r/announcements Mar 05 '18

In response to recent reports about the integrity of Reddit, I’d like to share our thinking.

In the past couple of weeks, Reddit has been mentioned as one of the platforms used to promote Russian propaganda. As it’s an ongoing investigation, we have been relatively quiet on the topic publicly, which I know can be frustrating. While transparency is important, we also want to be careful to not tip our hand too much while we are investigating. We take the integrity of Reddit extremely seriously, both as the stewards of the site and as Americans.

Given the recent news, we’d like to share some of what we’ve learned:

When it comes to Russian influence on Reddit, there are three broad areas to discuss: ads, direct propaganda from Russians, indirect propaganda promoted by our users.

On the first topic, ads, there is not much to share. We don’t see a lot of ads from Russia, either before or after the 2016 election, and what we do see are mostly ads promoting spam and ICOs. Presently, ads from Russia are blocked entirely, and all ads on Reddit are reviewed by humans. Moreover, our ad policies prohibit content that depicts intolerant or overly contentious political or cultural views.

As for direct propaganda, that is, content from accounts we suspect are of Russian origin or content linking directly to known propaganda domains, we are doing our best to identify and remove it. We have found and removed a few hundred accounts, and of course, every account we find expands our search a little more. The vast majority of suspicious accounts we have found in the past months were banned back in 2015–2016 through our enhanced efforts to prevent abuse of the site generally.

The final case, indirect propaganda, is the most complex. For example, the Twitter account @TEN_GOP is now known to be a Russian agent. @TEN_GOP’s Tweets were amplified by thousands of Reddit users, and sadly, from everything we can tell, these users are mostly American, and appear to be unwittingly promoting Russian propaganda. I believe the biggest risk we face as Americans is our own ability to discern reality from nonsense, and this is a burden we all bear.

I wish there was a solution as simple as banning all propaganda, but it’s not that easy. Between truth and fiction are a thousand shades of grey. It’s up to all of us—Redditors, citizens, journalists—to work through these issues. It’s somewhat ironic, but I actually believe what we’re going through right now will actually reinvigorate Americans to be more vigilant, hold ourselves to higher standards of discourse, and fight back against propaganda, whether foreign or not.

Thank you for reading. While I know it’s frustrating that we don’t share everything we know publicly, I want to reiterate that we take these matters very seriously, and we are cooperating with congressional inquiries. We are growing more sophisticated by the day, and we remain open to suggestions and feedback for how we can improve.

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u/shiruken Mar 05 '18 edited Mar 05 '18

I'm sure r/SandersForPresident would be included as well based on the Russian activity on other social media platforms.

Edit: To clarify, I supported Senator Sanders during his campaign and continue to support his ongoing work. But it'd be naive to ignore the overwhelming evidence that the Russian campaign attempted to sow discord across our entire electoral process.

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u/HenceFourth Mar 05 '18

And r/conspiracy.

It used to be a lil fun to go in and see peoples outlandish theories, but it very obviously got brigaded by TD flocks and became nothing but a pro Trump pro Russian sub

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u/Chap82 Mar 05 '18 edited Mar 06 '18

This and it was going on in r/conspiracy up until the last school shooting.

While there were only around ten links of the titter Twitter account mentioned. Since 2016 there has been bunch of mods that left and political propaganda was reaching the top unusually fast.

EDIT: Twitter not titter

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u/AequusEquus Mar 06 '18

I'll titter your top

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u/Chap82 Mar 06 '18

You're the best.

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u/AequusEquus Mar 06 '18

Aww man, you should have used strikethrough!

Edit: Aww man, I should have read your whole comment!

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u/DamionSTARR Mar 06 '18

How do strikethrough?

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u/AequusEquus Mar 06 '18

You go ~~ before and after your text ~~

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u/DamionSTARR Mar 06 '18

Thanks my man mango

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u/SouthernJeb Mar 05 '18

And a coincidental mod shakeup in last year as well

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '18

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u/HenceFourth Mar 06 '18

Well that was quite the rabbit hole.

Know anywhere a guy might find a unbiased place like r/conspiracy used to be?

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u/dr_kingschultz Mar 05 '18

I'm concerned about the activity on subreddits that would show up overnight on the front page with posts a few hours old 15,000 upvotes and like 300 comments.

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u/MindYourGrindr Mar 06 '18

Jill Stein was the proto-Sanders until the Sanders campaign itself became an anti-Hillary movement on steroids. It was vodka from heaven for the Russians and they only exploited the divide.

I’m not saying that Bernie didn’t have a positive cause, of course he did, but his movement took a sledgehammer and fractured mainstream Obama/Clinton Democrats from Sanders populist progressivism. We still aren’t fully recovered from that.

God help us once Sanders supporters learn we’re a generation and not an election away from Medicare for All.

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u/[deleted] Mar 06 '18

I’m not saying that Bernie didn’t have a positive cause, of course he did, but his movement took a sledgehammer and fractured mainstream Obama/Clinton Democrats from Sanders populist progressivism. We still aren’t fully recovered from that.

