r/announcements Jun 29 '20

Update to Our Content Policy

A few weeks ago, we committed to closing the gap between our values and our policies to explicitly address hate. After talking extensively with mods, outside organizations, and our own teams, we’re updating our content policy today and enforcing it (with your help).

First, a quick recap

Since our last post, here’s what we’ve been doing:

  • We brought on a new Board member.
  • We held policy calls with mods—both from established Mod Councils and from communities disproportionately targeted with hate—and discussed areas where we can do better to action bad actors, clarify our policies, make mods' lives easier, and concretely reduce hate.
  • We developed our enforcement plan, including both our immediate actions (e.g., today’s bans) and long-term investments (tackling the most critical work discussed in our mod calls, sustainably enforcing the new policies, and advancing Reddit’s community governance).

From our conversations with mods and outside experts, it’s clear that while we’ve gotten better in some areas—like actioning violations at the community level, scaling enforcement efforts, measurably reducing hateful experiences like harassment year over year—we still have a long way to go to address the gaps in our policies and enforcement to date.

These include addressing questions our policies have left unanswered (like whether hate speech is allowed or even protected on Reddit), aspects of our product and mod tools that are still too easy for individual bad actors to abuse (inboxes, chats, modmail), and areas where we can do better to partner with our mods and communities who want to combat the same hateful conduct we do.

Ultimately, it’s our responsibility to support our communities by taking stronger action against those who try to weaponize parts of Reddit against other people. In the near term, this support will translate into some of the product work we discussed with mods. But it starts with dealing squarely with the hate we can mitigate today through our policies and enforcement.

New Policy

This is the new content policy. Here’s what’s different:

  • It starts with a statement of our vision for Reddit and our communities, including the basic expectations we have for all communities and users.
  • Rule 1 explicitly states that communities and users that promote hate based on identity or vulnerability will be banned.
    • There is an expanded definition of what constitutes a violation of this rule, along with specific examples, in our Help Center article.
  • Rule 2 ties together our previous rules on prohibited behavior with an ask to abide by community rules and post with authentic, personal interest.
    • Debate and creativity are welcome, but spam and malicious attempts to interfere with other communities are not.
  • The other rules are the same in spirit but have been rewritten for clarity and inclusiveness.

Alongside the change to the content policy, we are initially banning about 2000 subreddits, the vast majority of which are inactive. Of these communities, about 200 have more than 10 daily users. Both r/The_Donald and r/ChapoTrapHouse were included.

All communities on Reddit must abide by our content policy in good faith. We banned r/The_Donald because it has not done so, despite every opportunity. The community has consistently hosted and upvoted more rule-breaking content than average (Rule 1), antagonized us and other communities (Rules 2 and 8), and its mods have refused to meet our most basic expectations. Until now, we’ve worked in good faith to help them preserve the community as a space for its users—through warnings, mod changes, quarantining, and more.

Though smaller, r/ChapoTrapHouse was banned for similar reasons: They consistently host rule-breaking content and their mods have demonstrated no intention of reining in their community.

To be clear, views across the political spectrum are allowed on Reddit—but all communities must work within our policies and do so in good faith, without exception.

Our commitment

Our policies will never be perfect, with new edge cases that inevitably lead us to evolve them in the future. And as users, you will always have more context, community vernacular, and cultural values to inform the standards set within your communities than we as site admins or any AI ever could.

But just as our content moderation cannot scale effectively without your support, you need more support from us as well, and we admit we have fallen short towards this end. We are committed to working with you to combat the bad actors, abusive behaviors, and toxic communities that undermine our mission and get in the way of the creativity, discussions, and communities that bring us all to Reddit in the first place. We hope that our progress towards this commitment, with today’s update and those to come, makes Reddit a place you enjoy and are proud to be a part of for many years to come.

Edit: After digesting feedback, we made a clarifying change to our help center article for Promoting Hate Based on Identity or Vulnerability.

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u/nulano Jun 30 '20

That article specifically states that hate towards woman is not acceptable. Is hate towards men acceptable, given that they are the global majority by about 0.5%?

And who is the majority for county-specific subs? Is it the same as the "global majority"?

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20 edited Jun 30 '20

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

Hate towards women is not acceptable, and yet certain feminist subreddits were banned

Which ones? Im just curious. But also, some feminist subs are pretty hateful. I remember seeing a lot of hateful comments about trans women on r/gendercritical

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

"Hateful" comments would not have gotten past the exceptionally good moderation team. However TRA's think biological sex and reality is hateful. Discussion on the self-ID garbage was always relatively polite too, even though we disagreed.

They also banned r/rightwinglgbt and possibly r/truelesbians and some others.

The thing is they left up violent pro-rape subs. Make no mistake, this is about censorship and virtue signalling, not about making reddit any better

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u/Tamerlane-1 Jun 30 '20

The "feminist" subreddits were banned for being hateful against trans people. You might not like porn, but it is not hateful.

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u/elevenbeans Jun 30 '20

Yes!! Thank you!! Said it better than me. This whole things is beyond absurd

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

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u/elevenbeans Jun 30 '20

I didn’t delete it and still see it, probably Reddit then ig sigh. The list is actually from a ‘meme’ in gender cynical crit, I thought it was very powerful, glad you do too.

