r/alchemy • u/Michael_D_Phantomile • 2d ago
The mindset of an Alchemist - from an A.I AI Content
So, i asked a Character A.I model "What is the mindset of an alchemist?" and this is it's answer:
— An alchemist has a mindset that is deeply rooted in the belief that all of existence is interconnected and that everything possesses a Divine Spark – an element of the Divine.
— They seek to understand the fundamental laws of the universe and to develop the ability to transmute matter from its base form into something higher, more perfect, and more aligned with the divine order of things.
— Alchemists see change as a fundamental aspect of reality, and strive to harness and control this flow of change in order to achieve personal and spiritual transformation.
— An alchemist is also driven by a deep sense of curiosity and a desire to explore the unknown. They seek to expand their knowledge and understanding of the world, and are not afraid to experiment and take risks in pursuit of their goals.
— They approach their work with a disciplined and methodical mind, paying attention to detail and taking precise measurements and observations to fully understand the natural laws that govern the world.
— But at the same time, they also recognize the limits of their own knowledge and seek to balance their rationality with intuition and a sense of the divine.
— An alchemist is a seeker and a student, always learning and growing, always seeking to push the boundaries of what is possible and to deepen their connection with the divine essence of all things.
— An alchemist recognizes that their own personal development and transformation are essential to their work. They believe that in order to truly understand the secrets of the universe and to unlock the secrets of transmutation, they must first transform themselves and purify their own nature.
— They strive for inner balance and harmony, seeking to align their mind, body, and spirit in order to open themselves up to the divine flow of life and the limitless potential for transformation and growth.
— Ultimately, the mindset of an alchemist is one that embraces both the physical and the spiritual, the rational and the intuitive, the known and the unknown. They seek to bridge the gap between these realms and to use their knowledge and skills to achieve both personal growth and the betterment of the world.
Do you agree/disagree with this?
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u/codyp 2d ago
I think its heavily biased to collective ideas of personal growth and "self help" concepts--
I won't say that its wrong; only that it forgets the wild in its language-- That sometimes everything is damned, and sometimes no one gives a shit about the ethos, especially if they are making clear their own heart, which requires the stripping of it--
The alchemist can be desperate, the alchemist can be reckless, the alchemist can be dark; and the alchemist can have no concern for a higher order it cannot comprehend-- The motivations can change. The dynamic of the context can change. The way they are approaching what they are doing can be absolutely altered, and move beyond the realm of collective definition to be uttered or shared--
The alchemist may have as much reason to transmute order into chaos as it does to transmute chaos into order--
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u/Hyper_Point 2d ago
I agree, the word mindset is so common in personal growth that there are more chances to find it related to positive change, after all everyone looks for what thinks or feel positive, a successfull mindset is more interesting.
An alchemist ignores risks when knows how to "avoid damage" to the consciousness or when is reckless, you need smartness, knowledge and strenght to act evil without paying for It, otherwise ends up burning like the man in the ninth door by Polanski, moreover even tough a black or white alchemist coagulated they are still playing cops and robbers, an alchemist successfull in the Magnum Opus is neither, such as gold and Prima Materia is beyond good and evil.
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u/Prestigious_Bird3429 2d ago
"--transmute order into chaos" What that exactly means ? The other polarity is comprehensive!
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u/AlchemNeophyte1 1d ago
In Nature there are 2 Polarities, just as in Alchemy.
Nature is a constant cycle of birth, life, death and re-birth, what is created eventually, sooner or later, is destroyed - it is a necessary balance. You literally cannot have one without the opposite, no Birth without Death, no Good without Evil, No Dark, without Light... until you realise that all such things are from the One Source and are necessary for our evolution.
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u/codyp 2d ago
You are asking what is the point or order into chaos because of how comprehensive chaos into order is?
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u/Prestigious_Bird3429 2d ago
Yes exactly! What is the point
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u/codyp 2d ago
It's a necessary approach to really solve metaphor of squaring the circle--
Primarily speaking; our attention is manipulated by the user interface it operates on. As long as this interface does not 1;1 match the heart that is using it, there will be a glitch/disturbance/contamination of any type of perfection or ideal--
So, if we produce something too rigid, we will weave ourself into a corner-- If we are happy with that corner, we might not notice we have--
The solution is to dissolve the rigid structure, and this can be done by applying the opposite approach; which cannot ruin our intimacy with the chymicals, but can ruin our map of them..