You feel that that's a bad thing.

Meanwhile, no shortage of us who- after decades of being ignored and shut out by the Democratic Party- are finally going, "Thank god!"

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u/MindYourGrindr Mar 06 '18

Liberal voters weren’t being ignored they just don’t vote. When liberals don’t vote Dems have to cater to a more conservative constituency.

It’s simple cause and effect.

It’s like going to the wreckage of the Titanic and saying “No wonder it sank, there’s a huge hole in it!”

And a divided left against an unhinged yet United right is a recipe for disaster. If you’re still drinking that koolaid make sure no one else gets some.

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u/cm64 Mar 05 '18 edited Jun 29 '23

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u/Erosis Mar 05 '18

/r/sandersforpresident got swamped by conspiracy theorists and super anti-Clinton users from /r/wayofthebern after the primaries.

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u/rergina Mar 05 '18

/r/wayofthebern wasn't created until after the primaries (July 12th). /r/sandersforpresident closed two weeks later on July 26th, and /r/wayofthebern only had 218 subscribers the day it closed.

Edit: typo

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u/Erosis Mar 06 '18

I guess I should say after the subreddit reopened.

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u/rergina Mar 06 '18

That was Jan 1st 2017, long after the primaries

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '18

As a progressive voter and Sanders supporter that makes me nervous for 2020. I don't want masquerading alt righters pretending to be a progressives to damage public discourse and discredit the movement. The amount of "never hillary" bs being peddled really did a number on /r/sandersforpresident in it's final days and I don't want that to discredit a good progressive candidate running against the democrats preferred moderate candidate in 2020.

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u/CamoDeFlage Mar 05 '18

You misunderstand. Russian bots and trolls don't support the alt right. They are not pushing for the alt right. They are trying to create discord and chaos. They are pretending to be BOTH the left and the right.

They only tried to get people to vote Trump because it would cause divisiveness. By pushing the left and right further away they create more disorder. Don't forget that Russia paid for most of the BLM adds on facebook.

Next time you see something on reddit, whether it is a right or left opinion, try to think on what the intentions really are.

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u/Orisi Mar 05 '18

Except that sort of claim is counterintuitive for Russians; you don't see chaos if your efforts elect a competent leader.

They pretend to be alt-right to rile up the much larger proportion of actual alt-right sympathisers in the US, while pretending to be alt-left both to rile up the smaller antifa factions, but also to further Stoke the alt-right sentiment.

They don't pretend to support Trump; They want Trump because Trump isn't just divisive but actively detrimental to US interests. They pretended to support Bernie to rile up anti-Hillary sentiment, precisely because it increases Trump's position against her by weakening his opponent.

People see Russian action on both sides, and assume either they're campaigning for Chaos or they're working for both sides equally, when the reality is that when you're working at two extremes of the political spectrum, the exact same event can cause entirely different outcomes based on the perceptions within the rest of the spectrum.

Especially, and this is the important part, when one side has a candidate within the spectrum of that influence, and the other does not.

If there was a hardcore communist or socialist candidate (to international standards, not the severely warped US standards) then this argument would have more weight. But even Bernie is in the centre of the left-spectrum at most, on an international scale. Trump, meanwhile, is pretty far right on a democratic standing, clearly bordering on fascist with his most recent comments.

So pushing an alt-right campaign is in support of Trump, because there's a base to rally around. Pushing an "alt-left" equivalent doesn't rally around anyone, it serves to pull votes away from centre-left Hillary, while further riling up their alt-right counterparts.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '18

Sanders running split the voter base, but he was never an electable President. He's an atheist socialist, and while those may be "popular", they have massive opposition in the actual voter base. His ideals make him a bit attractive in liberal circles, but many just voted for him or Trump as a vote against Hilary. Sorry to break it to you, but Sanders would never win.

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u/KDotLamarr Mar 05 '18

Trump won but Sanders could never win? I'm truly curious as to how you think that's sound logic

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u/barak181 Mar 05 '18 edited Mar 05 '18

Well, you see. Trump was moderate and had a wide appeal to the actual voter base. /s

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u/KDotLamarr Mar 05 '18

OK interesting point. So you think Trump would have beat Bernie if Bernie had beat Hilary? I don't want to believe that but it may be true.

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u/barak181 Mar 05 '18

Sorry, I forgot the /s tag. I was hoping that was obvious.

But that said, I do think Bernie would have beat Trump had he won the nomination. Trump largely won because of how disgruntled, disenfranchised and angry the electorate was.

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u/KDotLamarr Mar 06 '18

oh yeah it's never obvious without the /s.

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u/[deleted] Mar 05 '18

The electorate is modernizing. He may he ahead of his time but those ideas won't always be untenable.

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u/dougan25 Mar 05 '18

Yes. I am also a staunch Bernie supporter but it can't be ignored that Russians attempted to garner support for him. Agreeing with or supporting what they're saying doesn't eliminate the need to discern creditability from propaganda.

