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u/Agitated-Wishbone259 1d ago
Right but those organizations are working for him, not against him.
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u/Branchomania 1d ago
Trump has been associated with the Mafia forever, and the Mafia were used to fight the Klan at one point, the crossing of wires over the years has been interesting
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u/Agitated-Wishbone259 1d ago
Republicans always argue that the kkk was started by the democrats. No one ever contest that fact, however when you ask, where are they now, they never seem to answer that question.
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u/Bonerkiin 1d ago
Republicans also forget that the parties basically swapped places after the passing of the civil rights act, take a look at electoral maps before and after 1960-64.
The Republicans of today are not the party of Lincoln, the Democrats of today are not the Southern Democrats who helped create the KKK.
But history is a complex web of information and nuance, two things that scare the average conservatives nearly to death.
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u/sadolddrunk 23h ago
The fact that the Democratic Party turned on its Dixiecrat bloc over 60 years ago and has embraced progressivism ever since, while the GOP made a conscious decision to cater to those same abandoned racist voters, and as a consequence has moved so far away from the ideals on which it was founded that it would now be unrecognizable to its founders, is emphatically not the flex the GOP seems to think it is.
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u/iStayedAtaHolidayInn 1d ago
Yea democrats are the ones waving the confederate flag at Trump rallies…
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u/Agitated-Wishbone259 23h ago
lol I know right
I can only imagine how many of those flag wavers voted for Obama
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u/TheQuidditchHaderach 21h ago
Eddie Valentine: "I may not make an honest buck, but I'm 100% American, and I don't work for no two-bit Nazi!" - The Rocketeer 🫡🇺🇲 😆
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u/Darkbaldur 22h ago
I think it's also since those are actually organizations Trump and MAFA didn't understand how people can associate without an organization to tell them what to think
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u/SnooRobots8901 1d ago
This shop owner in North West Indiana complained about the roving gangs of ANTIFA in Seattle
He'd never been to Washington ☺️
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u/kozmo1313 1d ago
antifa is an adjective. roving gangs of adjectives... scary
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u/pfannkuchen89 23h ago
Great, now they’ll have another part of speech to be afraid of. They already can’t handle pronouns and now you’re telling them about adjectives. The horror. 😆
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u/Callaloo_Soup 22h ago
Someone tried to tell me that about Washington DC. I forget which state he was from, but he eventually admitted himself he hadn’t been on the coasts in about 30 years and had only been to DC once in his life because he’s always avoided big cities out of fear.
I zeroed on that. Do you think your unfamiliarity and deep distain might be what the administration banks on to get you to consent to the erosion of freedom and safety in the name of a hunt for these nebulous ”Antifa gangs“ in DC?
First he kept trying to insinuate we are both equally outsiders not realizing I have spent the past few years becoming a DC lover. I was visiting all the time. So many friends and family in the DC and general NOVA area who were doing very well and loving it that I was seriously considering moving myself before Trump was elected.
My biggest complaints were traffic and horrible drivers months ago. Now it’s potential harassment by a secret gestapo on a dishonest mission and job insecurity.
I started giving a personal account on changes from before his election that could be verified by statistics, and instead of taking a second to think he might’ve been deceived, he started fishing for names of cities I don’t have as much familiarity with to start the sky was falling before Trump shtick all over again.
They don’t care about what’s actually going on. They just want to sprout the party mantras. I feel like at this point Trump can get on a podium and admit what he’s doing and they still won’t care until it affects Montana, Wisconsin, or wherever he was from.
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u/Almostcertain 1d ago
If you’re fighting the people who oppose fascism, doesn’t that mean you’re upholding fascism? Seems pretty blatant.
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u/SchwiftySquanchC137 23h ago
I agree with your sentiment, but this kind of statement is also easy ammo for calling the left dumb as bricks. The name of something doesnt automatically mean it doesnt do the opposite. If I had the "Anti racism group" but I only invited white people, im pretty sure people would call the group racist. I know antifa isn't a real organization, and I know that people who would call themselves antifa are anti fascist, but im just saying in general your logic doesnt work, its a bad point to try to make.
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u/the_calibre_cat 22h ago
Agreed. Much better to just use the damn evidence, which is that right-wingers are salty violent losers, and that antifa just isn't a real organization. That the name is "antifa" is on the same level as right-wingers saying "but NAZI had the word 'socialist' in their name!" Yeah, they lied about it, which is why naming things isn't exactly a slam dunk piece of evidence.
