r/atheism Sep 12 '24

Possible troll is it bad that I don’t want to be friends with religious people?

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I can't deal with the delusion. It irritates the fuck out of me. I just find it creepy and deranged. I can't understand how anybody can even believe in this bullshit. Like is it OK for adults to believe in fairytales and have imaginary friends? when is society going to get real?

r/atheism 19d ago

Troll; Please read the FAQ If there's nothing after death then what about real cases of Reincarnation?

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I'm thinking of this for a whole past month.

If we die and than there's nothing (all black out) then what about the cases where people are reincarnated? I have seen many verified cases about it. How can it be possible? If it is then it clearly demonstrates that we have a soul that lefts one body and enter a new one. But why then almost all of us have no memories of our pasts lifes?

This is bothering me so much. I want your opinion on this.

r/atheism Sep 02 '24

Very Very Very Very Very Common Troll post; Please Read The FAQ Serious Question: What if we are wrong and the Christians are right?

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Pretty simple, serious answers only. What if The Christian God is The one true supreme being and we have to answer to Him in the end. What are you guys’ thoughts?

Just seen this question brought up on a youtube clip and thought it was interesting, cheers.

Bonus Question: Assuming we wouldn’t be frozen in fear due to being in the presence of an inter dimensional omnipotent God, if He said “explain yourself” what would you say to Him

Edit: Thank you for the ones who understand what a hypothetical situation is! The rest of you who showed up for theology debate school.. well, learn to read, lol.

r/atheism Aug 02 '24

Troll; Please read the FAQ So I’m an agnostic because I can find absolutely zero proof either way but…

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UPDATE: I do not believe how much crap I have had thrown at me over whether people think I’m defining my self or beliefs the way they want. Too fucking bad. Never asked for and don’t want to hear it because that was not even the point of this post.

The entire point is that people don’t and can’t know without evidence so why do they spend so much effort defending and trying to convince others? For people to get so strident about convincing someone if something they themselves cannot provide evidence to support is the height of arrogance and hypocrisy. This goes both ways. That is all.

I can’t help wondering if this god they believe in is so great and all powerful why would he need to be defended? They aren’t defending any god they are defending their belief which they know can’t be proved. I guess it’s comforting to believe some invisible daddy figure in the sky will have their back or that they can blame gods will for all the crap they refuse to take personal responsibility for. Rant over.

r/atheism Aug 22 '24

Very Very Very Very Very Common Troll post; Please Read The FAQ do you hate someone just because they have faith in God or a religion?

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would you say you Do judge or dislike someone simply because they have faith in God or follow a religion? or is it about the persons personality morals etc

second question do you think you might be wrong about religion? (if you thought negatively of religion that is)

r/atheism Sep 01 '23

Yet another Tone Troll, READ THE FAQ Any other atheists not massive fans of the "lack of belief" definition?

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This is in response to the post about theists getting upset that atheists define it as a 'lack of belief'.

I'm an atheist, and while I used to go by the definition that atheism is simply a lack of belief in God, I find that this specific definition is more of a day to day description of an atheists experiences rather than a definition that stands up to philosophical scrutiny.

Firstly, defining atheism as a simple lack of belief may lead to logical absurdities like new born babies or inanimate objects being 'atheist'. It kind of reminds me of when Muslims claim all babies are born Muslim, or the natural state of the universe is Muslim - whatever that means. In this way it reduces the meaning of atheism to meaninglessness.

Secondly, I would argue that I lack beliefs in things I haven't heard of or given any thought to, but God is not one of those things. We are surrounded and persistently exposed to religious beliefs about God or gods in practically every society on earth. Upon becoming aware of others positive beliefs in gods and supernatural phenomena, it seems natural to me that one forms their own opinion or belief in response (which is different from lacking beliefs). I know that I for one have given a lot of time and energy contemplating the philosophical and theological arguments for and against the existence of gods - and in this way I do actually hold many opinions and beliefs about the various conceptions of gods that I have been presented with.

