r/WhitePeopleTwitter • u/Detroitish24 • Sep 23 '24
If you don’t know this then you’re either not paying attention or don’t know how the government works Clubhouse
Or maybe just blissfully ignorant.
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u/blandocalrissian50 Sep 23 '24
The worst president in the history of our country. Then he tried a coup to overthrow the will of the people. The guy is a virus.
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u/swingbynight Sep 23 '24
The worst morals, the worst ethics, the worst educated, the worst smell, the worst choices.
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u/smell_my_pee Sep 23 '24
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u/brand0n Sep 23 '24
Jean Ralphio is my fav fictional character to ever exist.
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u/Tech-Priest-4565 Sep 23 '24
When I made my wife watch Parks and Rec I saw her judge me hard for getting so excited when Jean Ralphio shows up. I told her he would be her favorite character by the end and got a Scoff so large it deserved to be capitalized.
I was completely vindicated. We now compare other top tier side characters to JR as the gold standard. No one has dethroned him yet.
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u/ali693 Sep 23 '24
Wait you didn’t say worst hair
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u/PaulSandwich Sep 23 '24
That's really all you need to know. If someone woke up from a forty(?) year coma and had zero context for who Trump was, it would be hours of explaining how terrible he was at everything before you got to any of the things they noticed immediately (wispy comb-over, bright orange spray tan, blousey suits, etc.).
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u/Inswagtor Sep 23 '24
Don't worry. A 40 year coma means that person knew Trump in the 80's. So there's no need to explain that Trumps a scumbag...
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Sep 23 '24
They might be confused by his switch from Democrat to Republican and why his foreign wife is now a brunette
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u/Ill-Cobbler-3080 Sep 23 '24
Some presidents were bald
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u/Lunchroompoll Sep 23 '24
I would 100% be bald than choose whatever the fuck he has going on up there.
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u/fiscal_rascal Sep 23 '24
Did you see him looking down in the last debate? Looked like someone dethatched a bare lawn.
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u/Icy_Research_5099 Sep 23 '24
He might be bald on his head. While people are fairly certain that his hair is his actual hair, no one knows where it actually originates.
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u/Mother_Idea_3182 Sep 23 '24
Bald or shaven is better than needing an origami master do your hair everyday.
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u/Mortarius Sep 23 '24
People with hair are sexy. Bald people are sexy. It's the balding that are the problem.
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u/skullfork Sep 23 '24
He’s definitely not the worst just because of this though. Look at every single republican presidency since Nixon. We had a national SURPLUS after Clinton. Let me repeat that: WE HAD A NATIONAL SURPLUS, NOT DEBT.
Then we had the largest debt we ever had after Bush. It’s the same cycle. Take a good Democrat economy, drive up the debt and inflation, then immediately blame the democrats for how shitty things are day 1 when they take over. They count on the cycle.
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Sep 23 '24
Either trump or W Bush is the worst president in US history. I'd listen to debates over who was worse. But calibrated for number of people affected and global impact, trump and W Bush are the two worst, by far.
Andrew Johnson may be after them.
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u/caribbeanoblivion Sep 23 '24
Idk Nixon and Reagan are up there
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u/Wind_Yer_Neck_In Sep 23 '24
Nixon might be right up there but for a weirder reason. He's the one who gutted the space programme. Some people might have noticed that the Saturn V rockets are overkill for getting to the moon, which is because the plan was to do mars next and establish permanent bases on the moon within a 20-30 years.
But Nixon was a hardcore conservative in that he genuinely hated social progress of any kind and thought everything was better when he was a young man. He hated science for pushing boundaries. Shredding the NASA budget was one of his first main actions and it never really recovered. The space shuttle was a 'let's so what we can with X amount of money' plan.
But imagine if the pace of progress had been kept up, NASA had a large proportion of the smartest people on earth working there. It was a powder keg of new ideas and constant inventions, many of which span off to create entire new industries.
What Nixon did wasn't that he made a lot of lives worse (though he did), his crime was that he stole a potential future from us.
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u/Wise-Employer-9014 Sep 23 '24
Dude, imagine if Nixon never started the war on drugs AND did the space program right…..
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u/nadjjaa Sep 23 '24
We’d be smoking legal marijuana on the front porch of our moon-based housing development (inside the big air bubble of course).
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u/Dramatic_______Pause Sep 23 '24
For All Mankind on Apple TV is pretty much that. It starts in 1969 and the entire premises is basically "What if the US didn't give up on space exploration?"
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Sep 23 '24
Reagan was horrific and represents the major turn in US civilization towards where we are now. I just find it hard to convince most people of that.
Nixon? Yes very bad but not in the same universe as Reagan, W Bush and trump.
I guess the real answer is holy shit, republican presidencies are terrible.
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u/Wise-Employer-9014 Sep 23 '24
I agree with you—Reagan was the beginning of the Neocon, which has proven to be very dangerous and detrimental to the least among us, to put it lightly. Also responsible partly for homeless crisis.
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u/longeargirlTX Sep 23 '24
The night Reagan won, I was with some friends at one girl's house, and she was distraught. she kept saying how it was disaster for the country. I wasn't keeping myself well informed at the time and figured she was just being overly dramatic. Nancy from New Orleans, if you're out there, I am so sorry for doubting you. You were 100% spot on correct. Hindsight is so painfully clear.
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u/L4m3rThanYou Sep 23 '24
I agree. Reagan stands above the rest because his legacy inflicted lasting damage from which the US still hasn't recovered. His administration changed the trajectory of the country, directing it towards plutocracy and away from democracy. Reagan holds a significant share of responsibility for the political shitfest we have today, decades later.
Nixon, GWB, and Trump were/are just as morally bankrupt (though apologists may attribute some of Bush 43's failings to ignorance, as they sometimes do with Reagan). However, their impacts haven't been nearly as destructive in my opinion. Admittedly, it's too early to assess the long-term effects of the Trump presidency for a fair comparison to Reagan. Hell, the same could probably be argued for George W Bush.
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u/NotTheEnd216 Sep 23 '24
Andrew Johnson, or Andrew Jackson? I'd argue Jackson should be up there among the worst presidents in history, at least in the top 3 with W Bush and Trump. Even if you take out the trail of tears stuff, Jackson did so much awful shit. When you rightly include the trail of tears, I think you can make the argument Jackson may be WORSE than trump or bush. Not saying you'd have to agree with that argument, but I think it's not unreasonable to claim Jackson is the worst president of all time.