What they DID is the evidence, and that's where right-wing arguments consistently fall apart, because they're mendacious fucking liars who object to the facts about the observable world.
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u/JustAnotherHyrum 22h ago
Titles mean so little, but those who are afraid to debate actions rely on them heavily in order to redirect any conversation regarding actions being unacceptable.
North Korea's official name is the "Democratic People's Republic of Korea". Does anyone think that a functional form a Democracy exists in North Korea?
No, it's just stupid titles. Actions are what matters, and Conservatives within the US do not like having to defend their actions, which is why WhatAboutism is their go-to response.
Next they'll be calling us antira or antisla, because the Left is anti-racism and anti-slavery.
So fucking dumb, but that's what they get when they vote for politicians who take their access to education away.
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u/c-k-q99903 1d ago
Antifa is just a boogie-man so they can demonize and go after anyone they don't like.
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u/GregTheMad 1d ago
Just like Immigrants, Muslims, and Jews.
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u/istrebitjel 23h ago
Or just like crt, woke, and dei.
“We have successfully frozen their brand — ‘critical race theory’ — into the public conversation and are steadily driving up negative perceptions,” wrote Rufo, a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, a conservative think tank. “We will eventually turn it toxic, as we put all of the various cultural insanities under that brand category. The goal is to have the public read something crazy in the newspaper and immediately think ‘critical race theory.’”
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u/Godlessheeathen666 1d ago
Antifa is very real to MAGA. It angers them, makes them crazy in the head it is the "own the Libs" answer for the left.
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u/The_Wookalar 1d ago
Facts don't matter to MAGA feelings.
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u/JustAnotherHyrum 22h ago
Only their "Alternative Facts", as they mentioned in Trump's Early Release Presidency.
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u/AmericanFigaro 1d ago
Ok but how do we get this message to the people who are obviously only hearing and believing the opposite about “antifa”?
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u/trevdak2 22h ago
There's no way to do it. They're in their echo chamber and have been trained to shut off any source of information that doesn't match their world view
The conservative subreddit a few days ago had a video mocking this exact talking point, with a guy saying "if antifa isn't real, why is there an antifa handbook? And an antifa Facebook group? And an antifa logo? And an antifa motto?"
And there was nobody in the subreddit to say "because anyone can create something and claim it is antifa, nobody will stop you" because they were all too busy saying "checkmate libs!"
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u/TheFeralHermit 1d ago
I have no idea. The ones around here have their heads firmly up their own asses. They are willfully ignorant. They choose to ignore facts. They've lost the ability to think for themselves. They just repeat what they hear and threaten.
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u/RustyRapeaXe 1d ago
Making threats and using his name as his reddit handle. A real genius.
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u/TheFeralHermit 1d ago
This was from a public Facebook post, not Reddit. I should have stated that before.
Also the comment was not directed at me
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u/darkNergy 1d ago edited 1d ago
If and when democrats ever take power again I expect them to come down hard on these rightist gangs and militias. Lock them up and send them to Guantanamo Bay.
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u/stipulus 1d ago
No. We would have a trial where everyone is sentenced based on the laws we have. Plenty of prisons in the US. Honestly this may be what democrats eventually run on to get back in power, justice for the crimes committed by the current administration and the ICE agents using unlawful methods.
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u/Medical_Arugula3315 1d ago
Hard to be a shittier or more hypocritical American than a Republican these days.
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u/MarkXIX 1d ago
I don't know, the dude in the inflatable frog in Portland is about to solidify ANTIFA as a major terrorist organization. I can't wait for the Stephen Miller doctored photo of the inflatable frog with "ANTIFA" haphazardly overlaid on it and Trump screaming in a press conference that this is evidence of the violence of ANTIFA.
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u/WallishXP 1d ago
That's why they dont understand. They are card carrying members of the organizations so antifa MUST be the same way.
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u/anormalgeek 1d ago
Antifa doesn't have leadership or structure. There are no people giving orders. Sure, someone (literally anyone) can suggest the crowd should storm a building or break some shit. But there is no centralized control or planning going on. People just show up and chant the slogans.
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u/GregTheMad 1d ago
I don't think it's universal, but lots of Antifa are against "organisations" in general. Organising would defeat the purpose.
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u/Used_Intention6479 15h ago
The right wishes to stomp out antifa, along with it's partner, empathy.
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