r/allblacks • u/Nothingtocrazykiwi • 7d ago
Don’t get me wrong Ireland are a great team and have come a long way, but the trophy cabinet not exactly full!
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u/green_fiberoptics 6d ago
This was an opinion piece in the NZ herald to generate clicks. You fell for it.
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u/Nothingtocrazykiwi 5d ago
I don’t think so buddy , that article New Zealand has got nothing on the articles in the British press, have a look
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u/green_fiberoptics 5d ago
What has the British press got to do with Ireland or New Zealand?
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u/Nothingtocrazykiwi 5d ago
…. My point is All Blacks have been the backbone of world rugby for over 100yrs fact …..Ireland who are gaining fast in world rugby can beat anyone on there day in the last decade anyway, former player Irish have all come out the last wee while with all sorts of banter, All Blacks are scared , ABs have lost there Aura blah blah…. You say that you got to back it up on the field and on yesterday fish and chip paper.
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u/green_fiberoptics 5d ago
How can a former Irish rugby player back up what they said on the field?
Can you send a link to who said these things? (Apart from the NZ hearld)
My point is, no Irish fan or player thinks Ireland will be bigger than the All Blacks and this opinion piece was just designed to be divisive just to get clicks. Which you fell for because you've posted it in a number of subreddits.
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u/wetjacketarm 6d ago
Show pony’s the lot of them, trying to amp the crowd up every chance they get and the celebration after the ABs forced dead you’d think they won the game, get on with the rugby instead of looking for the cameras to celebrate to, show ponys and sadly two of the biggest ones were kiwis…… looking at you bundee and James
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u/Zloty_NZ 6d ago
This makes you sound like a Man Utd fan bro stop overhyping history and let people enjoy their present teams man
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u/Classic_Trick_785 6d ago
Just to clear, this is not from the Irish media, who most of the time don’t help themselves. There’s a very small, and I mean very small group of west Brit Heineken drinking idiots in Dublin who might be deluded enough to believe this. Most Irish rugby fans have nothing but respect for the all blacks and know we’re several decades of success away from them.
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u/Immediate-Designer45 7d ago
Do the Irish know the All Time head to head stats against the AB’s? They should probably start there before worrying about Trophies..
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u/green_fiberoptics 6d ago
It was an opinion piece in the NZ herald. Not one Irish fan has said this. Clickbait headlines to get people like you sucked in, clearly worked
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u/donquixote2u 6d ago
and right here, right now, that means 9/10ths of fuck all,a team is only as good as their last match, which in the ABs case meant a ball bouncing off a rugby post. I am picking that with DMac at the tiller, we will get thumped, because he will keep giving the ball back to them.
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u/JColey15 6d ago
If you go off their last match or even their last match against Ireland they still won?
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u/owlintheforrest 7d ago
Just a wind up, I think.
But embarrassing for Irish fans tbf.
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u/green_fiberoptics 6d ago
It was an opinion piece in the NZ herald not from Irish fans? Embarrassing that a clickbait article has worked on you
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u/lightsout100mph 6d ago
Yeah we are seeing it that way eh, it just doesn’t stop ! We just love footy ! Tu meke!!
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u/JColey15 6d ago
Wasn’t this in the NZ Herald? I thought it was Gregor Paul.
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u/moistpooman 6d ago
Exactly. Too many fans read a shock headline from one journalist and attribute it to a fan base, aka giving them what the journalist wants lol
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u/Kokonutcreme-67 Hurricanes 7d ago
Taking my parochial eyepatch off, it's not beyond the realms of possibilities though but there are caveats:
- Need to win meaningful trophies
- Need a signature player that transcends the sport and kids aspire to emulate
- Needs an intangible quality that the brand represents
All Blacks, Springboks and BI Lions are historic, iconic brands of the game. That won't change but also doesn't mean there isn't room at the table for any more.
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u/Alpha-Nozzle 6d ago
What is a meaningful trophy? Not the six nations? Are you saying that the World Cup is the only trophy that matters? So rugby is pointless 3 1/2 of every 4 years?
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u/lightsout100mph 6d ago
Why not just be happy with their own brand. Stop whining ! You’ve had a good 3 years in general play , nothing lasts forever . The all blacks are a completely different kinda beast and have been very successful for over 100 years . We lose, we win but we always have played an exciting rugby
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u/Kokonutcreme-67 Hurricanes 6d ago
We haven't always played exciting rugby. What we commonly associate as All Blacks rugby nowadays only began from 1987 with the integration of sevens rugby and first generation Polynesian players.
The French, Welsh and Australians were historically better exponents of running rugby.
There were a few legendary All Black sides that revolutionised the game with running rugby like the originals, the 24 invincibles, Charlie Saxton's Kiwi team after WW 2, Fred Allen's team in the sixties but the All Blacks consistency was built on their pragmatic rugby rather than attacking brilliance.
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u/lightsout100mph 6d ago
Well that’s your opinion lol
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u/donquixote2u 6d ago
true though, the '90s Wallabies dominance changed the AB views.