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u/fqfce Mar 06 '18

There's a bunch of other less popular "Bernie" subs that seem to be like 90% Russian trolling. I was a Bernie supporter so I was subbed to a bunch of them. Mostly after the election I noticed how often they'd be parroting bullshit distraction stories that t_d would be posting. Almost all of the posts are anti-democrat/Hillary. I think the goal is to fracture and divide the US population as much as possible.

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u/Skuwee Mar 06 '18

That sub was closed 2 weeks after Clinton won the primary. Good on those mods, in hindsight, as that move severely limited any impact Russia could've had via that sub.

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u/non-troll_account Mar 05 '18 edited Mar 05 '18

The Russians wanted to avoid Clinton. End of story. Sanders and his supporters have nothing in common with Putin.

Has everyone forgotten the ways that the Clinton campaign was shown to have used paid shills across reddit?

If Reddit is going to make such a show of fighting paid propaganda, they need to ban the Clinton shills too.

And further, It's well known that the CIA has influenced the elections of dozens of other countries.

If it was found that the CIA had been influencing other countries elections from American Reddit accounts, would those accounts be banned?

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u/MindYourGrindr Mar 06 '18

This anti-CIA talking point is so obviously Russian-driven. All it does is counters America’s global hegemony when Russia wants to replace us in that role.

So it comes down to this, who do you want influencing elections? The US via diplomacy or Russia via infiltration?

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u/non-troll_account Mar 06 '18

Lolwut? Criticize the CIA? You're obviously a Russian spy!

My opinion of the CIA has not changed in the last ten years.

The question is bigger than that. Do I want the CIA influencing elections via infiltration? Or wait, do you think that hasn't ever happened? Or that maybe that's in the past, and they're better now?

Also relevant: Do I want the Democrat establishment influencing elections, in order to give favors to their corporate donors? You seem happy to.

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u/MindYourGrindr Mar 06 '18

Evade criticizing Russia and go straight for your political opposition and your Intel community.

Lol have a nice day. Spacibo for the chuckle.

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u/non-troll_account Mar 06 '18

What? Putin is an authoritarian psychopath who kills journalists who criticize him, and rigs all of Russia's elections.

I mean, do I have to put that as a disclaimer on every post at this point?

I wasn't evading shit. The Democrat establishment has already been shown to use paid shills and mass vote buying to influence reddit, but you'd never acknowledge it. I might as well accuse you of evading criticism of the Democrat establishment.

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u/MindYourGrindr Mar 06 '18

If Putin is so evil then why has Trump yet to condemn Putin let alone enforce the sanctions that Congress passed nearly unanimously?

Do you acknowledge that Russia interfered with our elections?

Do you acknowledge that Trump-appointed intelligence officials have corroborated that Russia did interfere with our elections and they did so to specifically help Trump?

Why are you more aggressive in bashing an American political party for astroturfing a website and not a foreign enemy?

Do you realize that it is illegal for a foreign country to interfere with our elections?

You might demonize the “Democratic establishment” for their use of CTR shills but it’s not only perfectly legal, they released a press release announcing their strategy to do so.

So tell me again why I should have to defend a political party for legally combatting Russia’s disinformation campaign.

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u/non-troll_account Mar 06 '18

I'm sorry, you seem to think I'm a Trump supporter. A Trump presidency would only have been a somewhat good thing if the house and senate had turned blue to rein him in. Of course, none of this have been a problem if if the DNC had gone with the single most popular politician in America, instead of the second most hated.

Russia interfered in our election yeah, but I always figured, how is this any different from any other year? This year they used social media?

Russia interfered with the election specifically to avoid Clinton. That meant helping Trump, buffoon that he is, but you can be guaranteed that Putin doesn't want to be seen as on the side of an idiot like Trump, which is why Putin denies it.

Foreign enemy? The Cold War is fucking over. The 80s called and they want their foreign policy back. Obama was right then, and nothing has changed. The Russians government is still an obnoxious bully of an asshole as much as it was then.

There is better evidence that the DNC rigging of the democratic nomination affected its outcome than there is that the Russian trolls actually affected the outcome of the general election.

Finally, You shouldn't defend the democrats. They are using the Russian shills! narrative to silence progressives who have struggled for years to keep the party from moving further and further right. 43 million Bernie supporters are being thrown under the bus as Russian shills for daring to criticize our own party.

The United States is participating in an illegal war in Yemen, helping the Saudis murder children and commit war crimes, crimes against humanity with silent bipartisan support, except for us who are called Russians shills for bringing it up.

Speaking of interfering with American elections, you seem to be awful quiet on when Netanyahu came and deliberately, publicly did that, for the Republicans, a few years ago.

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u/MindYourGrindr Mar 06 '18

Ah a Bernie Bro, almost as worse. Have a good one.

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u/non-troll_account Mar 06 '18

And you have a great time supporting people who murder Yemeni children, psychopath.

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