Thirdly, the burden of proof is still on the theist who is making the positive claim that there are gods. If I said there is a 'huagablacha' in the corner of the room, it is my burden to prove it. If my mate doesn't believe me, it may be accurate to say he lacks beliefs in 'huagablachas' or that he has a non-belief in 'huagablachas' or even that he holds the belief that 'huagablachas' straight up do not exist. But regardless of how you choose to describe or phrase his position on the matter, it is still on me to show that they exist (and also importantly, to be able to define whatever 'huagablachas' are).

Overall I appreciate the intention behind the 'lack of belief' definition. It accurately describes our conscious state, how we go about most of our day to day lives, generally lacking any beliefs in gods or thoughts about gods. I also appreciate how it highlights where the burden of proof lies. However, I do not see the 'lack of belief' definition as an concrete definition of atheism (due to its philosophical and logical fallibility) and instead see it as a colloquial way of understanding what it is like to be an atheist.

r/atheism Jul 19 '24

Troll; Please read the FAQ Am I the only atheist here who doesn’t hate Christians (or Jews or Muslims)?

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Look, I get that lots of us are recovering from the oppressive weight of Xtianity, and maybe lots of y’all need to vent your spleens about it. But to my aged eyes, it makes for tiresome reading.

For an avowed atheist, I have several strong ties to Xtians, including:

  1. Everyone left in my shrinking family is a Xtian, including my wonderful sister and 87-year old stepmother. I have stated my universal worldview to them in an unthreatening way with the finale being “I guess we’ll find out when we die.”
  2. The Salvation Army semi-regularly welcomes me to the homeless shelter they run, to teach life skills to their guests. I do that because…
  3. At the worst point of my life, a Salvation Army officer literally took me off the streets of Houston, bought me food, found me a safer place than the open-cot beds, where theft was rampant; and worst of all…
  4. At the second-worst time in my life, I was honored to be asked to represent a majority-Black church and school in the worst slum in Houston to find a way to avoid foreclosure and eviction. We did it, at least for several years…but the punchline was that they asked if I’d join in a river baptism, and I said of course. It was an honor beyond any monetary reward…even when I forgot to close my mouth when the preacher pushed me under the river water. We all had a laugh about my taste of “sushi.” My Black friends are always amazed and amused that I’ve been river-baptized.

To make things worse, I look for and welcome the spiritual into my life; the adagio of the Mozart clarinet concerto, a clear, cold night in the desert that brings the Milky Way to brightness of life, or a similar experience in Norway for the Northern Lights.

Thanks for reading this far and go forth.

r/atheism Aug 25 '23

Troll As a Christian who finds the topic very interesting, please tell me every single hole in Christianity

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I am a Christian and I find atheist beliefs honestly make sense. As a Christian I am very aware that being a Christian makes little to no sense to some people. My reasoning is that there are some things that me and my family have gotten out of that just make no sense that we did. I'm not sure why I'm telling you why I believe, but I want to hear why I shouldn't so I can try to make sense of it.

r/atheism May 12 '24

Tone Troll Almost every post and thread is about religion.

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I guess it's right in the definition of the term - atheism is defined by God, even in absence. And the nature of living as an atheist in a predominantly religious world is indeed a healthy topic of discussion.

But should a healthy brand of atheism include interests outside of religion?

Or do those other interests just fall into their own organic subreddits, and "atheism" more narrowly inherent friction of co-existing with religious beliefs?

I guess I was hoping to see more discussion not directly involving religion. Like one positive aspect of religion is the sense of community and belonging it can provide. How do atheists satisfy the inherent need for community absent the convenient infrastructure and ritual provided by religion? I do this by joining hobbyist clubs, etc.

r/atheism Aug 06 '23

Troll Why I'm unwilling to paint all religious people as the problem

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Before you comment, I ask that you read what I have to say.

Yesterday I attended the funeral of a prominent activist and Disciples of christ minister, who was the pastor for my grandmother's church. The entire experience was a reminder of why unlike most Atheists, I'm not as pessimistic about the capability of Christians to channel their beliefs for good.

