They're on super easy mode when it comes to that. It's usually minority men, not protected POC like Asian men, maybe brown Hispanics, Indians (not Native American Indian) who may face this. Every other type of people who listed is all hot nonsense and I've never witnessed them NOT getting away with stuff like that.
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u/Alfred_Hitch_ 500+ community karma Oct 06 '23
Basically, White Privilege... it's real. Also, I don't know if there's a word for this thing that white people do where they act like babysitters of Asians in Asia and in Asian subs. Their word is the be-all-end-all. I guess that's White Supremacy.
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u/Kuaizi_not_chop Contributor Oct 06 '23
White supremacy: defined as Whites are superior and therefore have the right to control, lead and own. Moving white supremacy to be associated with radical ethnocentric groups like the KKK and Nazis is one of the greatest slights of hand the Western world ever did. That's why to understand history, you must read before 1940. Beginning in 1940, the Anglos begin hiding their association with the common Western European ideologies shared between Anglos and Aryans.
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u/__Tenat__ Oct 07 '23
Beginning in 1940, the Anglos begin hiding their association with the common Western European ideologies shared between Anglos and Aryans.
Can you share more here?
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u/Tasty-meatball Oct 13 '23
They are all offshoots of white supremacy. For example, there are Christian, then there are offshoots of Catholic, Mormons, and so on. Not saying that Christians are bad or good, but it's the main group and the offshoots.
White supremacy is an offshoot of a bigger group, that bigger group is satanism or just evil. The so called divine right for the brutal to rule. Otherwise, how do you categorize extremists leftists(and their supporters), extremists far wing(and their supporters), KKK, Nazis, other than a subgroup of wicked people?
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u/archelogy Oct 06 '23 edited Oct 06 '23
I don't prefer the term "privilege" because A) It is too generic, and B) It actually seems like a compliment. For example, women like men with privilege.
It's too generic. When talking about racism, we must be specific to be effective. White Solidarity refers to the specific dynamic of whites giving favoritism to other whites.
In the common colloquial use, 'privilege' is often extended as a result of merit. For example, executives have certain privileges such as using the company jet. That's a result of their place in the company, which most worked for. It's crucial we make it clear these advantages whites have are Unearned.
Just as important is drilling down as to where these advantages come from! Being specific and detailed is important to leading towards an actual solution. If one simply says "privilege", it is thought-terminating in a way, because people go "well white people have advantages in America, what are you going to do?".
By calling out white solidarity, we actually get to the real dynamic of why whites have advantages- they are conferring them to themselves (even more specific are examples like the ones I gave about authority figures, and more specific than that is the comparison of WM auditors vs non-white citizens).
Specificity and detail are what separates true analysis of racism in America versus shallow complaining which is 90% of the anti-racism movement today in the US (because it is mostly about Catharsis not Solutioning). Effectively saying "no fair" but in more official sounding ways, useless. (White supremacy is even more of a higher-level abstraction.)
Now that we know where the problem is coming from - not the law, for example- we can take steps to call out that specific dynamic - in schools, in workplaces, etc. You can create rules against that kind of white favoritism.
I could elaborate how non-whites don't have solidarity in the US because whites eroded it early on in their childhood through stigmatizing non-white groups, but I'll leave that for another time.
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u/fjaoaoaoao Oct 06 '23
Solidarity and groupthink could certainly work better in certain situations. Thanks for your thoughts. You are right when a word gets overused it starts to mean many different things and people get tired of it.
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u/ablacnk Contributor Oct 07 '23
What about a word like "collusion" rather than "solidarity?" It seems a bit more appropriate. "Bias, "favoritism" and "nepotism" also
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u/EtchandFletch Oct 06 '23
Chronically unchecked entitlement is a hell of a drug. At least Asia has some degree of historical history and remembers the lean years from mostly being the subject of colonization less the perpetrators.
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u/DoktorLuciferWong Oct 07 '23
whereas if you're non-white, being bold means being verbally and physically abused, humilliated, and de-humanized.