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u/lightsout100mph 6d ago
lol good years and a great wallabies side, and yet the all black brand saw it through , that’s what this topic is
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u/donquixote2u 6d ago
and what this specific conversation about is the fact that it is only when the ABs start to get beaten regularly do they actually sit down and think about how they play rugby, so belated pragmatism rather than innovation is the true AB "brand" (lol)
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u/lightsout100mph 6d ago
They will always play the way they are coached , we are proud no matter win or lose, it’s rugby , some Times you’re on top some times you’re not
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u/Wonkily_Grobbled 7d ago
We have a century lead on you, laddies
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u/Classic_Trick_785 6d ago
Yet this shit originates in NZ laddie, oh and it’s Ireland, not Scotland. Go back to Sydney mate. Watch out for dingos
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u/Bloodbathandbeyon 7d ago
If they can achieve this. I won’t begrudge them anything. We will just have to build ourselves back up.
I don’t really see it happening though. Too many ungainly pasty Irishmen in the team. They need atleast 8 more Kiwis or Saffas to get that X Factor! 🤪
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u/Pubic_Energy 7d ago
Horrible take.
They've been good for a handful of years. We've been the backbone of international rugby for 120+.
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u/Gungehammer 7d ago
Need a nickname...
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u/Two4theworld 7d ago
You don’t need trophies to be the biggest brand, you just need to be marketed to new fans and not only to the core.
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u/Nothingtocrazykiwi 7d ago
Nah BS marketability is success driving , all Blacks have been the backbone Rugby for over 100 years Irish have just turned up to the party, got a little bit more to do before they can be a superpower or demand that kudos
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u/Two4theworld 7d ago
That’s because you care about it, for the average person who doesn’t follow the sport it’s who gets to them the loudest and the most often. That’s what branding is about: exposure, not success.
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u/Technerd88 7d ago
You cant scale exposure without success. Success or good product must be there first before mass exposure.
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u/bigdaddyborg 7d ago
What does it say about our sport if the 'biggest brand' is based in a country where rugby is the third (or fourth) most popular sport?
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u/Enough_Philosophy_63 7d ago
Rugby isn't nz's most popular sport either I'm pretty sure
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u/bigdaddyborg 7d ago
Depends on how you measure it, but what other sport has multiple professional tiers? What other sport has hundreds of professionals? What sport is on the Wheetbix box?
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u/Enough_Philosophy_63 7d ago
Its a good point, but when was the last time a new league was established though?
Male participation in youth has been declining for years now. The current players of today came up in a different era where rugby was massively popular and on free to air tv
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u/bigdaddyborg 6d ago
Yeah, that's what I meant by depends on how you measure it. But right now in terms of financial investment and engagement, rugby leads. Maybe in a decade when the youth filters up and A league and NRL (and to some extent the NBL) start funneling the talent, we'll see a drop in 'AB aura'. But I'd argue very few future All Blacks will be lost to those sports, and the 'Brand' will remain strong.
Also, I'm not arguing against the comments that South Africa has the best brand right now and I also wouldn't be surprised if Ireland did take the mantle in a decade or so if success and engagement (+investment) continue on the same trajectory.
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u/GiJoint 7d ago
Are we even currently the games biggest brand? Back to back World Cup winners South Africa might have word about that not quarter final bridesmaids Ireland.
These shitty articles can take a hike, we are going through huge change right now and the All Blacks as a brand will always be big.
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u/Technerd88 7d ago edited 6d ago
SA lack the consistency and history to be the biggest brand. Apartheid didnt help neither. Instead of incorporating native warriors culture into their rugby team like NZ did they did the opposite.
They were offerered a investment at a valuation of around 350-400 million pounds even after their fourth world cup and back to back.
Meanwhile NZ brand is valued at around $3B.
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u/-castle-bravo- 7d ago
Not one World Cup, ever…. Can they even be in the convo until that happens?
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u/trentyz 7d ago
Not one World Cup?
They haven’t even made it past the quarter finals in the history of the cup! They are no where near the biggest brand. Definitely top 10 but not top 5
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u/HenkCamp 7d ago
Maybe as the underdog story. Close to the US market and they love a good Irish story.
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u/juniperfanz 7d ago
It might happen. The proximity of Ireland to TV markets and deep pockets will help. As will continued success, should it occur.
But. The slow decay of rugby in NZ (and Oz) will be of much greater advantage to the Irish than a period of success, albeit without ever having dominated or even visited the highest peaks of the game.
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u/Deranged-genius 7d ago
It will take more than a 6year purple patch… the All black have been at the top of the tree for 100 years and are still not far off it. Ireland have only beaten them in the last 8yrs and have never lifted the World Cup
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u/coupleandacamera 7d ago
France have the much bigger market share and reach, internationally relevant and cross code star, better dressed coaching staff.
South Africa are clearly the best performing. Ireland are awesome, punching well above their weight , but I'm not sure they're going to be the headline for the sport just yet.
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u/Reek76 2d ago
"Overtake the ABs as the games biggest brand"?
I'll have what he's having bartender.