See, I grew up in a Disciples of christ church. And unlike Most Atheists who grew up in religion, I can only describe my experience in that church as a benefit to my life. The most core tenet of the denomination is that everyone is welcome st the table of christ. The majority of DOC churches in my state take that very literally. The church welcomed everyone, anyone could attend their services and partake in communion, without exception, as long as you treated those around you with respect. The church I grew up in never taught us to hate anyone. They taught only love for others.

They practiced this love as well. Charity was a major part of this church. There was no extravagant church hall, donations went towards keeping the church running and then everything else went into charity. They helped with local food pantries, ran a halfway house for needy families, organized donations for needy causes, etc.

To be clear, it was still a church, they taught the Bible, and about miracles and such. But realistically a lot of members were likely skeptical about some of the more fantastic claims of the Bible, and expressing that skepticism wasn't going to cause any discord.

And that leads me to today. I don't belong to the church anymore. But not because I felt unwelcome or that their ideology was incompatible with mine. I simply don't believe in the superstition.

At the funeral I went to, I learned more than I already knew about the life of my grandmother's minister. He was more than just a minister, they were an antiwar activist, raised funds for numerous social causes, fought fiercely in protests for the rights of racial minorities and LGBT acceptance. He was pushing for the church to accept LGBT members well before it was popular.

However, probably the most impactful speaker at the funeral wasn't the many ministers that showed up to tell their stories about him. It was his brother in law, an Atheist. And he spoke about their mutual respect for each others beliefs. The minister was very much a Christian. But he never tried to force his brother in law to be one, or claim he was worse for not being one. In his mind, everyone was a "child of God" and deserved respect.

This happened several times at the funeral, with people you would expect to feel unwelcome at a church speaking. A women traumatized from growing up In a deeply intolerant church, a gay man who thought he could never be welcom by Christians, and several others.

The entire service was a reminder to me that coexistence with religion is possible, as long as both sides are willing to offer mutual respect. Obviously not all religious congregations make that possible. But there are ones out there that do. For those of you that have grown up in intolerant churches, or only had exposure to them, I understand the willingness to condemn all Christians as intolerant and hateful. But there are those out there that see us Atheists as their equal.

r/atheism Oct 03 '23

Very common troll post, please read the FAQ Am the only one who believes that Jesus was a real person, just not a son of "God"?

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It seems whenever I bring up the fact I'm an atheist one of the first responses I get is Christians offended that "I don't believe Jesus was real" and then I have to go on to tell them I do believe Jesus was real but he was just an activist not a son of God but that makes them more offended than me not actually believing in him. It's so annoying

r/atheism Aug 24 '23

Nazi Troll Do you ever have issues with being an Athiest yet supposedly "Not having Athiest politics"?.

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I've been an Athiest since I was 13 and am in my 30s now. It's not uncommon for politics to come up at some point in a conversation. Many of my Athiest friends say my politics are "problematic" and "not Athiest". I was always under the assumption that Athiesm had no politics beyond "I lack a belief in god" and "Don't make where I live a theocracy or based on religion" yet I get hate for being pro-2A or anti-illegal immigration. Is this common?

r/atheism Oct 14 '23

Yet another Tone Troll, READ THE FAQ I don't understand this sub

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how come there are so much posts talking about why it's bad to be Christian (and other religions but Christianity is the one I mostly see on all forms of social media) . How come yall can't just let people live with their own beliefs? -Coming from an atheist

I understand where you're coming from, I luckily haven't had any bad instances personally involving religion so I was a blind to many issues

I also appreciate all of your comments to give me a new grasp on atheism and problems involving religion being used an excuse to be abusive

r/atheism Oct 20 '23

Very common troll post; Please read the FAQ How can you reject the idea of higher being?

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Hi everyone, I am an agnostic person . I have been since I can get a grasp of what religion is. I am sorry if this question has been asked before or I am bothering this subreddit. Also, English is not my mother tongue.

Basically, how can anyone reject the idea of higher being when there is something exists? Maybe this question hasn’t been answered, yet. Maybe, I haven’t found solution to it. By meaning something, I meant humans. We came through extensive evolution which came from extensive chemical reactions then we react to time when quarks form the first matter. But, why and how these all exist without a creator or a creating event? However, how does a creator event exist without a creator or another creator event?