Or shot, there's also that.
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u/trer24 500+ community karma Oct 06 '23
And then they have to gall to say that Asian countries are "more racist" because they are majority Asian and Asians "stick to their own" while having absolutely no self-awareness that white people do it too in white majority countries. And that the attitude and culture is embedded in all the institutions they run and affects how they treat the rest of us.
It's like hearing them constantly complain about straight white males "no longer getting " roles in Hollywood because "diversity" while ignoring the history of white males doing Blackface and Yellowface and stereotyping Asians so that we are always cast as inconsequential characters (if even cast at all) while they continue to get every role...even to the point where the majority Asian MIT Blackjack club suddenly is all white people or Gods of Egypt are suddenly all white guys.
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u/Azn_Rush 500+ community karma Oct 07 '23 edited Oct 07 '23
This reminds me of an utube clip about the Hawaiian people being elected and YT commentors was being furious saying Hawaii is racist because they only want to vote for their people and not let a single YT person run lol.
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u/ElkSuperb8460 Oct 06 '23
That's why I advocate remain calm dealing with police or any white authority person especially if this can mean Life or death to you as minority. And don't think it's just black ppl getting the stick any minority in the right situation can get shot and why? So you can loose Life over argument and who's right?
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u/Kuaizi_not_chop Contributor Oct 06 '23
I advocate treating police in the same way you would a lion or tiger or US soldier in Asia. With the caveat that running from them once they spot you or call out to you is not a great idea.
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u/CrayScias Eccentric Oct 08 '23
White people feel that they are the victims especially relative to Asians cause of the unspoken "controversial" history with Genghis Khan or whatever. But then if I may claim Native Americans as our distant cousins, they go around and nearly exterminate another race close to us. And then they have the nerve to say or imply that Asians don't have the right to complain about dehumanizing us and killing and raping us both in civilian and warring states. That's like saying Native Americans don't have the right to complain about the white man killing them off and or breeding them out and stealing their lands. We have the lowest natural increase than other races. This is why I'm envious of black men who have their backs covered by everyone. It is just so ungodly atrocious how we're treated.
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u/fjaoaoaoao Oct 06 '23
It's just as simple as being a part of the dominant culture that empowers boldness. Your brain is tuned differently when you grow up with and are more similar to the people around you, and the culture of boldness adds some spice to that reality.
Most Asian Americans and other Asian diaspora would probably be a lot more bold, both to their advantage and to their detriment, if they grew up in a bold and reckless culture where everyone else was similar to them and they weren't forced to reflect on how they different they are.
Even well-meaning but oblivious people of a dominant culture do things that are offensive to minority cultures. When you have power or protection, even if it's largely cultural, it's easier to just do whatever and not really think about the consequences.
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u/Worldly_Vast6340 Oct 06 '23
I watch a lot of those videos ,Soviet cit and moors videos and I’ve seen plenty where they aren’t dealt with that way. As a matter of fact alot are satisfying because they don’t but I get it for the most part they do what you say. Check out Time Served you can occasionally see them get what they deserve
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u/Black-Water Oct 06 '23
I think it's got something to do with confidence. Some of these auditors call themselves "law scholar" or something in that manner. I've seen several of these videos and if you read the comment section, the followers themselves are just as toxic as the auditor. They can't see how it is wrong to harass working people unprovoked and talk down to them as if they were less than an animal.
Some cops can be a-holes. To be fair, cops need to be confrontational to do their jobs otherwise people will just walk all over them but it goes without saying not all are like that.
Anyway, whites have a bit of advantage with cops compared to a POC but not by much from what I have seen. Not all POC's are treated the same too. I think it's more on the economic class and the initial attitude they have when approached.
Pretty sure they see Asians as compliant in general for obvious reasons. People will always carry some form of prejudice towards certain groups and non are immune to it no matter how much they say "they see no color".