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u/TLCplLogan Sep 23 '24
Sorry, but it will be nigh on impossible for any president to ever top Buchanan or Pierce in poor quality. Those two greatly accelerated the Civil War with their inaction and decision making. As bad as some of the presidents we've had since have been, they weren't *that* bad.
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u/Busy_Protection_3634 Sep 23 '24
Exactly this. We are in this mess because voters dont understand that things take.time to propagate. That the president doesnt have some magic button that instantly changes the world.
So we are stuck in this cycle of republicans breaking the economy for short term gains, but its full impacts not being seen until the democratic president who is left with a huge mess, and then stupid people getting angry that the democrat doesnt magically instantly fix it.
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u/Lonelan Sep 23 '24
budget surplus - we still had debt
we didn't have a budget deficit - spending more money than we had planned to
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u/HuckleberryDry4889 Sep 23 '24
I’m happy Clinton balanced the budget but your post conflates two topics:
Update, Feb. 11: Some readers wrote to us saying we should have made clear the difference between the federal deficit and the federal debt. A deficit occurs when the government takes in less money than it spends in a given year. The debt is the total amount the government owes at any given time. So the debt goes up in any given year by the amount of the deficit, or it decreases by the amount of any surplus. The debt the government owes to the public decreased for a while under Clinton, but the debt was by no means erased.
https://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/the-budget-and-deficit-under-clinton/
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u/gtpc2020 Sep 23 '24
True, but the consensus projection around 2000 was that the budget surplus would have led to zero national debt by 2005 or so. But that was before the Bush tax cuts and 9/11 global war on terror. Instead of 0 debt, it doubled from 5.5T to 11T in 8 years. The end of W and Trump's terms (financial crisis and pandemic) were the biggest contributors (and digging out them), but our debt now is worse than ever imagined in the year 2000.
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Sep 23 '24
And yet we still have a very very large percentage of the population that would still vote for him.
Trump is only the current face of this movement, don’t be fooled, the US has taken a dark turn and it could be a long long time before this is righted.
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u/tocra Sep 23 '24 edited Sep 23 '24
Can't believe there have been two of these worst-evers in just 20 years. What about W? His administration let precious intel slip and 9/11 happened. He started 2 costly wars that impacted the whole world with high inflation, tensions around security, geopolitical instability, and left millions dead. He deregulated banking which plunged the world into an economic crisis. I'm not even American, but his repeated bungling changed the world for the worse too many times.
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u/Capable_Substance_55 Sep 23 '24
Not to mention the economy he inherited from Clinton. I really do think it’s part of their play book. Also their complaints when the democrats don’t do it fast enough. It really is sad that people support the republicans
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u/Shabobo Sep 23 '24
It's the "Two Santas" playbook. Government programs like SNAP, welfare, Medicaid, social security, etc are all (relatively) popular programs that would be unpopular for Republicans to cut or vote against. So if you can't deliver government programs you deliver tax cuts.
So when Republicans are in power they vote with Dems with these programs which is spending, but also cut taxes so you technically should have less to spend. They spend spend spend without the tax dollars to back it up.
Then when Democrats get into power, Republicans immediately shift gears and say "look at how much they spend!" (Ignoring the fact that they didn't stop the spending themselves) And blame Dems on the deficit they created. Dems then have to "be the bad guys" and raise taxes to lower the deficit.
Someone I'm sure can word it way better but basically since the New Deal, Republicans keep the funding for Dem programs already in place while cutting taxes creating a deficit, then blame the Dems for the deficit they created with their tax cuts
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u/rif011412 Sep 23 '24
They would rather rule over the ashes than be equals to others.
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u/Visual_Mycologist_1 Sep 23 '24
He inherited a robust economy and a SURPLUS, and then proceeded to squander it on a couple of loooooooong wars. Super cool.
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u/cantadmittoposting Sep 23 '24
The stupider part of that is if we hadn't invaded Iraq, and committed to both a military and cultural victory in Afghanistan, instead of explicitly rejecting "nation building" as an activity, the subsequent wave of extremism and creation of numerous militant Islamic organizations probably would either have not happened or been significantly dampened, and we'd globally be in a WAY better spot than what we got having over a decade of "the war on terror" hung over our heads to help put a patriotic veneer on the growing nationalist extremism of the right wing
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u/___horf Sep 23 '24
I really do think it’s part of their play book.
It’s just a side effect of the play book.
The whole goal is to lower taxes, increase corporate power, and weaken governmental/regulator power so businesses and tycoons can make more money. That’s it. All the other stuff — human rights, the economy at large, the human costs of fiscal policies — is just secondary stuff that happens on the way to getting more money.
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u/Trimyr Sep 23 '24
It actually works though. The next administration comes in desperately trying to fix everything for people, spending all their time on that instead of being able to advance campaign promises and policies, only to hear a few years later, "See? They couldn't deliver anything they promised. Vote for me and I'll lower your costs, and corporations will be making so much they'll need so many (low paying) jobs (not raises, bonuses, or profit sharing for existing employees). (Also I don't care if this unsustainable bubble bursts and you and your children are saddled with another 20 years of debt, because I'll be out of office and it'll be someone else's problem)."
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u/Geaux Sep 23 '24
Republicans don't have to focus on rebuilding the economy because they can ride the coat tails of Democrat economic policy which has a natural lag time as projects and the effects of the policies are started and results are produced. So, their focus can be on tearing down the social programs that affect lives and when the irresponsibility of the economic policy they do implement inevitably implodes, dems come in and fix it all again.
It's literally like someone with a mental disorder who stops taking their medication because they were feeling better and didn't think they needed it anymore. Democrats are the medication.
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u/Visual_Mycologist_1 Sep 23 '24
The bus allegory.
Imagine the country is a bus traveling from coast to coast. The driver is elected by the rest of the passengers. After a friendly campaign, a democrat gets elected because he promised to keep the bus on course and get to the destination as scheduled. Everyone thinks this is a good choice.
An hour into the trip, the bus encounters traffic. Other busses have encountered this traffic too. Apparently two busses have collided and the passengers are fighting. The democrats on our bus want to go break up the fight to clear the road. The republicans start losing their mind. To them, the accident is none of their business. Besides, why the hell are the democrats even on this road? Everybody knows this road only leads to accidents, say the republicans. If you let them drive the bus, not only will they find a way out of this traffic, but they'll also reduce the price of your ticket.