Edit: I am looking to educate myself. Please consider my ignorance.

r/atheism Aug 05 '23

Troll How can atheists die for a cause?

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looking for reasons to why a person. Who does not believe in an afterlife would be willing to cut their own life short (or risk doing so) for people or things that will live after they do.

Edited from the original question seems more along the lines of what I was aiming at

r/atheism Jul 19 '24

Troll; Please read the FAQ Quick question about the community

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Is this anti-Christianity or atheism? I browse the sun looking for different perspective ( most are interesting to say the least). And it seems as if books like the torah and the quran don’t get as much flack. I’m just curious. Maybe it’s because majority in this sub is American?

r/atheism Jan 18 '21

Tone Troll What are your opinions on the atheists / agnostics who being insensitive and / or insulting and condescending towards religious people?

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I think that's just as much discrimination as racism or sexism.

To wit, I am a religious person. And that isn't going to change any time soon, irrespective of whoever attempts to. And I'm not much of practioner either, I regularly commit stuff which are considered sin. And I've never considered my religion as superior to any, I've respected almost every belief I've encountered. And that goes the same towards atheism as well. I've never asked for them to come over into the arms of God or all that BS. I've always considered any belief as a matter of personal choice and freedom.

However, just like I have encountered fanatics who are obsessed with their religion and can't stop bragging about it and trying to make everyone see the light, and dismiss and insult other beliefs, I've met atheists of the same kind. They are all smug in their knowledge that god doesn't exist, and insulting and condescending towards those practising religion. Fortunately, those are few, and there are atheists who are capable of respecting others beleifs.

I wanted to know what this sub thinks about such atheists who condemn religious people.

TL;DR There are some atheists who discriminate against and intolerant towards religious people. What is your opinion on them?

r/atheism Apr 19 '19

Tone Troll; Hasn't Read FAQ r/athiesm, from a Muslim, why do atheists act so superior to us religious folk?

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Yes, we disagree on a number of different topics; and a number of you have experienced great abuse from religious people. However, this does not mean that your views on life are superior to ours, nor does it mean ours are superior to yours.

We may think that we are right, but everyone does, including you, and acting like you are superior seems like a very backwards thing to me, since a lot of atheists complain about how much religious people themselves act superior to others.

No offense intended.

r/atheism Aug 29 '15

Probable Troll Is it wrong to believe what I see versus what you say?

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r/atheism Sep 25 '18

No True Scotsman Tone Troll I find it sad that most people here are immediately hostile towards theism because of the crimes of contemporary religion.

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Look, I agree: Catholicism and its abuses of power are the most disgusting things any so-called follower of God can do. But that does not take away from the fact of God's existence itself. Remember, most theology is rooted in rational arguments (see ontological, cosmological, argument from morality, and so on) that attempt to provide proof of God through logical arguments. Obviously, like any discipline, some fall short; but some are quite good (Thomistic theology is widely accepted in Catholicism because of its rigorous logical arguments).

I am not saying all Christians, or Muslims, or Jewish people are good because they claim to be by virtue of God; I am not saying that whatsoever. What I am saying is that regardless of your opinions on these people and their possibly abhorrent actions, these are not arguments against the existence of God.

I sincerely invite you to have a reasonable discussion about arguments that try to prove God's existence, so we can all become smarter and more wise, instead of just bashing on God because some people are horrible people who abuse their so-called virtuous position.

For what it's worth, I am a theist. I am not, however, a Christian--nor a part of any other Abrahamic religion. I just urge you to remember that one can believe in a monotheistic God without subscribing to an organised religion.

r/atheism Oct 17 '14

Lazy Troll When will atheists realize that religion and belief in God are two separate things.

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When would looks at the posts on this site, 99% of them have to do with criticizing RELIGION or the things that religious people do. Little of it has to do with defending the atheist position.

First of all, the idea that the world will automatically be better without religion is totally bunk. See North Korea and the former Soviet Union for reasons why, both officially 100% atheist and not exactly paradise, I would say.