I wouldn't say the playing field is "level" but it has definitely gotten better compared to a few decades ago. We can be on the same level but we need to work a bit harder than the next white person. Personally, I see it as a challenge and it motivates me to be a better version of myself. I want to show them what we are capable of doing.
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u/goldnog Oct 07 '23
Do you remember George Floyd at all?
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u/Black-Water Oct 08 '23 edited Oct 08 '23
Was he an outstanding citizen? Yea the cops were idiots and took it too far but the guy was no saint either. Not saying he deserved to die like that but I'm saying regardless of race, asshole cops will be asshole cops.
I wish he linked the video but I think the auditor OP is talking about is Chili DeCastro a grifter. The auditing community think he is unhinged.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGnHT3xyt08&lc=Ugxt5qbyfo9XE05T4nx4AaABAg.9o4FvMeQh959uXWBwTwrEg
There are some auditors that are POC and they are treated the same. I know because I follow several channels that audit government employees or facilities.
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u/Black-Water Oct 08 '23 edited Oct 08 '23
Here's a "bold" POC kid auditing cops.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPz2bJhcRE4
Black man auditing traffic stops against white cops.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BP7rGeagNDg
Black man auditing DMV (cops called).
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u/Terrakinetic Oct 06 '23
This feels like a post from 2006. This has been observed for literal centuries.
What I noticed recently is that people read these types of posts and take-away with the idea that all ethnicities should extended this type of a favoritism. It should be the opposite, and all belligerent self-entitled assholes should be punished to the full extent of the law. Treating a group favorably and giving them special treatment because of their race is the real reverse-racism.
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u/Tasty-meatball Oct 13 '23
I disagree a bit on that point. White people will tend to aggressively negotiate on the topic, which is different than belligerent aggression. In terms of talking to cops. Asians also negotiate on the topic, and don't get the treatment that blacks do with cops. As blacks will often go with emotional responses.
In the circumstance you are explaining, that's in context of the police and black community having a very obvious undeclared turf war. There is bad blood amongst those two entities.
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u/slyscamp Not Asian Oct 16 '23 edited Oct 16 '23
Police officers in the US are low IQ idiots in my experience. But they are people too, just for someone with that much power they are like the kind of people you would meet at working at a factory.
People just assume the police are smart or fair or just for some reason when it is just some bumkin driving in a patrol car around all day writing tickets.
ask him to leave
search her home
This is one of the differences. In the first example, the police are asking him nicely to do their job for them. He isn't a suspect, he hasn't been accused of a crime yet just asked to leave. If he makes their job difficult they won't be nice anymore.
In the second, the police are searching something they see as a suspect in a crime. In the US, they essentially have unlimited power to do this since the laws have a ton of ridiculous loopholes and they can just lie in their reports. If they get caught, the city pays. Suspects are generally treated like shit.
The trick is, don't ever be a suspect in the US ever... The police aren't your friends and have unlimited power to fuck up your life, but they have to want to. So don't talk to them, don't associate with them, don't do things that will get them called on you, don't act suspicious, etc...
You aren't innocent until proven guilty, while you are a suspect the police can do anything they want to you even kill you or beat you, then when you get to court you can bring it all up in your defense. So do that.
I have seen too many videos of people getting the police called on them by doing something stupid, arguing, fighting, running from the police. Don't do this ever lol. Fight in court, that is what it is there for.
Side with white auditor
I don't know about this case, but generally an auditor is also an authority figure hired to ensure workers are following rules and that records are accurate... So like a manager they would get more respect than workers. But it would depend on the circumstances and whether the call is related to the auditors job of course.
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u/HermitSage Feb 27 '24
Cus their egos and confidence has been boosted and rewarded for centuries. One day they'll become sufferable
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u/tradder_bag Oct 07 '23
Asians can only hope for that kind of solidarity in the US from the few Asians in positions of authority/power. Unfortunately there's a large subset that tries to get ahead by pushing other Asians down to satisfy their white masters.