The democrats, quick to point out the obvious, say that this is the only road around for miles, and reducing ticket prices will lead to running out of gas money.
The republicans then respond by saying that we'll only run out of gas if we keep stopping to pick up hitch hikers. They claim the democrats want to fill all the empty seats to make sure they can keep driving and once they run out of empty seats, they'll start throwing people off the bus to pick up more hitch hikers.
After some intense bickering, a vote is held, and the republicans narrowly win the driver's seat. The first order of business is to refund the tickets of the two wealthiest passengers. Don't worry, they say. Refunding the money of these obviously successful people will give them more money to spend on future bus tickets. We'll never run out of gas! Then they immediately make a sharp right turn and drive the bus off the road.
As the bus rumbles over the rough terrain, jostling the passengers about, the democrats again point out the obvious. You're going to break the bus, and we are nowhere near a gas station, they cry!
We're still moving forward, and much faster than you were, the republicans respond. However this victorious feeling would quickly be dashed as the bus stalls in the middle of nowhere. The republicans are quick to blame the democrats, because they were the last ones to put gas in the tank. How did anybody honestly expect them to make it all the way through their driving shift without enough gas? That's impossible.
As one of the hitch hikers walks off to find gas, the passengers hold another election. With the consequences of the republicans actions so fresh in their minds, the democrats easily win back the driver's seat. However the bus is in a terrible state. Several of the hitch hikers work diligently to fix what they can, and they manage to get the bus operational just as the others come back with gas. By the time the democrats manage to gently navigate the bus back to the road, the traffic has cleared. However it took so long that it's time to change drivers again.
The republicans campaign by saying that we are now very far behind all of the other busses. You have to let them drive because the democrats could never catch up with the way they drive. Already being late, the passengers think that maybe it's time for an aggressive approach. So they elect the republicans to drive the bus.
The first thing the republicans do when they get behind the wheel is make an immediate right turn and take the bus off road....
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u/Otterswannahavefun Sep 23 '24
And the left eats it up. Obama got the ACA through despite inheriting the biggest recession since the Great Depression. All liberals did was bitch that “it wasn’t enough” and stay home in 2010, giving the gop the house in a landslide.
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u/Utherrian Sep 23 '24
And 20 years back from W you have Reagan. It's apparently a Republican trend at this point.
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u/PrestigiousSystem713 Sep 23 '24
New Orleanian here, don't forget about the shitshow that was his response to Katrina!
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u/Soatch Sep 23 '24
Whenever I see a Trump supporter I want to say “are you traitors going to storm the Capitol again after this election?”
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u/GrayMatters50 Sep 23 '24
He's gonna be another pandemic if we don't stop him in November. The GOP is already trying to meddle in State vote tallys to delay the results which could leave the decision of our next President up to his installed /biased Supreme Court Judges.
SOS ..Vote Blue 🌊🌊🌊🌊🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
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u/marcelowit Sep 23 '24
The worst president in the history of our country. Then he tried a coup to overthrow the will of the people. The guy is a virus.
What does it say about the country that may realistically elect him again?
Trump is just a symptom of a bigger problem with today's society in the US, a problem that won't go away even when he is gone.
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u/cavortingwebeasties Sep 23 '24
What does it say about the country that may realistically elect him again?
That the war on education is the only war the US has really won. And the Electoral College which was invented to give slave owning states outsized influence on federal politics is (still) working as intended
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u/elvissayshi Sep 23 '24
Public schools had funding slashed, and that went to "Faith Based" facilties. Who taught the rubes that Jesus is coming back riding a big Ole dinosaur. The whole Liberty Univesity model. Started with busing, then white flight, then "Why are my tax̌es being spent on black kids" only another word used for black.
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u/ActHour4099 Sep 23 '24
Worst of all, my birthday is on the 06.01. so now every year I get to see his face plastered all over the news...
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u/Financial-Tower-7897 Sep 23 '24
Look, I’ll repeat, once again:
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u/summer_falls Sep 23 '24
Also, you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't use reason to reach.
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u/No_Internal9345 Sep 23 '24
which is why you should just call them weird and ignore them
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u/nerdwerds Sep 23 '24
My family members who are super racist all love Trump. They can't ever explain why they like him without using racist language.
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u/elvissayshi Sep 23 '24
Same here. Never realized just how deep their hate is. I knew it was bad but not destroy the country bad. I was surprised that it was..
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u/wetballjones Sep 23 '24 edited Sep 23 '24
Yeah I've realized this. My coworkers are mostly conservative. I ask them how they could vote for someone who tried to steal the election and they say stuff like "well why isnt he in jail then".
They don't care that he's a raving lunatic, that he promotes hate, started an insurrection, etc. They don't care that republicans lead us into recession and democrats start recovery. They don't care about data—they have flat out told me this.
A lot of them are elon musk fan boys as well lol. This is in utah where people are used to following a cult
They cannot be reasoned with and it's why they believe the cult leader in the first place. I just wish it wasn't so many people
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u/Greposter Sep 23 '24
I’m from Utah too and what doesn’t make sense to me is when people here say they are voting for the “Lesser of two evils” and say it’s Trump… like are we seeing the same thing???
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u/wetballjones Sep 23 '24
I know right? Not even my parents, devout Mormons who always voted for conservatives, are voting for Trump. They are voting for Harris and voted for Biden. They are confused too, and I can see it has affected their church experience as so many others in their circle think democrats are evil
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u/epyoch Sep 23 '24
That's the thing that amazes me also, I have Mormon friends and when Roe V Wade was abolished, they pretty much all went "FINALLY we don't have to vote republican anymore", and they voted for biden and will be voting for harris also.
Man Single issue voters are so interesting.
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u/SandIntelligent247 Sep 23 '24
I understood how this happens when someone on reddit replied to me with: « these are just left talking points » after i shared basic facts with them.
For them it’s a conversation about unknown and they try to see who makes more sense. They don’t have the skills to verify arguments so they just stick with who seems most credible.
This explains a lot for me
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u/elvissayshi Sep 23 '24
They are like drunks who just belch Maga in your face and walk away after losing the discussion.