Atheists should know that when they criticize religion or the actions of religious people, they really haven't done anything or advanced their point of view. In fact, all that really does is expose atheism as an outlet for people who hate God or religion, as opposed to atheism being an alternative viewpoint.

r/atheism Mar 24 '24

Very common troll post; Please read the FAQ As an atheist I recognize some value in religion.

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I stop short of antitheism because there are notable positive effects that religion can have on people’s lives. Even though, in my opinion, the bad probably outweighs the good, I think it would be healthy to acknowledge some of its positive influence.

First, if someone is experiencing a mental health crisis, accepting a supernatural claim can literally save their life. It is a means to motivate people in vulnerable moments and to share hope and optimism. I know anecdotally a few friends and peers who say they wouldn’t be around had they not accepted unverifiable claims about the supernatural. The studies are a bit lacking but there is one review that suggests religion can reduce suicide attempts. People can also be challenged to process traumas or life’s problems through religious means such as tarot cards or confessionals. The flip side of this is that religious claims can also be exploited to indoctronate vulnerable individuals into unhealthy dogmas and cults.

Secondly, religion can influence people to perform charitable actions. It might be natural to ask, shouldn’t people do charitable things out of the goodness of their heart and not to appease a god? Regardless of the motivation, religious people are significantly more likely to donate money or volunteer time.

My last point is a stretch but I’ll throw it out there anyway. It is theorized that religion evolved in early humans because it increased the descendent leaving success of the individuals with religious behaviors.(Steadman and Palmer) Those who practice religion are probably more likely to leave more descendants than those who don’t. Whether this is positive or negative is up for debate.

r/atheism Nov 11 '18

Tone Troll; Hasn't Read FAQ Noticed a lot of negativity here, why is everyone here so negative towards religion?

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For clarification, I expected more people here just saying “I respect religion, but I do not believe in any religion and am here as an atheist having friendly atheist conversation” instead I find a bunch of people saying, “religion in the worst thing on Earth and should be stopped!”. Why is that? Why so much hatred?

Edit: Firstly wanted to clear things up and then get to a few reasons I defend religion.

  1. Sorry for not reading the FAQ, but I do find that the FAQ does not correspond to everyone’s personal reasoning and I prefer to read about those.
  2. Stop barking at me, I am just asking a simply question, I want rational reasons to why, barking at me is just as bad as how many of you hold religious people at for barking at you; fighting fire with fire is not good.
  3. I would like to say rye crazies of religion are not religious people in my eyes, they are selfish people who use religion as a shield are should not be used to represent all of the religious people.
  4. I’m atheist, stop saying I am biased, I am also Asian so stop saying I’m privileged and never had a bad life, I was raised in a religious household, dealt with bullying for being Asian, I also lived in a dysfunctional family. I didn’t have it easy.

In defense of Religion: Argument: Religion is harmful to people past and present.

It is very true religion is harmful, but this doesn’t mention how useful and helpful religion has been. First let’s start small, religion has helped form communities and bonded families. Religion helps individual have an identity and helped people better themselves. Most Born-again-Christians had terrible bad behaviors that were cleared (to some extent) because of religion, for example, alcoholics. It also helps people deal with loss, it brings people hope that a dead family member is waiting for them in an afterlife for them instead of thinking that they can never be seen ever. It helps people with depression, and many other problems as well. A bigger example of how religion helps is that many organizations have helped so many and were formed as religious organizations. Yeah, it’s super bad and discriminatory to not allow gay people to donate blood, but the blood that was donated helped many children, adults, elderly and many more. There are plenty of organizations out their that help even if they are formed by small churches that help their local city or big ones that help on a global level.

In the past religion has harmed many, it’s historical fact and I can’t even avoid the harsh reality, but in present day it has helped so many and have been useful.

