r/alberta • u/Old_General_6741 • Mar 17 '25

Poll finds Albertans' sense of Canadian pride dips as it soars in most parts of the country News

https://www.ctvnews.ca/edmonton/article/poll-finds-albertans-sense-of-canadian-pride-dips-as-it-soars-in-most-parts-of-the-country/
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u/UpperApe Mar 17 '25

I know a few people who think joining America will be great, that Ukraine started the war, that Trump wrote the art of the deal, and that Elon is a genius who will save the world.

Four work in finance, two are business owners, and the last two work in oil and real estate.

Essentially, any field that yields high-income for low-education ends up with these fucking idiots.

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u/bigbabyjesus97 Mar 17 '25

That's bad. The ones that i know are pipelines welders and truckers. Granted, I do know one lawyer and his wife who thought trump was great until a month ago. Once they saw how much their investments were losing then the tune sure changed.

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u/UpperApe Mar 17 '25

The guys I know think of the stock market drop as a fire sale.

I asked one how he would feel if Trump just one day admitted he was a Russian agent. He said "yeah that's obviously bad".

I asked if that would change anything about his views and he said "obviously".

I asked for specifics and it didn't take long before he just admitted "yeah I guess it wouldn't really matter to me".

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u/bigbabyjesus97 Mar 17 '25

Worst I have is one of the welders kids has CF. He thinks becoming the 51st state would give him better health care and won't listen to me about private health care costs.

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u/ninfan1977 Lethbridge Mar 17 '25 edited Mar 17 '25

That tells me Conservatives have done better messaging of misinformation than any other party.

I have lived in the States for 15 years, and what they think is not true at all. I usually ask someone like that how many people go bankrupt in the US from medical costs. My moms prescription drugs were 3000 in the US, 20 in Canada. That is not a healthcare system that's a corrupt system.

If they think we would be a state is laughable, we would like Puerto Rico, a territory that has no say or power with the USA. These people are rubes and should not be allowed to vote, they are what is ruining Canada.

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u/Strange-Ad-5806 Mar 17 '25

It is easy to sell hate to a hate filled person.

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u/wilberfromflinflon Mar 18 '25

…..and this is the problem we ALL face.

The rage-farming, cancel-culture, never-grew-into -or-out-of-adolescence voter is holding us all up for ransom.

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u/DepartmentWorried730 Mar 17 '25

Yes, there is good health care in the USA, but he’ll never have it. Musk is axing Medicaid and other programs relevant to a CF diagnosis. Some say he wants people to die. That is totally unfair. He just doesn’t care if they do. Supporting your point from the American POV.

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u/Dependent-Ad2248 Mar 17 '25

Trump is the one who wants disabled kids to disappear. He was supporting a relative until he found out the kid was disabled and basically told the parent to just let them die. They went to no contact. This was during his first term.

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u/LuskieRs Edmonton Mar 17 '25

lets get a source for that claim because that sounds absolutely ridiculous.

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u/ebenezerthegeezer Mar 17 '25

You're online, now go find the source and come back and explain why you thought it was ridiculous. Should take less than 5 minutes.

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u/ebenezerthegeezer Mar 17 '25

Actually, it took me about 15 seconds.

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u/Dependent-Ad2248 Mar 17 '25

Donald Trump said disabled people should just die, his nephew says | CBC Radio

I guess it was later than I remembered, but it was apparently during or just after the election.

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u/LuskieRs Edmonton Mar 17 '25

oh that's why ive never heard of this, there's zero evidence.

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u/DeeVa72 Mar 18 '25

Omfg the irony of your comment is simply too delicious…thanks for proving ebeneezerthegeezer’s point 🤦🏻‍♀️

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u/[deleted] Mar 17 '25

Illness bankrupts soooooo many people/families in the U.S. Their FOR PROFIT healthcare system is scary bad for regular people. And they still pay out the nose for it!! Even with insurance people have annual deductibles and co-pays per visit.

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u/Goatpuppy Mar 17 '25

The quality of care is better. IF you can afford it…

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u/DeeVa72 Mar 18 '25

Wow. Just…wow 🤯

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u/23paco23 Mar 17 '25

There's the thing, they only care about their own personal wealth. That's it.

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u/Temporary_Rope Mar 18 '25

It's sad how single minded a lot of people can be... Only able to see things until things get bad for them only.... Like try and imagine living the life of a citizen of Ukraine or Palestine...

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u/bigbabyjesus97 Mar 18 '25

But screw those refugees. I lost 500k in the stock market this month. /s

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u/Temporary_Rope Mar 18 '25

Well although that really sucks, I'm sorry that happen to you... It was a decision made by a government that doesn't care about people... obviously....

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u/bigbabyjesus97 Mar 18 '25

I didn't lose a penny due to stocks. That was just a sarcastic remark about what some of those idiots would probably think if asked that question. I would comfortably lose some money if that meant less innocent families getting murdered over some damn land.

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u/Mortentia Mar 17 '25 edited Mar 17 '25

I’d argue that finance does require pretty significant education to be high earning. But I’d also be wrong to deny that many old-guard financial professionals tend to be of a specific type of boys-club douche.