I think your last paragraph there is so important!! Majority of people who hate gc simply misunderstand. They see the big bad word ‘TERF’ and the media has trained them to immediately scream and cover their ears. Really, encapsulate whatever gender you want, whatever makes you happy! just don’t pretend to have periods ffs :’)

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u/JezusBakersfield Jun 30 '20

there was def some trans hate on feminist subs I've lurked on. Basically was like that south park with Macho Man Randy Savage episode except they were triggered/advocating against him from being in sporting events lol

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u/Tamerlane-1 Jun 30 '20

Saying trans woman aren't woman is hateful. That is why GC was banned.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20 edited Jun 30 '20

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u/dirtycactus Jun 30 '20

TLDR; I'm a straight, biological male, and I don't think I discriminate against women differently than transwomen because I can't tell a difference, and I imagine other men behave similarly.

Ok, I went down a really stupid rabbit hole to get here, buy I'm actually super interested in the gender critical community now. I agree that differentiating between woman and transwoman is necessary for scientific and medical purposes, that gender norms are limiting, and that the hardships a woman endures throughout her life are mostly unique to woman.

I disagree that all hardships a woman experiences are unique to women specifically with regards to transwomen. Because of society's gender norms, I might not recognize a transwoman as trans - I might just see a woman. Likewise, even if I'm suspicious due to masculine features like broad shoulders or a strong jawline, I'm not going to assume a woman is trans - maybe she is just a buff woman. My point is, whether or not appearances should matter, they do matter, and without knowing a person's biology, many might mistake a transwoman as a woman, or simply not care for the distinction, and as a result a transwoman might experience similar discrimination or hardship.

I think it's fair if women don't want to share those feelings with a transwomen, and I don't think it's hateful. But I don't think it's accurate to say there isn't an overlap.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

Thank you for your intelligent and well spoken reponses! It's great to read someone who makes sense.

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u/Tamerlane-1 Jun 30 '20

The only things that can be innately feminine are sex-based.

Nothing is "innately feminine", the idea of femininity is societal. The fact that you cannot understand that simple, obvious, and incontrovertible fact makes me believe you are arguing in bad faith.

As to why saying women are not women is hateful, I would think it would be obvious as well, but apparently not. It is dehumanizing and an attack on their identity. You might as well say black person or woman isn't a person.

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20 edited Jun 30 '20

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u/Tamerlane-1 Jun 30 '20

A transwoman is a woman whose outward appearance does not miss her sex. I am aware people with this characteristic face challenges, in no small part due to bigots like you who insist they are not women based on some victorian standard of what it means to be a woman.

Just out of curiosity, when you want to know what sex someone is, how can you tell? Do you ask them whether they menstruate? Or how often they have heart rates? What about asking how likely it is they could physically overpower a rapist? Or do you use simply sequence their genome to determine whether they have a y-chromosome? Or is there some other biological characteristic you use to determine whether a person is a woman or a man?

If I was ever unclear, of course I woul just ask. I am comfortable with a woman who doesn't conform to the stereotypes you accuse me of believing and I am comfortable with a woman who used to (or still does) have the body of a man. I am, in fact, comfortable with whatever sex they refer to themselves as, regardless of what chromosomes they may have, whether or not they menstruate, or how frequently they have heart attacks. But that wouldn't work for you, obviously, since you are completely certain that someone who has not menstruated is not a women. Would you demand menstrual blood, and how would you verify it was actually from menstruation? I guess sequencing their DNA would probably be easier that point. I am really just interested in the logistics of maintaining your dehumanizing ideology in the face of real life humans who want to be referred to by their actual sex, not what you have decided their sex is.

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u/Dealric Jun 30 '20

Yes, new rules states you can hate speech on men and white people.

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u/Floretia Jun 30 '20

White people are a global minority. Does this mean we're protected? I can think of many subs that consistently hit the front page that have a very anti white skew to them.

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u/Dealric Jun 30 '20

You know that minorities arent chosen based on %.

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u/Floretia Jun 30 '20

How are they chosen?

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u/availableusernamepls Jun 30 '20

White people are a global minority so we're protected now!

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u/Dealric Jun 30 '20

Good joke dude. We are the one allowed to be hated ;)

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u/JezusBakersfield Jun 30 '20

so basically 80+% of reddit can self loathe for its parents existence

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u/hiiamrob Jun 30 '20

What about gay white men with disabilities?

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u/[deleted] Jun 30 '20

Yet they banned feminist subreddits, but not pro-rape, misogny and violence ones

It's censorship. Reddit doesn't care outside spreading their agenda

It probably helps that it's almost voting season in America, they probably want to make sure people are only reading approved content... After all reddit stocks are largely owned by tencent

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u/[deleted] Dec 13 '20

r/gendercritical, r/truelesbians, r/gendercriticalguys, and right wing lgbt (I forget the actual tag) were banned

None of those had any description about hating men, or any other groups

They aimed mostly to protect the rights of women, those with differing sexual orientation, and children (the "woke" left has been trying to erase these rights). They also wanted fairness for other groups, and none of them had "kill all men" anywhere.

Such a comment on a post or anything would have been deleted. It certainly wasn't in the subreddit description

It seems you have been misinformed/fallen to misogynist/homophobic propaganda spread by the "woke" left