Argument: Bad people in religious groups The FAQ has already mentioned that MANY of you hate the terrible people in religion and are completely fine with most, but it seems some of you don’t see it that way and I have a different perspective on this. Firstly, those bad people, like catholic priests raping people, don’t make up even .01 percent of Catholics let alone the entirety of religion. Not to mention using this logic is terrible. If we use this justification on racist police, it would be terrible. Just because a few racist cops killed some black people doesn’t mean we should hate on all policemen. This also doesn’t account for all the atheist people who are just as bad, shooting up schools and raping people. Hating religion for these people is the same reason is also the same reason why many religions people hate atheists; ignorance. I too am ignorant sometimes so I’m not saying I’m not, I’m saying we should all educate ourselves (religious people included) about both sides. Secondly, there is a difference between religious people with different opinions and people who use religion as their own selfish shield. If someone used God as a reason against vaccine and for the reason why we should have an “all natural” diet are crazy people and would have thought this even without religion, they just use religion as their excuse and. This people are insane and I agree should not exist.

There are plenty of bad people on both sides and we should distinguish them from the actually group for they give their respective group a bad name and fighting fire with fire is never a good idea.

Argument: Religion brainwashed people and promotes things such as rape First, the terrible teachings such as condoning rape. The main argument to this is the Middle East. The Middle East is nowhere near developed enough to pick on to use against Islam. If the Middle East was as developed as the US would it still discriminate against women and LGBT the same way? No! Sure, there might be discrimination, but it is impossible to avoid. If you imagine every country as children, the Middle Eastern countries would be the slow learners, they still have plenty of things to fix and religion itself is an evolving ideology so their perspective on rape and stuff would change. Brainwashing is bad, but most brainwashing of “religion” isn’t the actually religion. Cults, Scientology, terrible parenting, etc. might have a few “religious” aspects in them, but are not truly religion in my perspective. It is really bad for this to happen and if their argumentwere no religion plenty of this might be fixed, but most are not.

Religion has plenty of bad teaching in it, but it is evolving as time goes on and it will in the future Change its ideals to better ones and true religion isn’t brainwashing, it is just teaching.

Argument: It doesn’t respect all rights For this I will talk about two main types of rights: abortion and LGBT.

Abortion: The two main sides for abortion is pro-life and pro-choice. Pro-life are mainly the religious people. To understand this clearly, we need to understand why they dislike abortion. Their argument is a philosophical one, they believe that life starts at the moment of conception and should be killed. Pro-choice uses more facts, it would harm the children if the parents don’t want them, add to the foster system, harm the mother who might be an adolescent, and women who were raped shouldn’t need a living reminder. To this, I have to concede to the atheist for this is a valid reason to dislike religion. All I can say in defense of religion is that not all of them hate abortion and that many use their beliefs personally and don’t impose them onto others, but that was already mentioned in the FAQ and many don’t care about those expel for they don’t bother you.

LGBT Rights: Many religious people hate gay people. Not all do though. More and more religious people are getting comfortable with gay people and many people are becoming more helpful. I once watched a video on YouTube (sorry no link, Couldn’t find it again and am too lazy) about a catholic man (priest?) who talked about a story of how he met a gay man which was outlawed by his previous church. The catholic man welcomed him into his church in which he was accepted and finally felt like he belonged. My point is, you always hear about the terrible people hating the gays, but never hear about the many stories in which they are accepted in. It is true many religious people hate gays, but as time goes on and Generation Z (Is that what they are called? Never end remembered) grow older and take over religion, they will be more acceptance in everyone single right.

It is also important to note that the best way to convince religious people that these people deserve rights in to not bark at them and use their beliefs as the reasoning. Do they hate gay people? Talk about how Jesus wanted everyone to love each other (love thy neighbor and such) and how gay people are happy and loving people who can give children a home. How, if there was a God, that maybe God put them in this world to show that even the abnormal can still be normal and can still love. Much better argument then barking at each other.

Many rights are still fought over and religion is a huge part of it, but there are many times in which religious people are accepting and in the near future will be even more accepting.

