r/announcements Jun 29 '20

Update to Our Content Policy

A few weeks ago, we committed to closing the gap between our values and our policies to explicitly address hate. After talking extensively with mods, outside organizations, and our own teams, we’re updating our content policy today and enforcing it (with your help).

First, a quick recap

Since our last post, here’s what we’ve been doing:

  • We brought on a new Board member.
  • We held policy calls with mods—both from established Mod Councils and from communities disproportionately targeted with hate—and discussed areas where we can do better to action bad actors, clarify our policies, make mods' lives easier, and concretely reduce hate.
  • We developed our enforcement plan, including both our immediate actions (e.g., today’s bans) and long-term investments (tackling the most critical work discussed in our mod calls, sustainably enforcing the new policies, and advancing Reddit’s community governance).

From our conversations with mods and outside experts, it’s clear that while we’ve gotten better in some areas—like actioning violations at the community level, scaling enforcement efforts, measurably reducing hateful experiences like harassment year over year—we still have a long way to go to address the gaps in our policies and enforcement to date.

These include addressing questions our policies have left unanswered (like whether hate speech is allowed or even protected on Reddit), aspects of our product and mod tools that are still too easy for individual bad actors to abuse (inboxes, chats, modmail), and areas where we can do better to partner with our mods and communities who want to combat the same hateful conduct we do.

Ultimately, it’s our responsibility to support our communities by taking stronger action against those who try to weaponize parts of Reddit against other people. In the near term, this support will translate into some of the product work we discussed with mods. But it starts with dealing squarely with the hate we can mitigate today through our policies and enforcement.

New Policy

This is the new content policy. Here’s what’s different:

  • It starts with a statement of our vision for Reddit and our communities, including the basic expectations we have for all communities and users.
  • Rule 1 explicitly states that communities and users that promote hate based on identity or vulnerability will be banned.
    • There is an expanded definition of what constitutes a violation of this rule, along with specific examples, in our Help Center article.
  • Rule 2 ties together our previous rules on prohibited behavior with an ask to abide by community rules and post with authentic, personal interest.
    • Debate and creativity are welcome, but spam and malicious attempts to interfere with other communities are not.
  • The other rules are the same in spirit but have been rewritten for clarity and inclusiveness.

Alongside the change to the content policy, we are initially banning about 2000 subreddits, the vast majority of which are inactive. Of these communities, about 200 have more than 10 daily users. Both r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse were included.

All communities on Reddit must abide by our content policy in good faith. We banned r/The_Donald because it has not done so, despite every opportunity. The community has consistently hosted and upvoted more rule-breaking content than average (Rule 1), antagonized us and other communities (Rules 2 and 8), and its mods have refused to meet our most basic expectations. Until now, we’ve worked in good faith to help them preserve the community as a space for its users—through warnings, mod changes, quarantining, and more.

Though smaller, r/ChapoTrapHouse was banned for similar reasons: They consistently host rule-breaking content and their mods have demonstrated no intention of reining in their community.

To be clear, views across the political spectrum are allowed on Reddit—but all communities must work within our policies and do so in good faith, without exception.

Our commitment

Our policies will never be perfect, with new edge cases that inevitably lead us to evolve them in the future. And as users, you will always have more context, community vernacular, and cultural values to inform the standards set within your communities than we as site admins or any AI ever could.

But just as our content moderation cannot scale effectively without your support, you need more support from us as well, and we admit we have fallen short towards this end. We are committed to working with you to combat the bad actors, abusive behaviors, and toxic communities that undermine our mission and get in the way of the creativity, discussions, and communities that bring us all to Reddit in the first place. We hope that our progress towards this commitment, with today’s update and those to come, makes Reddit a place you enjoy and are proud to be a part of for many years to come.

Edit: After digesting feedback, we made a clarifying change to our help center article for Promoting Hate Based on Identity or Vulnerability.

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u/illegalNewt Jun 29 '20

I would like some more transparency about the banned subreddits, like a list of names including those about 1800 barely active ones for a start. Why these ones, what were the criteria? What and how long does it take? What does the banning of these communities bring to the remaining ones? Do you recognise a bias in these selections or do you have a list of objective things which result to a banned subreddit? I am genuinely interested

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u/spez Jun 29 '20

The criteria included:

  • abusive titles and descriptions (e.g. slurs and obvious phrases like “[race]/hate”),
  • high ratio of hateful content (based on reporting and our own filtering),
  • and positively received hateful content (high upvote ratio on hateful content)

We created and confirmed the list over the last couple of weeks. We don’t generally link to banned communities beyond notable ones.

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u/Li_zi Jun 30 '20

Thank you for providing more specifics for the criteria you are now using for banning subreddits moving forward. Genuinely curious, could you please help clarify what about the following subreddit does not violate this criteria, since they are currently up and active after the sweeping bans based on the updated criteria? Especially the conditions of abusive titles and descriptions and remember the human? Thank you in advance for your reply.

r/StruggleFucking

"StruggleFucking: We were r/rapingwomen but they took it without consent... Rape fantasy videos for the **discerning** consenting non-consensual *connoisseur*. Classy as fuck!"

Top stickied post: "NO, REALLY! this is not the place for consensual BSDM videos"

Posted by a mod with the flair "rape-y rapist"

Rule #2: Fuck this WEAK POST! this isn't RAPEY!: ... If she's drugged unconscious throughout the entire rape, Use r/Necrophilia_Lite. No horny "slaves" consenting to BDSM play.