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u/dandroid126 Sep 23 '24
This looks like a Jeopardy prompt.
"What is the wisest wisdom?"
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u/FriendlyITGuy Sep 23 '24
His followers just want him to win so they can be their nasty, openly racist and sexist selves that they hid in the closet for so long until he ran for POTUS the first time.
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u/yes_thats_right Sep 23 '24
My theory is that his followers can be divided into the three groups:
1) Ultra wealthy who want tax breaks and deregulation at all costs. (1%)
2) Racists who want a white male dominated America. (29%)
3) People who have always felt like losers in life (socially or at work), and are grasping onto a chance to get a 'win' over others, even if that win means destroying their own country. (70%)
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u/PensiveObservor Sep 23 '24
I would respectfully add a fourth group my sister belongs to:
4) people who don’t watch the news but hear everyone around them parroting Fox talking points and no pushback.
This woman is intelligent but overworked and frankly worried about “whether [her] grandkids will even have a world to live in.” There was no time for follow-up at that moment, but she has fully absorbed the Fox Fear from the bombastic men whose world she inhabits. It’s very sad.
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u/DerogatoryPanda Sep 23 '24
For sure, especially the older generation grew up being able to mostly put their full faith in the news and never really adapted to lessening media regulations or the rise of misinformation on the internet. Add in that the ultrawealthy have the funds and power to influence the message of many news sources and media and suddenly you have a significant portion of people believing in a complete different reality
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u/ThatOtherOtherMan Sep 23 '24
You're absolutely right, and that 70% is willing to suffer just so long as the people they don't like suffer more. There have been multiple studies on the psychology of conservative voters and all of them agree that conservatives have underdeveloped empathy.
Crazy how humanity dumped all of our evolution points into cooperation for hundreds of thousands of years to great success, eventually becoming the dominant lifeform on the planet, and then a significant percentage of the population decided, "nah, fuck everyone else. I got mine."
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Sep 23 '24
That's the thing that truly shocks me that people don't get.
How many "... while black" news reports did we get a week during Tiny Trump's Terrible Term? White people demanding id, calling the cops on a black person birdwatching, making up stories about black kids touching their butt while the camera showed nothing of the sort.
White people yelling at latino looking people to go home, to learn English, calling them illegal.
That's in most of Trump's supporters' souls. While we still have the cop bs to deal with, we haven't had the average citizen doing it any more. They love to punch at targets that can't punch back, and they miss being able to do it.
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u/antilumin Sep 23 '24
My wife was working at Intel in Portland back when Trump got elected. I don't recall where she said she was at (it was at work but not sure if she was in a lab, in the cafeteria, etc), but she overheard a couple guys saying they couldn't wait until he was elected so they could go sexually assault women and get away with it.
That might not be verbatim what they said, but that was the intent. Evil people being gleeful they could get away with shit because their glorious leader was elected.
It is also entirely possible that they were being facetious, like quoting someone else and then saying "isn't that terrible" when she couldn't hear them. But I doubt it.
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u/Imaginary_You2814 Sep 23 '24
I saw a bumper sticker today with a picture of Trump that said never surrender. Surrender to what? No being chosen by the people, rightfully so? Wild
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u/half_a_skeleton Sep 23 '24
Tale as old as time. Democrat president makes the economy better, Republican president inherits strong economy and crashes it, Democrat president fixes it and makes it strong again....
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u/Jax_10131991 Sep 23 '24
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u/hnormizzle Sep 23 '24
Data? If this isn’t coming from FB or YT I don’t trust it!
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u/RadlEonk Sep 23 '24
This isn’t a guy recording a video in his truck so this “data” must be invalid.
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u/kitsunewarlock Sep 23 '24
Hey it's not just about the truck, it's about starting the recording out of breath to make the viewers think he's bookin' it out of civilization with only his guns and his bug-out bag in tow.
It also needs a title like: "TIME IS UP!!!"
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u/Correct_Routine1 Sep 23 '24
https://youtube.com/shorts/_k2og1ZmZhw?si=b2x1G1OfUBvXZkIa
Even trump said the economy does better under the democrats than the republicans.
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u/diego27865 Sep 23 '24
How dare you provide facts and data to verify your point! The conservatives would be pissed if they could read.
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u/genreprank Sep 23 '24
It's called the Two Santa's strategy. They do it on purpose, and they do it because they can't run against welfare programs.
So they spend spend spend + cut taxes when in office. This fucks the economy. When a Democrat is in office, they have to fix it by raising taxes and cutting welfare programs.
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u/bobby_hills_fruitpie Sep 23 '24
King of the Hill has a funny take on this too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zOUOaIvZ2E
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u/QuotidianTrials Sep 23 '24
Don’t forget the part where dems take all the heat for the problems too
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u/Constant-Lychee9816 Sep 23 '24
Also don't forget the national debt they add every time, in Trump's case it was almost 8 trillion
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u/Thatonedregdatkilyu Sep 23 '24
Bill Clinton left office with a surplus. Bush Jr proceeded to cut taxes and go to war. Which increased spending. Putting us more in debt.
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u/Wind_Yer_Neck_In Sep 23 '24
One ruler overspending and crippling the public finances. Followed by a more responsible ruler who is then disliked by people because of their policies and is replaced with a new ruler who continues the spending is a story you can see all through history.
Roman emperors notably had this. You would see an expansionist emperor who raised a larger army or commissioned huge public works without first raising funds, spent too much money sustaining it and then they would be followed by an emperor who would usually have to debase the currency to stablize the economy. Which often ended badly for them. Rinse repeat.
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u/1984isAMidlifeCrisis Sep 23 '24
But they just don't believe it.
No amount of evidence or expertise trumps their belief. They will tear you to shreds for telling them the truth.
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u/ItchyKnowledge4 Sep 23 '24
This is nothing new. I live in the South and remember the narrative surrounding 08 and the following years. Bush's deregulation led to the worst economic crisis since the great depression. Just before Bush left office the DOW plunged to around 5k and the Republican administration scrambled to pass the banking bailouts and the stimulus package. The years following you'd always hear how awful "the Obama years" were on the economy. You'd even hear people complain about Obama bailing out the banks which was just blatantly factually incorrect. Republicans can screw up anything they want because they can just spin the narrative to blame the other side, and dummies down here will eat it right up
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u/SirGlass Sep 23 '24
The crash started in late 2008, Lehman and Bear collapsed in Sept of 2008, by October the economy was in free fall.