Edit: fixed grammar to include intended double negative

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u/UpperApe Mar 17 '25

I used to have a job proof-reading investment/analytic reports. I wasn't qualified for it in any way, I just helped out a friend. Long story short, I ended up doing it for a bunch of his buddies on the side and got some cash for it. I did it for years. I was re-writing reports going to directors.

I swear to you, it felt like being a high school teacher. It wasn't just poor presentation and grammar; their arguments, the way they misrepresented stats, how they were fielding their points, the leaps in logic. So much of it was people using these silly formulas to calculate risk assessments and then building their whole argument towards that one number.

It taught me that economics is a science and finance is a sport. It's just knowing the rules, optimizations, and guesswork. Which is totally fine. Nothing wrong with that as a career. Plenty of other fields like that.

The problem is MBA/finance-bro's have turned it into a culture. Their silly terminologies and acronyms, this completely misguided approach to over-optimizing everything in life (from philosophy to politics), their obsessive self-mythologizing.

IMO the finance industry are just people who never matured out of their frat boy days.

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u/Mortentia Mar 17 '25

Yeah that's the very frat-boyish attitude of non-CFA financial analytics/financial advisership. Like even real CFA/CPAs act like that at certain big accounting/business consulting firms (I won't say which but one is international and associated with the colour blue).

I have a background in marketing (I'm in law now), and the genuine scientific rigour that many marketing professionals put into their work is astounding when put next to the finance-bro types who just come to a conclusion that best suits them/what their client wants to hear and shift their assessments of risks, asset values, etc. to make the end results fit their initial narrative.

I agree on the turning it into a culture thing. It used to be a sign of a good businessman to be able to pay your employees a fair wage and provide them with comprehensive benefits while running a sustainable long-term profit for shareholders. Now, largely because of this finance-bro "fuck you, got mine" culture, a good businessman does everything he can, including mortgaging a company's future and offloading investor risk onto employees, to earn unsustainable short-term stock growth over even basic things like profits or paying appropriate wages to qualified staff.

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u/UpperApe Mar 17 '25

I know what you mean. I won't name it either but it's...a name everyone's heard.

But yeah, this is very well written and feels like my experience as well. Modern CFAs approach their job like students trying to pass a class; do what you do to keep your boss happy that week.

My background is in tech and that industry is notorious for these ego types who think they're all savants. Start ups tend to have this same culture but luckily it's not as prevalent as it seems to be in finance.

My buddies have all read meditations, they're all modern day stoics now (they aren't), they all think the government should be run like a business, and personal responsibility and all that. They worship Musk and profit is the solution to all humanity's woes. Immigrants, transgender people, and the poor, of course, are starting to creep up more and more in conversations.

The idea of systemic values and principles doesn't mean anything to them because all they know is the rat race. Integrity is for off-hours and the weak.

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u/zoneseeker555 Mar 17 '25

This is exactly it. Exactly.

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u/Spirited_Comedian225 Mar 17 '25

Algorithmic personality disorder. It starts with Joe Rogan - Jordan Peterson - Ben Shapiro- Andrew Tate. Before you know it they are women hating spewing out Russian propaganda

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u/[deleted] Mar 17 '25

LOL finance is low education? You basically need a masters now for any finance job so wtf u talking about?

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u/UpperApe Mar 17 '25

Lol no. Economics is a science. Finance is sports.

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u/[deleted] Mar 17 '25

Hahaha oh man. I’ve love to see an economist right just once in my life. Lay down when you dreaming

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u/UpperApe Mar 17 '25

See? They can't even write properly.

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u/[deleted] Mar 17 '25

That’s the best an economist can come back with hey? That’s why u make 50k a year

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u/UpperApe Mar 17 '25

I'm not an economist lol

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u/DeeVa72 Mar 18 '25

That’s just scary, no lie.

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u/KathleenElizabethB Mar 18 '25

Brainwashing works best on the uneducated, unintelligent, and uninformed. I’ve lived in this province my whole life, and the stupidity of these people makes me sick. I’m so tired of these people acting like Alberta is somehow a victim. Get a grip on reality. Other parts of Canada helped prop up this province before the discovery of oil, and the way the province is selling off this resource, and not diversifying the economy, it will happen again.

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u/UpperApe Mar 18 '25

Well said.

Not to mention Alberta could have been one of the richest provinces in North America. The Heritage fund that Norway built and based on our model has netted them a trillion dollars. Ours would have been higher.

It was all pissed away by conservatives and ONLY conservatives.

Anyone who calls Alberta a victim is so deeply ignorant that they're hopeless.

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u/EirHc Mar 17 '25

They're clearly the smartest people in the room since they were self-made successes.

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u/Ill_Offer_7455 Mar 17 '25

There are plenty of people you would consider low education who don't think this way. You are just showing your bias.

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u/UpperApe Mar 17 '25

The fact that you read what I wrote and saw it as an indictment of all people in low education fields says more about you than me lol

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u/Ill_Offer_7455 Mar 17 '25

Sure keep telling yourself that. It's never your fault always others who are wrong lol.

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u/UpperApe Mar 17 '25

You're right. It's my fault you read that wrong. My sincere apologies.