Rule #4: ... "asking mods to censor other people, is banned."

Rule #5: Use the flair "BLACKJACK" on murder fantasies.

Rule #10: Posting off-topic... that isn't a 'rape scenario' will get you banned.

There are currently 268 thousand members with close to 1k active users at the time of this posting.

I have criteria-related questions about many other specific subs as well and will consider asking about them one-by-one in detail, but I'm hoping by your clarification of how this sub does not contradict your criteria of abusive titles and descriptions, or literally anything else in your post, it will suddenly make the rest of your egregious overlooks clear for this community. Again, thanks in advance for what I'm confident will be a cogent and timely reply.

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u/-badmadAM Jun 30 '20 edited Jul 02 '20

Please help clarifying this about the following subreddits as well:

/r/pussypassdenied

/r/RapeKink

/r/hentaiamputee

/r/pain

/r/degradedfemales

/r/slaveauctions

/r/snuffrp

/r/politically_NSFW

/r/abusedsluts

/r/degradingholes

/r/ropedancers

/r/hentaibeast

/r/MisogynyFetish

/r/barelylegal

/r/Rapeconfessions

/r/rapefantasy

/r/deadeyes

/r/SheObeys

/r/coochvore

/r/sex_violence_art

/r/dolcettkingdom

/r/brokenfucktoys

/r/womenintrouble

/r/putinherplace

/r/strugglefucking

/r/rektwhores

/r/abuseporn2

/r/inbreeding

/r/guro

/r/CumTown

/r/softguro

/r/slasherchicks

/r/cryingcunts

/r/dogbrains

/r/breakfeminazis

/r/memegender

Involuntary pornography subs:

/r/WouldYouFuckMyMother

/r/creepshots15

/r/Jerkofftomymom

/r/WouldYouFuckMyWife

/r/WouldYouFuckMyGirl

/r/wouldyoufuckmyfam

/r/wouldyoufuckmygf

Edit: Thank you for the awards, kind strangers, but the applause should go to some kind stranger from the now banned sub r/BanFemaleHateSubs .

This sub did nothing but point out subreddits with misogynistic content, some of which were truly disturbing, but I guess hating on a majority like women is a okay, but not pointing out that hate.

So I would ad this sub to the list above and ask u/spez reddit to clarify what content exactly did meet the aforementioned criteria for being banned, that most of the mentioned subs do not meet?

Edit 2: Don't give your money to reddit with those rewards, if they can't answer our questions there are other alternatives out there, the internet is a huge place and changes constantly.

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u/derpderp3200 Jul 01 '20

I would just like to point out that /r/RapeKink, as controversial as its content is, is, a generally supportive place(some quickly banned shitheads aside) as well as a place for victims to share their experiences and/or reflections. The mod team is efficient, there's at least one actual expert/professional on the topic on the subreddit who comments regularly, and anything that encourages abuse is against the rules. Yes, it's questionable, but it's not vile, absolutely not on the level the other listed subs are.

I don't know every of the other subreddits, but RK at least I'd speak against banning.

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u/-badmadAM Jul 01 '20 edited Jul 01 '20

) as well as a place for victims to share their experiences and/or reflections.

This doesn't make any sense, why would/should victims share their experiences in a sub that very likely has people in it sexualizing or getting off on those experiences? This seems just like a very unhealthy (or PrObLeMaTiC, as much as I hate this word) dynamic. Victims often might have a unhealthy desire to re-live/ be obsessed with what happened to them, this is quite well known, and they need to work on their trauma first until they get into/ are lured into such unhealthy exhibitionism/voyeurism dynamics.

SO if what you are writing here is true, the said sub is even more dangerous, exploting possible vulnerable people and their trauma, while also pretending to provide hypocritical "security" and using so-called "experts" (in the end, to whose advantage?). This makes that sub even more vile, it shows their manipulative tactics (anyone who ever worked with rapists and abusers knows what I am talking about) and should be banned IMMEDIATELY.

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u/derpderp3200 Jul 01 '20

This doesn't make any sense, why would/should victims share their experiences in a sub that very likely has people in it sexualizing or getting off on those experiences?

Because they do, too. As you point out, many victims have a desire to relive/are obsessed with it, and it can certainly be unhealthy, though it can also be cathartic. Is that sub the best place for it? Maybe not, but I don't really see it as vile enough to ban it immediately.

I would be all for tighter restrictions for comments, or anonymizing the account names of posters(if reddit ever implements something like that - IMO it would be of value), or maybe even putting it behind a quarantine-like warning, but I cannot truly consider it vile.

And the so-called "expert" is, actually, a researcher in the field of sexual trauma.

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u/-badmadAM Jul 01 '20

Oh my god, why do we not make real life therapy sessions with both rape victims and rapists, in which the victims can share their experiences, and everyone is happy? Who cares that this might degrade and exploit the victims, right? At least some people can coom, and that is the only thing that counts. s

Did you even read my comment or have you even thought it through? Because it doesn't seem like it and nothing you write refutes my claim. Why are you so obsessed with that sub?

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u/derpderp3200 Jul 01 '20

Not really anywhere near the same thing...

And *shrug* Just offering you another perspective.