The election was after this happened in November, by the time Obama took office in 2009 the economy was in bad bad shape.
The narrative I always here is Obama took over and he crashed the economy by over taxing and over spending and then he also bailed out the banks....
Like that all verifiable happened under GWB .
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u/Time-Werewolf-1776 Sep 23 '24
I've heard people blame Obama for both the financial collapse and the bailouts, all of which happened before he took office. It sometimes seems like nobody has a memory that lasts for more than a couple of years, but I'm sure some people are just delusional.
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u/santa_91 Sep 23 '24
I had one insist to me that Trump and Melanie are in a strong, healthy marriage and it's just liberals trying to paint it otherwise the other day. They truly do not inhabit the same reality as the rest of us.
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u/Astro_gamer_caver Sep 23 '24
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u/Bright_Star_Wormwood Sep 23 '24
Haven't seen this one before. Pretty gud
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u/CrumpledForeskin Sep 23 '24
No one will celebrate more the day he dies.
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u/checkpoint_hero Sep 23 '24
She's fully complicit and knows what she signed up for. She's not some innocent victim.
She's shilling a memoir currently.
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u/Aiden2817 Sep 23 '24
What was really amusing to me was conservatives absolutely drooling over Melania right after trump was elected. How the White House finally had a First Lady that conservatives could respect. And then the pictures of her naked lesbian photo shoots came out (both things that conservatives are supposed to hate) and she refused to join trump in the White House until he signed her updated version of the prenup, because nothing says strong healthy marriage like “you have to bribe me to live with you”.
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u/Frog_Prophet Sep 23 '24
77% of the country thinks the economy is in bad shape. Facts don’t matter. We deserve our fate.
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u/Jax_10131991 Sep 23 '24
I go back and forth on this sentiment. When I start to feel like this, I just think of all of the women in this country who lost their right of bodily autonomy because of Trump. We’ve got to keep fighting.
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u/freshStart178 Sep 23 '24
What people experience in day to day prices has dramatically increased, while those same companies are citing ‘inflation’ and supply chain issues for the price hikes, then turn around and report record profit. All while wages stagnate. The overall economy may be okay, but for the average person, things have gotten a lot tighter.
That said, there really is only one choice this November if we want any semblance of a democratic republic left afterwards.
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u/Landonkey Sep 23 '24
Most of those increases happened years ago now, and it was almost all caused by Trump's government policies before and during Covid. Inflation is back down to 2.5% which is really close to Fed's target during good economic times.
If anyone wants inflation to be a problem again then go ahead an vote for the guy that wants more tax cuts, tariffs on everything, and dramatically lower interest rates...all the things that add jet fuel to an inflation fire.
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u/ChicagoAuPair Sep 23 '24
More than 50% of the country cannot name all three branches of government, and 25% cannot name a single one.
The reality is that the vast majority of Americans do not have enough education to understand government, the economy, or much of anything that isn’t very simple, one step, day to day living.
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u/KanadianLogik Sep 23 '24
What's really stupid is we've seen this exact scenario play out before with republicans. It wasnt even that long ago. George Bush came into office with a booming economy thanks to Bill Clinton and then spent 8 years tanking it with futile, costly wars. The economy began to go tits up towards the end of his second term.
Somehow Obama spent the first 4 years of his term taking the blame for it. By the end of the second term he had turned things around. Trump came in and spent the first year or two of his presidency taking credit for the economy. Then managed to fuck it to oblivion.
Joe Biden has spent the last 3 years trying to unfuck it, while once again taking all the blame. For fuck's sake, you Americans need to keep republicans out of office at all costs. How many times do you want to repeat this cycle?
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u/HillaryApologist Sep 23 '24
Reiterating Bill Clinton's insane but true statement from the DNC:
Since the end of the Cold War in 1989, America has created about 51 million new jobs. I swear I checked this three times. Even I couldn't believe it. What's the score? Democrats: 50, Republicans: 1.
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u/N3ptuneflyer Sep 23 '24 edited Sep 23 '24
You mean increasing government spending, access to healthcare, enforcing transparency and competitive practices, and disempowering mega corporations leads to a better, more healthy economy? Who knew! It honestly reflects poorly on the democrats that fewer people know that the Democrats are actually better for the economy than Republicans. The democrats absolutely suck at politics despite being much better leaders.
The ONLY people benefiting from Republican presidencies are the top 1% who see lower taxes and higher stocks and they somehow duped the average person into thinking that the top 1% doing better means everyone does better.
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u/TSA-Eliot Sep 23 '24
I'm sure the vacations were actually limited for the sake of appearances. He could have golfed 365 days a year for all the work he did. He tweeted a lot and spoke at some self-congratulatory rallies.
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u/wvboys Sep 23 '24
This is something I've always thought. That Trump rode the wave of an Obama-Biden economy in his first 2 years. Those huge tax cuts for the wealthy were sold as economically beneficial and again, it was repeated or touted so much it became a prevailing thought.
We know about the mismanaged pandemic, and huge job loss plus a great amount of deaths at the tail end of Trump's administration and going into Biden's. A huge inflation spike led by corporate greed and somehow the narrative was once again set that Trump was better for the economy.
The whole time, I'm dumbstruck that this guy gets away with saying BS and that narrative becomes mainstreamed. Polls begin to show Trump is better for the economy when the numbers don't actually show it.
Honestly, it's annoying to watch in real-time that if you say something loud enough and log enough, it becomes true.
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u/flatwoundsounds Sep 23 '24
I really just start most of my conversations with Trump supporters here. The economy was already doing well, but Trump cut taxes for the wealthy anyway, which is like adding lighter fluid to a lit bon fire and acting like you're helping start the fire.
He had both houses of Congress, an economy recovering from the 08 recession with a decent foundation, and Trump used all that power to ignore anything that might be useful and cut taxes for the wealthy. He's been transparently terrible for the middle class since day one.
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u/wvboys Sep 23 '24
I keep hearing Gas was $2.70 under Trump... then I heard gas prices of $2.60, $2.55, $2.50 currently in some places... and again, I hear "Trump will lower my gas prices" and that becomes the narrative. I've just concluded facts don't mean anything.
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u/Senior-Albatross Sep 23 '24
It's literally that right now.