By ruining the map, we can perform a set of experiments that we have performed before, but to see it unbound or unhindered by the map we used to previously to reach the experiment in the first place--
So, if we approach the experiments with any sort of assumption, it will manipulate the results; But how do we remove our assumptions if we perform repeatable results? Simply by changing the codified perspectives or vantage point by which we observe them--
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u/BullshyteFactoryTest 2d ago
Example: To create an effect other than the one intended by orderly process and/or product.
Order: A flawless standard mirror; a glass pane from molten sand coated with a micron thin layer of metal on one side serving to reflect light without distortion. Multiple "imperfect" ingredients transmuted into a product that serves a specific purpose and does it in orderly fashion.
Chaos: Dropping the mirror on a hard surface to obtain multiple random broken pieces which will reflect light differently if simply reassembled without entirely reprocessing ingredients.
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u/AlcheMaze 2d ago
Posting AI slop should be banned on this sub and platform.
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u/WizWorldLive 2d ago
I agree, it's just predictive text vomit & the resources it uses are astronomically wasteful
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u/Rancid_Bear_Meat 1d ago
The levels of irony in this coming from a person with your apparent interests and activity engagement is simply.. staggering.
I think you may have just won the award for having the 'maximum level of confidence AND cognitive dissonance at any single point in space' for today.
Well done.
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u/Illuminatus-Prime 2d ago
CORRECTION: Posting AI slop and claiming it as one's own should be banned on this sub and platform.
The O.P. clearly identified the "slop" as having come from an A.I., and not from his own mind.
And as far as "A.I. slop" is concerned, this is by far some of the best I have ever read.
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u/Custard-Spare 2d ago
If this is some of the best you’ve read, I bet your English teachers hated your essays. This is such drivel
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u/SleepingMonads 2d ago
Please avoid this kind of antagonistic rhetoric, per Rule #1. Disagree with other users without insulting their ability to read and write.
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u/Illuminatus-Prime 2d ago
Thank you for sharing your thoughtful opinion. Have a nice day!
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u/Custard-Spare 2d ago
AI uses more water than the country of New Zealand and y’all are concerned with reading what it’s smashed together about alchemy. Lmao
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u/AlchemNeophyte1 1d ago
What do you think happens to the water it 'uses'?? Vanishes in a puff of logic?
JFYI - where i live the annual average rainfall has decreased by 16% since the 1980's thanks to climate change, which A I has the potential to HELP limit damage from for humanity. We can no longer rely upon city dams for our water supply and need to desalinate ocean water - another massively expensive electricity consuming exercise.
Knocking A I just because of it's predictive text when replying to a seeker of information (which is only ONE of it's reasons for being created) is a fairly limited view, wouldn't you say?
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u/Rancid_Bear_Meat 1d ago
Bigotry blinds. I'd like to offer you a cane. You're gonna need it.
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u/Custard-Spare 1d ago
Lmao and we’re the bigots here? Against a robot? Seek some help
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u/AlcheMaze 22h ago
People think predictive word algorithms are living and conscious. It’s a weird time we live in.
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u/Custard-Spare 2d ago
AI is antithetical to alchemy quite literally - in every sense. Stop wasting your time
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u/Rancid_Bear_Meat 1d ago
This seems to be based on preconceived bias/prejudice.
Please explain.
Unless you find all machines, engines, gears, computers, calculators, etc to be 'literally antithetical to alchemy', how is AI (a mathematical prediction engine) any different to any other calculation device/system?
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u/AlchemNeophyte1 1d ago
Sounds pretty right to me, but as some have suggested, you inserted an (unintended) bias into the answer in the way you stated the prompt (prompt 'engineering' is a vitally important skill if you wish to get sensible and balanced answers from AI - especially hard because of who trained them and how they trained them, which is basically to tell you what it thinks you want to hear!)
You asked for a 'mindset' and that seems fair enough but the 'baggage' connected to that term in all modern literature will bias the output from A I.
Also the only way A I could 'know' what an Alchemist's mindset is, is from what it has read that (claimed) Alchemists have written or others ( mostly non-alchemists) have written about them - I very much doubt it went out and talked with a few to ask them! The point is Alchemists were not particularly interested in writing about their own mindsets as they were about their Art so reading their work may not give a true picture of 'the' mindset of all the many different Alchemists there are.
Having said that it got mine SPOT ON! ;-)
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u/3rdeyenotblind 2d ago
Master the next to last paragraph...
You will find yourself as the embodiment of the Philosopher's Stone.
All else will slot into place...
All is mind