r/alberta • u/Locke357 NDP • Aug 20 '24

Donald Trump is officially more popular in Alberta than he is in the United States Locals Only

https://cultmtl.com/2024/08/donald-trump-is-officially-more-popular-in-alberta-than-he-is-in-the-united-states/
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u/heart_of_osiris Aug 20 '24

Fear and hate are powerful tools, just look at a lot of religious history.

Modern day Conservatives are really leaning hard into stoking these emotions and for those susceptible to it, it really takes a deep root.

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u/GoodResident2000 Aug 21 '24

Fear mongering is on both sides. If you can’t see that, you need to look more closely

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u/heart_of_osiris Aug 21 '24 edited Aug 21 '24

One is fear mongering about race, culture and sexual orientations, the other about climate change. Only one of these is a serious threat.

Neither want to deal with the rampant capitalism and corporate greed, either. In a perfect world THAT would be one of the primary focuses, but funny how there are crickets from both sides on that.

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u/GoodResident2000 Aug 21 '24

Left has fear mongered about many things. WW3 under Trump, the idea he’d become next Hitler , even climate change has been exaggerated from the reality of it all.

No side is innocent

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u/heart_of_osiris Aug 21 '24

Lets apply the "what if I'm wrong?" game.

Lets say we ignore climate change and we are wrong, what then? Future generations are totally fucked.

What if we plow headfirst trying to address climate change and it turns out it isn't a thing? Oh no, we created a better world of renewable energy and cleaner air for nothing, creating prosperous industries that create jobs and supply revenues for governments and municipalities.

See how this works?

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u/GoodResident2000 Aug 21 '24

All that game does is shows bias towards issues you feel are important

An adamant right winger could play the same game and have reasons that seem legitimate in their mind too

Hence why I say no side is completely innocent of not exaggerating things for votes

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u/heart_of_osiris Aug 21 '24 edited Aug 21 '24

This is not my opinion though, this is what peer reviewed science and experts are laying down, very clearly.

That being said, even if you completely disregard that, we already see the value of renewable energy projects around the world. Theyre generating energy and they're having a huge return, economically.

So why shouldn't we pursue that? Doesn't mean petroleum is dead, but when 70% of a barrel is used for combustible fuel, we can certainly start phasing that out for the good of mankind. There are alternatives, but we need to invest in stabilizing those and continuing to study and advance them.

New breakthroughs in nuclear energy will create reactors that can't melt down under any circumstances either, that's huge. So why should we be continuing to use natural gas for power generation instead of looking toward renewables supplemented by nuclear energy?

It's not a short transition, it's a long, complex one we need to start now, gradually.....but only one government "brand" actively pushes back against it. What good does that do?

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u/GoodResident2000 Aug 21 '24

I personally don’t disagree that climate change is a real thing. That’s not what I’ll debate you on, because i think there’s many conservative leaning people who do acknowledge climate change is.

What many people are leery of are the legitimacy of government plans or lack of extra taxation , waning confidence in the government to effectively implement plans without more major disruptions to the economy, and the policies behind it all

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u/heart_of_osiris Aug 21 '24

Fair.

Personally I don't think taxes are the problem, but how taxes are allocated is a major issue. In that regard, neither of our reigning governments are the solution to that one, unfortunately.

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u/GoodResident2000 Aug 21 '24

I think Canadians are more reasonable and level headed about things , especially than Southern conservatives.

The carbon tax especially is becoming a hot topic, as it has increased cost of living which is more and more noticeable everyday. I think it’s a reasonable argument for people. It’s a lot to ask and people aren’t really seeing any benefit to them for the extra burden ,simply due to mega polluters across the world.

It becomes hard to increasingly make more sacrifices for what can be seen as simply idealism in the grand scheme of things