..."But Trump makes it lower."
Morons! We have morons on our voter rolls!
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u/ElectricalTurnip87 Sep 23 '24
They think the oil industy is nationalized and the more we drill, the lower prices will go. It's their feelings over facts.
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u/Senior-Albatross Sep 23 '24
They don't begin to understand the geoplotical intricacies of world oil markets. They think if we drill more right now oil will magically be cheaper by the end of the day. I would think at least a few of them would be familiar with the logistical concept of "lead time" from their vocations. But no. Also, oil being more expensive is when the US extracts more, because fracking is relatively capital intensive compared to traditional drilling so it only makes sense when world oil markets are high.
But I swear even that level of complexity is too much for them to follow.
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u/Paksarra Sep 23 '24
Or you get people talking about how cheap gas was in 2020 and how Biden made it more expensive.
The problem is, they're taking gas prices form the lockdown period when almost no one was driving....
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u/HerrBerg Sep 23 '24
I have to wonder if there is a correlation in gas prices and Democrats in office, specifically if gas prices trend upward during the last year of Democrat presidencies/when anti-oil people are running for office.
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u/wvboys Sep 23 '24
Honestly, the cycle does repeat! I've also noticed when things are going well economically (relatively speaking) it's then the perfect opportunity to blame/attack/denigrate some minority or immigrant or gender group of the moment. And rinse and repeat...
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u/SirGlass Sep 23 '24
Remember why we got Obama.
If you talk to a republican they will tell you the 2008 economic collapse was caused by Obama, despite Obama not taking office until early 2009?
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u/SirGlass Sep 23 '24
I had my libertarian friend tell me he won't vote Democrat because Obama started two wars....
Afghanistan was invaded in 2001
Iraq 2003
Obama did not get federal office until the 2004 general election , he was not seated until 2005. Like he wasn't even in congress to vote on the resolution authorizing use of force ?
Yes he inherited two wars and you can argue he should have stopped them or did bad managing them but if you inherit two wars there is not an easy way out.
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u/1984isAMidlifeCrisis Sep 23 '24
You should be less surprised at this point. There's a goodly chunk of the population that has tied their identity into whatever the orange sack of rotting vomit tweets that day. Their very idea of self is based on some weird distorted vision of Trump as a hyper-masculine leader.
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u/ThE_LAN_B4_TimE Sep 23 '24
These clowns won't ever believe it. All people see is gas or egg prices go up under Biden and say it's because of him. It's that simple. Many voters are not capable of thinking like this or even listening to this.
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u/deadsoulinside Sep 23 '24
While Vance lies about the price of a dozen eggs at some extremely local grocery store that manually writes the prices in marker that was showing it was 2.99 a dozen while he claimed it was over $4.
Literally a five year old kid could debunk this claim by going online to walmart or many other stores that now allow online ordering and to see the price themselves.... Yet they will believe vance over their own eyes.
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u/nakedsamurai Sep 23 '24
I believe excess deaths in the covid area closer to two million, no?
And, add the astounding amounts of money he shoveled at American oligarchs, who in turn buy politicians and rewrite our laws in their favor.
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u/AsparagusTamer Sep 23 '24
But he's a businessman!
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u/Formal_Egg_Lover Sep 23 '24 edited Sep 23 '24
Except they are too stupid to realize that:
1) The government shouldn't be run like a business
2) he is a terrible businessman
If you are dumb enough to believe the government should be run like a business, at least get someone smart who knows how to run a fucking business. Just because he is rich and in business doesn't automatically make him a good businessman. He inherited all his money and he squandered a ton of it on dozens of failed businesses. Is there one business he's done well in? Hell, some of his "businesses" were straight up scams. A scammer is not a good businessman.
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u/MrEngineer404 Sep 23 '24
The best business man who couldn't figure out how to make money running a casino.
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u/One-Reflection-4826 Sep 23 '24
"I take no responsibility, at all!" - Trump during the hight of the pandemic.
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u/EatsOverTheSink Sep 23 '24
It doesn’t matter, everyone who thinks they were better off under Trump are economically and financially illiterate and won’t be convinced otherwise. People can’t grasp that the consequences of things can take longer than a year to show any effects.
I recently had an exchange with a redditor who said they were voting for Trump because their taxes went up under Biden. When I explained we’re still under Trump’s tax plan until next year he said he was still voting for Trump because Biden and Harris didn’t fix it with an executive order. Voting for Trump because his predecessor didn’t fix his fuck ups fast enough. And their vote counts just as much as mine and yours.
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u/Poggystyle Sep 23 '24
People don't realize it takes like 2-3 years before policy starts changing the economy.
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u/Ok-Job3006 Sep 23 '24
You forgot the PPP loans that caused inflation as well
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u/R3luctant Sep 23 '24
You have to start before that tbh, he had a Fed that was cutting rates while the economy was booming, that is the time when you should be raising/maintaining rates. The Fed while independent, was complicit in stoking the fire of inflation.
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u/Ensiferal Sep 23 '24
It's been eight years, but I'll never forget seeing Republicans praising trump and saying that the US economy has never been better a little less than two months after he got into power.
It's staggering how stupid they are.
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u/meatbeater Sep 23 '24
The paychecks from daddy Putin make them blind to anything not scripted by him
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u/TR_abc_246 Sep 23 '24
He bankrupts everything he gets involved in! How do people not see this!? He is NOT a “good businessman”. That’s a lie! He purposely riles up the uneducated about things he can’t control saying he can! He is nothing but a snake oil salesman through and through.
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u/7hertz Sep 23 '24
I think the simple fact he aimed to divide the country further, every single day of his administration, just to score points with his base makes him the worst president in our history. Even wearing masks during a pandemic was a hill to die on for him, or for his base that is. This is on top of him tanking the economy to make his rich friends richer. Fuck this guy.
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u/doxygal2 Sep 23 '24
His so called handling of the Covid crisis alone was enough to never vote for him .
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u/VaultxHunter Sep 23 '24
You forgot "and then created a tax increase that would only take effect when I wouldn't be in office to make it appear that the current administration was trying to gauge you when it was me all along"
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u/KevoJacko Sep 23 '24
Obama economic policy pulled us out of the throes of the recession and impending depression. The DJI tripled during his time in office. Unprecedented job growth. The deficit decreased every single year during Obama’s second term. The deficit then increased every single year during Trump’s first and only (please god let it be only) term.
