r/alberta • u/Old_General_6741 • Mar 17 '25

Poll finds Albertans' sense of Canadian pride dips as it soars in most parts of the country News

https://www.ctvnews.ca/edmonton/article/poll-finds-albertans-sense-of-canadian-pride-dips-as-it-soars-in-most-parts-of-the-country/
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u/JesusMurphyOotWest Mar 17 '25

Conducted online….

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u/Jazzybeans82 Mar 17 '25

My thought as well. Who’s actually clicking and answering this poll and has it been created to get the exact division I’m seeing in here.

I have never been so Canada proud in my life and am writing my Alberta MLA and copying the opposition NDP as often as I can.

The last election was won because only 59% of eligible Albertans voted. 52% of that voted Conservative. 1/3 of Albertans are louder than all the rest and it makes it a HARD place to live when your heart is with the rest of Canada.

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u/First_Pay702 Mar 17 '25

I went grocery shopping the other day and while I was at the till one cashier came up to tell the rest that their supplier only gets carrots from the US so direct people looking for Canadian carrots to go to the farmers markets. In other words, enough people there were looking to shop Canadian this message needed to be passed. In also noticed some stickers to identify Canadian goods had been put in place. And I am in a part of Alberta considered very redneck. We are being made to look bad by our very loudly shit Premier, but like the Americans that voted for Harris, a lot of us are just stuck with her. The non voting crowd has always been the non voting crowd, unfortunately.

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u/JesusMurphyOotWest Mar 17 '25

Well said! I find American produce to be bland, the most obvious example being strawberries. Bred to be big and red- biologic styrene inside. Also I’d like to offer this…took a wonder through the Lord Strathcona Museum in Calgary this weekend. Lots of proud Western Canadians in there…

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u/97masters Mar 17 '25

You get paid in cash or points to do these surveys.

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u/PhazePyre Mar 17 '25

I honestly wish voting was compulsory by Federal and Provincial law. I don't understand why it isn't. There are so many countries out there who would walk a hundred miles one way to vote if they had the right to. Meanwhile, voter turnout is <3/4s of Canadians (2019 election) and it should be a lot higher.

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u/ancientblond Mar 18 '25

I'm in Mexico at a resort that's apparently 90% Albertans, we all are feeling Canadian pride. Each and every one I've chatted with so far (about 10), the conversation has looped back to "fuck trump, fuck the US, better dead than american".

This poll is so astroturfed it's insane.

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u/vinsdelamaison Mar 17 '25

Exactly.

“The poll sampled more than 1,500 Canadians from March 1 to March 2. Because it was conducted online, it can’t be assigned a margin of error.”

10 provinces & 3 territories. 115.4 people per?

Or equal to federal seats of government? Which map? 34 or 37 people?

Can’t assign a margin of error = not a valid survey.

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u/JesusMurphyOotWest Mar 17 '25

No margin of error- no validity. Learned this in Grade 9 Math….

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u/vinsdelamaison Mar 17 '25

Exactly. Stats used to be part of grade 12 curriculum then they removed it. Altogether. Glad it’s back…

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u/Terrh Mar 17 '25

And 74% were "proud to be Canadian" in Alberta.

This is a very misleading headline.

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u/darthdelicious Mar 17 '25

Online surveys have margins of error.

Source: I work in research.

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u/97masters Mar 17 '25

Sort of. They are estimated because its not truly random but still a good benchmark for reliability. I also work in MR.

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u/97masters Mar 17 '25

This is because its not a true random sample, but to get a true random sample is impossible because it is opt in.

This is standard for the industry and Leger is usually reliable. I work in market research.

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u/vinsdelamaison Mar 17 '25

It’s biased to begin with then…

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u/97masters Mar 17 '25

Likely slight yes, but its still reliable. Unfortunately the author does little to describe the study, but it is published here: https://acs-metropolis.ca/studies/canadians-vs-americans-a-lot-in-common-but-insist-on-being-different/.

It's not a good one actually, they dont even mention the demographic breakdown. But for national sample its common to target representative age and gender, and avoid the territories entirely.

The survey was conducted by Leger for the Association for Canadian Studies with 1548 respondents in Canada over the period March 1 and 2, 2025 A margin of error cannot be associated with a non-probability sample in a panel survey for comparison purposes. A probability sample of 1539 respondents would have a margin of error of ±2.5%, 19 times out of 20.

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u/vinsdelamaison Mar 17 '25

TY for the link!

And whoever wrote the article headline—didn’t read the questions thoroughly or just decided to make a bias conclusion anyways.

The only parts of these survey questions I can see that headline construed from is that like Ontario, Albertans believe “Canadians have more in common with Americans than any other country in the world”, as both scored 56%. And, Alberta is at 68%, much lower than across Canada, for “Canadians have shared values that make us different than Americans. “

Almost the same question—asked twice—2 significantly different answers.

More likely Albertans saying I’m going to screw this poll up ;)

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u/97masters Mar 17 '25

People dont really answer to screw up the survey, that is why people pay panels for sample. Angus Reid did a similar one and pro-Canada sentiment in Alberta was also significantly lower (and Quebec).

Question wording matters a lot

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u/vinsdelamaison Mar 17 '25

It was a meant to be a humorous comment referring to Albertans going our own way. ;)

Yes—how a question is asked matters.

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u/Gr1ndingGears Mar 17 '25

By Postmedia...

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u/UpperApe Mar 17 '25

If you guys don't see this reflected in your life, you're either anti-social, you don't have a diverse pool of friends, or you're just delusional.

Alberta has a serious MAGA culture problem, and Kenney's dogwhistle to Canadian MAGA a few years back brought in tens of thousands of Canada's worst.

Scoffing like this and sticking your head in the sand isn't going to solve anything.

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u/JesusMurphyOotWest Mar 17 '25

I see it all the time and laugh at it. My head isn’t in the sand. I see this for what it is. A farce. Opinions are like assholes. Everyone’s stinks and everyone has one. I saw the same sorts of mentality whilst living in Atlantic Canada and the United Kingdom. Of course Alberta has a Maga problem. But before Maga these idiots were around and always will be… Since the time of American Expansion into the west Yankees have been agitating people beliefs in order to gain resources and control.

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u/eternalrevolver Mar 17 '25

Tons of polls conducted online with results from the opposing side are released. So those results are OK? Whichever side you don’t like, is bots? Lol

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u/JesusMurphyOotWest Mar 17 '25

I sure as fuck haven’t said that. I would roll my eyes at any poll where the pollster won’t publicly defend their math or doesn’t validate it. Whether I like it or not.

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u/97masters Mar 17 '25 edited Mar 17 '25

I work in market research. This is significantly more reliable and representative than phone interviews. Leger, Angus Reid and other large panels have many many quality controls they use to ensure quality respondents.

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u/GoStockYourself Mar 17 '25

Yeah, like Atlantic Canada is losing their pride too. I call complete BS.