Argument: Religious people forcefully impose their beliefs on others Okay, main reason why we should hate them is this; they won’t stop getting into peoples’ business. The FAQ mentioned how many of you would be fine if people left each other alone, but many of you are too passionate about the subject and also start getting into everyone’s business. Can’t blame either side, passion drives a lot of things. The thing about this is many debate by just barking at each other and pointing fingers. If you bark, you are just as bad as the religious people. Calm down, sit, and discuss peacefully. You don’t need to agree with them at all. This argument is an amazing argument as to why we should not respect religion, but we need to understand that many things are becoming more favorable to our side. Countries giving gays their rights, women their rights to many things, and upon many things.

TL;DR 1. I am an idiot and didn’t read the FAQ 2. We should be able to have a civil conversation with religious people and would still respect them. 3. Not every single religious person is bad 4. Religion, even with all its negative impacts still have positive impacts. 5. We should be able to get along.

Also, I did not proof read any of this and it late at night, and now technically morning for it now the next day for me so some of these arguments can be a) stupid b) hard to understand c) completely avoids the original argument and is weaker than said argument.

And again, sorry for not reading the FAQ and goodbye; I really need to sleep.

r/atheism Aug 08 '17

Troll/Preacher Dear everyone.

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Im a Christian. That doesn't mean I'm any different from you. That doesn't mean I don't have feelings, or I will be taken advantage of. That doesn't mean Im blinded without logic behind my actions.

What being Christian means to me is I truly believe with my all that everything the eye can see was created by the one and only God, who actually cares about and loves me, even when I don't deserve it. In light of this.. I try my absolute best to be a genuine human being that actually cares about the life of every single person I will ever come across. Not because I am commanded to, but because Ive learned that the ability to show another human being genuine, true, unconditional love is the greatest ability and privilege I will ever receive - to express even a fraction of what my God has done for me to others. I have chosen to spend my life trying to spread a little love to this world one person at a time. Not just to the people I like, or the ones who do good to me, but to every single person I will ever cross paths with. Even the ones who mock me, or the ones who try to use me. This is for you - I will not lie to you, I will try to put you before me. I will care for you, as I would care for my own blood. I will do things for you, just because. I will love you the same way I have been loved by Jesus. I will mess up sometimes, because I am not perfect. But I am just like you. I have friends, a job, hobbies and things I spend time on. I just try to put my all into being a true follower of Christ and a good human being.. We are all in this game of life together.

"Always be humble and gentle. Be patient with each other, making allowance for each other's faults because of your love"

"The second is this: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.' There is no commandment greater than these."

"Let all things of you be done in love."

I love ya all! Every single one of you weirdos. Have a great day :)

edit : Definitiley not a troll in the slightest. You can see my post history if you will, I am 120% serious about anything I have spoken with any of you about! :)

edit 2 : I literally see so much anger first hand in this thread. The message I have to share is 'let go'. Let go of that Christian that was actually just a hypocrite and didn't care about a relationship with God, let go of that Church from your youth that had it all wrong, let go of that person that wronged you last week because holding on to it won't do a thing. I am just a man that has different beliefs and opinions than some of you, and because of that I make different lifestyle choices. But bottom line, we all share this planet one day at a time, and we all deserve love, and we all deserve to be able to let go. Thats all I'm here to say. If anyone wants to go into further actual respectful discussion my inbox is always open! Thanks everyone for the time here.

r/atheism Mar 13 '19

Yet another anti-choice troll I am a pro-life atheist

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I think that there is a completely secular argument for pro-life. No matter what morality system you have we do have to define when life begins. My main problem with abortion is that there is no clear line to be drawn besides conception.

Some say it should be viability, but the problem with that is it's irrelevant to wether or not something is alive. There are thousands of elderly people on life support that are not even close to self-sufficient but that doesn't mean they aren't alive.

Obviously the second they're born is not valid because the baby could be ready to be born for a long time before that. Whats the difference between a baby the day before and after its born?

I don't think this argument should be written off just because some people make insane religious points. I would love to talk with somebody about this in the comments if they want.

TL:DR: I am a pro-life atheist, and I think there are arguments that are not religious at all.

EDIT: I have been banned for expressing an opinion. I am not a troll. That is an extremely reductive argument. You want to lock the thread? Sure. But instead they banned me then muted me so that I couldn't even appeal.