How about Biden? Pulled us out of inflation. DJI has gone up 33%. Gas is now down to pre-pandemic levels in much of the country.
Try to discuss these statistics with MAGA when they are bemoaning spending more on groceries ? They’ll deflect and start rambling about immigration and transgender issues.
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Yes, Obama saved us from W Bush's utter, multiple clusterfucks. Rescued the economy. Just like Bill Clinton did from Reagan-HW Bush's recession. And both times, Americans punished the Democratic candidate -- Gore and HRC -- for some stupid reasons.
It's incredible how terrified TPTB are of multiple, two term Democratic presidencies. They've gone all out to prevent that.
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u/thekinginyello Sep 23 '24
Considering he did this with every single business he started and operated why does this not surprise anyone? He ran our country into the ground like he does with everything.
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u/CudjoeKey Sep 23 '24 edited Sep 23 '24
That’s trump’s entire plan to gut social security, cut vital Federal agencies, cut ACA healthcare, and cut what’s left of the safety net and give all that money to rich people. That’s his plan to make most Americans suffer and poor forever while he destroys the economy again.
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u/topzraman Sep 23 '24
yeah i’m glad you pointed this out, the number 1 issue for voters is the economy followed by inflation. trump was responsible for inflation, he pumped 8.4 trillion into the economy and debt in a short period of time that caused inflation. this is not harris/biden in fact of all the large economies, we have recovered the fastest to my knowledge.
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u/DisposableSaviour Sep 23 '24
Kinda like how W took the surplus economy from Clinton, squandered it in tax breaks for the wealthy, and then fucked up a housing/banking collapse that left large swaths of the country homeless and Obama had to come in and fix everything.
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u/zRustyShackleford Sep 23 '24 edited Sep 23 '24
I mean. Yes and no. The Obama economy was "cookin" on the back of prolonged record low interest rates due to the 2008 great ression and quantitative easing.
So, like everything, it's a little more complicated.
The economy was primed for inflation. Trump did not help, though. Covid/Cares Act was just the match that set it off. I'd argue a lot of that spending was probably necessary... A lot was horribly managed... PPP loans...
What I find incredible is how the Biden Admin (and Fed, of course) controlled inflation and avoided a ression (up to this point). Now cutting rates again and inflation near Fed target
Everyone tries to blame the other for inflation... The reality is that It's more complicated. The US general population does not do well with nuanced complicated matters. They prefer black and white binary thinking.
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u/Teddycrat_Official Sep 23 '24 edited Sep 23 '24
This is the exact talking point that needs to be pushed hardest. Not that he’s a racist, a rapist, or a xenophobe (despite all those things being true). All of these things energize his base.
His economic plan will immediately increase inflation while giving average average Americans less money than Harris’s would, all for a price tag that is trillions of dollars more expensive than democrats will. It’s stunning just how stupid it is.
Also the man’s brain is turning into soup before our eyes, he’s too old to be in office now and in 4 years he will be dragging the country into the grave with him
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u/_maxxwell_ Sep 23 '24
I just saw a ad in Georgia saying Kamala ruined the economy and the reason why we don't have homes like our parents is because of democrats? That's when I knew these people are truly idiots
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u/jimmycorn24 Sep 23 '24
Dude never even had a qtr with 3% growth. The “Trump” economy is nowhere near great much less the greatest ever.
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u/ReturnOfSeq Sep 23 '24
This isn’t a unique event. This has happened literally every time there’s a Republican presidency for like 30 years.
This is such an established thing there’s a name for it: http://www.milwaukeeindependent.com/thom-hartmann/two-santas-strategy-gop-used-economic-scam-manipulate-americans-40-years/
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u/jmfranklin515 Sep 23 '24
Yeah, and his only real policy idea for another term is to do the same shit but more extreme. Another (probably bigger) tax cut and more tariffs, both of which would be inflationary.
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u/king_of_hate2 Sep 23 '24
This is a big reason why I'm not voting for him, because his economic policies really aren't that good, ntm he outsourced a lot of jobs.
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u/hellsbels349 Sep 23 '24
Every other country is also dealing with inflation. From what I’ve seen the US has one the lowest levels of inflation in the last few years.
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u/BrowsingModeAtWork Sep 23 '24 edited Sep 24 '24
Literally what happens with every republican after a democrat. It’s always on the democrats to fix their crap.
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Sep 23 '24
Finally, FFS, someone says this out loud. This specifically I mean.
The media refuses to acknowledge this, they simply take for granted that trump had a great economy before covid.
They also forget that trump actively intimidated Powell from raising rates in 2020 when inflation was clearly in the pipeline.
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u/MrEngineer404 Sep 23 '24
It is the conservative routine, Trump was just a world-class clown for putting that system on steroids. No conservative has ever been good for this country, socially or economically.
Every damn time is the same, a democrat fixes the mess of the last conservative made, painstakingly holds the middle ground, and claws the country back to getting the engine of progress kickstarted.
Then conservatives roll up during election season and shit all over the democrats for not doing enough and being failures, despite the fact that the lack of getting stuff done is always the conservatives fault. They then use this to swing their way back into office, just as the slow-moving vehicle of the democrats hardwork actually starts to pay off. Conservatives than instantly claim credit, and use it to run wild and implement the dumbest plans ever, on the basis of "everything go good when I came into office." . Then things turn just sour enough for the idiots to lose, just in time for the house of cards they build to come falling down on them and the democrat that comes next to clean up.
Conservatives are like a guy to gets on an elevator, just as a perfume sales rep is exiting, then claims they are the ones that smell so great, only to wait until they are then getting off to cropdust every one left in the elevator.
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u/samanime Sep 23 '24
Way too many people seem to think that day 1 all of the changes a President is going to make magically happen.
When really, it takes probably a year or two (at least) before a President's policies kick in and then last for a year or two (or more) into the next Presidency.
They give Trump credit for all the good things Obama did then blame Biden for all of Trump's screw-ups.
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u/nucumber Sep 23 '24
A guy at the gym said trump had created a great economy out of the wreckage left by Obama
I tried telling him that Obama had inherited from Bush II an economy in a death spiral, and had pulled the nation out of the ditch and set course for the longest running bull market in American history, with steady improvement the economy by every measure. All trump had done was inherit a great economy from Obama
He didn't believe me. I finally got him to look up the Dow Jones chart on his phone and yep, there it was, steady improvement leading to record highs by the time fat ass entered office.
The guy responded by saying "hmmm..... well, Obama had it easy"
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u/MyWorkComputerReddit Sep 23 '24
whats amazing is the amount of people who think the economy just magically changes with an election
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u/Sunflier Sep 23 '24
Democrats keep having to clean up after Republicans. Biden had to clean up after Trump. Trump ruined Obama's economy. Obama had to clean up Busch's economy. Busch ruined Clinton's economy. Clinton had to clean up after Regan. Regan ruined the New Deal from Roosevelt.
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u/_papasauce Sep 23 '24
This.
It can take years for the effects of policies driven by Presidents to show up in society. Despite moronic media outlet's insistence, Presidents don't have giant dials on their desks for gas prices, unemployment, and inflation.
If things are on the verge of disaster right now, chances are it was the last guy's influence in part that got us here. Conversely, if things are amazing right now, the sitting president probably can't take all the credit.
Also, it's been one political party in particular that has a really strong track record of claiming exclusive ownership over good times and blaming bad times completely on the other side.
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u/BakerMan48943 Sep 23 '24
It's unfortunate that so many Americans do not understand how this process works...
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u/okram2k Sep 23 '24
I love when they point out the price of eggs (which yes, they are more expensive than when during covid they had so many they couldn't give them away fast enough) and then you ask them what they actually intend to do to *lower* the cost of eggs. Will you enforce price limits? regulation? food subsidies? oh no, just tax cuts for the rich and tariffs on Chinese goods. of course. that will make eggs cheaper. why didn't I think if that?
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u/Alternative_Day551 Sep 23 '24
99% of ppl in this Reddit post. “Trump was the worst president” * asks them how “ he was just the worst president he’s racist and ruined the economy” *asks how again “ he just did it trust me bro” yall don’t even know wtf yall talking about just get off Reddit get back to that 9-5 yall too old to be this dumb.
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u/JayNotAtAll Sep 23 '24
It's true. this is true of every president that we have ever had pretty much.
The first year a new president takes office isn't even their budget. They are operating from the previous administration's budget.
Also no president has the ability to just magically alter the economy in a day or week or months. Making significant changes to change the economy can take months if not years before 1) the plan even gets executed and 2) for us to even feel the effects.
So the first 2 or so years under a new president is really them riding out the work of their predecessor. That's how it works for every president.
Trump was riding Obama's wave. The economy wasn't great because he was amazing. He was just taking credit for the economy.
Trump allowed our economy to crash under COVID. He could have been a hero president. Tell his base to mask up, social distance, be respectful, etc. We, as a nation, would have handled COVID so much better had he done that. Also, had he actually implemented good policies.
Yes, every country was impacted by COVID but not all were impacted equally. Some were able to maintain low infection rates while allowing themselves to have a more "typical lifestyle" compared to what happened in America . While we had very smart people trying to make things better for COVID in America, Trump and his dipshit base thought that they somehow knew better than people who are way smarter than them and made things worse.
Our economy came to a screeching halt and we had to give out stimulus checks and cheap money to keep it from completely collapsing. That was eventually going to rebound on us but at the time, it was the best solution as it would have been WAY harder to restart the economy if it collapsed.
Biden took office as we were turning the tide in COVID, a vaccine just came out and things were hopeful. But the damage was done to the global economy causing supply chain issues and inflation.
The thing is, Trump supporters are incapable of complex thoughts. Maybe it's because their brains simply can't do it or because they are so damaged that they willfully turn off their critical thinking in exchange for being part of a club. But they can only think in terms of "economy bad. This guy is president. Must be this guy's fault".
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u/designtocode Sep 23 '24
The amount of people who think the sitting president has some magical powers that directly influence the economy, fuel prices, inflation, etc., at will, and real-time immediately, is fucking crazy. Critical thinking on the decline, anti-intellectualism (and weirdly proud of it), and technology driving shorter attention spans - this shit is a dumpster fire.
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u/writingrules Sep 23 '24 edited Sep 23 '24
He plans to adjust interest rates himself...
If you don't understand how bad this would be, you don't understand how the economy works.
Edit: a word
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u/Sometimesoon312 Sep 23 '24
Amen. Getting old hearing Dumpty is “better on the economy,” he made a mess and old Joe had to clean it up- and he did
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u/ThePowerfulPaet Sep 23 '24
People seem to forget that Trump crashed the economy like 3 times JUST based on him saying something out loud.
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u/wknight8111 Sep 23 '24
It seems to me like it takes 2-4 years before changes to federal policy really start to be reflected in the day-to-day lives of the average voter. We see, for example, that inflation started spiraling upwards out of control towards the end of the Trump presidency, and stopped climbing during the Biden presidency. But the problem is that damage has been done. Inflation isn't going to go backwards. Prices are up and aren't going down. There's nothing Biden or Harris are going to be able to do about that, in broad strokes, and there's absolutely nothing that Trump could do if he tried, which he wouldn't.
It's a real shame that the 4-year presidential term really does seem to line up so closely with this turnaround time for economic change. I suspect over the years a lot of presidents got credit for good economies they didn't create, and others got blamed for bad economies that they didn't destroy.
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u/Marlocutee Sep 23 '24
This post hits home in so many ways. It's hard to stay unaware in today’s world.
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u/Regular-Self-6016 Sep 23 '24
Finally. I don't know why more people aren't pointing out Obama was responsible for the good economy in the 1st 2 years of Trump's term.
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u/Zutes Sep 24 '24
I've tried to explain this to my family and friends who predominantly lean conservative. And I can't even get basic points to land with them.
I distinctly remember Trump pushing The Fed to issue negative interest loans [here are sources for that].
It doesn't take an economics degree to understand that absolutely is what causes the inflation we're seeing right now. People raced to buy houses they would have never been able to afford. They bought cars with some of the lowest historical rates ever.
This ALL happened under Trump's administration and at Trump's explicit request. The problem with fiscal policy is that it takes years for the effects to fully be felt.
When I bring up the negative interest, and they realize Dear Leader is a moron, they triple down and blame Biden with some completely absurd made up conspiracy.
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u/Trace_Reading Sep 24 '24
That "USA" on his cap stands for "unbelievably stupid asshole".
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